Kain Vs Link

Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont know about him only being able to do it with blood, that would not be logical, anything similiar to blood cells in size would be just as able to be Tked by Kain however, although his example in the games is blood. Is oxygen just as small as blood cells? I thot it was diffrent.

Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen is capable of it. Go Read that graphic novel ( I read it only 8 months ago myself before the movie) but now with hype you should be easily able to find it.

There is nothing to prove he uses his telekinesis though over the blood to get it that way, so nothing can NOT go as far to say Kain even has molecularkinesis. He does have Telekinesis though for sure. You probably can say that he doesn't control just the blood cells to be fair and that he is just controlling the more easily graspable full liquid and flow of the blood in the person. Though it could be he specifically reigns some sort of ability over blood in humans.

But yeah, any way.

Originally posted by Gumachi
How close does he has to be[or how close they have to be]to draw blood from them? And can he it only be done to humans? And can he escape it by teleporting?

And it was shown being done to other beings, things with blood in general. And almost everything thus far survives via blood in their body.

And yeah, Link would be able to escape it by teleporting if Farore's wind is able to be translated to an instant case, free spell, instead of to a set warp point, slow pain in the ass action.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Prove. It.

Augh, this is going to require a bwnr worthy amount of data collecting, so you had better give me your first born when I'm finished with it.

/Leavestoscourtheinternets

more than a screen, its one of those old games, its prob around 20-40 meters depending on the environment, although thats an estimation. Its done to all beings, not just humans and escaping it by teleporting...not really, the effect happens almost instantly, your blood sprays forth and as the name implies, showers the area in blood...so if the spell has inflicted you, your pretty much dead and Kain would have at least drank the blood meaning he would have Links or anyones powers already by the time he finds them again.

Stfu.

And being able to manipulate blood cells is not molecular in level, seeing as how cells are much larger than molecules.

Originally posted by Voyeur
It is on a molecular level. You can go down to manipulate DNA with in the cells, and then to atoms and molecules and so on. Down to where you control and manipulate the very fabrics and structures to what creates life. That is MOLECULARKINESIS, not matter manipulation, thought that is what you're doing I suppose. In a sense, yeah it is telekinesis but you're doing it to specific tiny based structures so it goes into it's own sub category and branch of ability.

Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen is capable of it. Go Read that graphic novel ( I read it only 8 months ago myself before the movie) but now with hype you should be easily able to find it.

There is nothing to prove he uses his telekinesis though over the blood to get it that way, so nothing can NOT go as far to say Kain even has molecularkinesis. He does have Telekinesis though for sure. You probably can say that he doesn't control just the blood cells to be fair and that he is just controlling the more easily graspable full liquid and flow of the blood in the person. Though it could be he specifically reigns some sort of ability over blood in humans.

But yeah, any way.

I already had those thoughts immediately and studied the videos. It's clear he would be able to do it at almost any given distance so long as the person is with in visible range (with limitations)

And it was shown being done to other beings, things with blood in general. And almost everything thus far survives via blood in their body.

And yeah, Link would be able to escape it by teleporting if Farore's wind is able to be translated to an instant case, free spell, instead of to a set warp point, slow pain in the ass action.

Yes but affecting DNA is an extra step more than the cell itself, lets say Kain is moving a blood cell, that doesnt mean he can specifically go deeper and effect its DNA, merely physically move the cells.

But the fact that is the only power he has that can do it must mean through the process of logical deduction, that is the ability he is using, if you watch the video where he is moving moebius and his items with TK, he is doing the same arm gesture when manipulating the blood as he does when using TK, I guess it doesnt really matter how hes doing it in the debate.

Well he would have to escape out of range, quite far so Kain cannot continue, but tbh having your blood moved in such a manor would prob upset your body system to a degree that would cause major problems anyway.

One thing he said is true though, go read Watchmen. Is great.

Isnt there a film or game of it coming soon or already out? reading material is harder for me to get than watching....

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Stfu.

And being able to manipulate blood cells is not molecular in level, seeing as how cells are much larger than molecules.

It is a microscopic level though. So small as to you can not see it, like bacteria and other micro sized things. Who is to say that one wouldn't just simply be able to keep going down the scale if that was indeed his power.

I think it looks more like some pure control over the blood stream flow of a person perhaps, imo and perception and it makes Kain a little less over powered. Still strong though.

The movie is out in theaters, but it is not half as good as the graphic novel, although there is no shame in that. The movie did get about as close to the original genius of Watchmen as it is gonna get though IMO.

So kain wins?

Don't much care to be honest.

dont lie

Lie? About what?

no, he hasn't won yet because I'm sure ScreamPaste will want to continue and at this moment I am helping in compile a list of what the master sword specifically is capable of doing by quoting word for word from canon.

I'll also then show what Ganon can do to others who don't hold such a weapon and then ergo prove that it makes Link immune too, if not already by the quotes doing so.

So, it could debunk that Kain could use this very powerful blood manipulation over Link to begin with and the fight will continue as thus. I really honestly need to train my Sheik some damn time lol and yeah. But give me some time.

and for sure the movie did a wonderful job in translation from the graphic novel. My favorite character, the Comedian, all his scenes were very superb and as close as accurate. There are of course time restrictions in a movie which led to no Black Freighter and Squid, but yeah, it's was great.

How much you actually care...

TGE hates Link I think. He has a mad boner for Ganondorf though it seems.

He wouldn't care how the match goes, and neither do I in most cases. We're not discussing my favorite characters and I don't think we ever will be. If so, then I'll have to lay down the hard core debating powers and show where it's at =P

Originally posted by Voyeur
I am helping in compile a list of what the master sword specifically is capable of doing by quoting word for word from canon.

Then please be swift, ime tired of ageing slowly while waiting for you to do this my creamed suger bun you....

Originally posted by Voyeur
TGE hates Link I think. He has a mad boner for Ganondorf though it seems.

He wouldn't care how the match goes, and neither do I in most cases. We're not discussing my favorite characters and I don't think we ever will be. If so, then I'll have to lay down the hard core debating powers and show where it's at =P

And truth be told I like Kain more than Link.

I like Kain, I like Link, I think Link would win in all honesty.

And Voy, your post is pretty much common knowledge, I used to lurk here when TGE was Dark-Jaxx and he "wants to like Link but can't forgive him for beating Ganon"

I still don't see how the swords plot busting properties need better outlining, how they work is open to speculation but that they do seems blatantly obvious to me. I'm doing the work to collect the info into one spot anyway. TGE should be grateful the Mastersword is the source of the PIS though =P

Alright, evidence of the sword's rediculous PIS abilities.

The sword's earliest confirmed appearance is in aLttP. Guess what, Ganon has the *entire* triforce to himself in this title. The sword here uses art VERY similiar to the magic sword in Zelda II's info booklet which came with the game cart, suggesting the art atleast, if not the idea, of the sword had been around for some time.

In it's earliest incarnation the Master sword could could destroy and repel evil, including reflecting back magical attacks from Ganon and Aghanim, as well as cut through magical barriers and the like. It had not yet become the fully formed PIS device it was to become, but the basic building blocks were already there. Firstly, because Link does not have a piece of the triforce, and the sword is hailed all through the game in various quotes as the only thing that can save Hyrule.

and it did, in a maddeningly PIS piece of PIS, Link won, but what explains this? How did Link overcome a fully powered up Ganon with the entire triforce? With the mastersword! And so it began..

The next time we see this magical plot blasting blade we've made the jump to OoT and some.. wierd thigns happen. One of the first events in the game as we're introduced to Gerudo form Ganondorf, who was in a nightmare Link had, is that he, with no piece of the triforce, cast a death curse on the Deku tree, a powerful gaurdian of the forest and "entrance to our world". [suggesting that the kokiri forest is a magical place indeed.] Now, Link quickly becomes a pain worthy of Ganon's note, collecting the stones Ganon wanted for himsef, but Ganon allows this to go on, findign a way to turn it to his advantage. If Link opens the door to the scared realm for him, why bother working himself? /mistake. He threw away his victory by easily prepubescent kill rigth there. THAT is the PIS that lost him every Zelda game ever as OoT is the first in the series that Ganon is in. [chronologicly]. Link goes on to get the master sword and the triforce is trisected.

Now Link comes back, and Ganon wants Link's piece of the triforce. At the end of the Forest Temple, Ganon banishes the boss to the gap between dimensions without even being on screen! hax. Link stands a few feet away like "lul,sucker" <--Why not him too?

Hell, why not a death curse?

LATER: Link has freed the sages and Zelda has revealed herself in the temple of time, giving Link the ligth arrows.. Then Ganon is like "*****, I'm not even on screen, but gimmeh your triangle" and traps Zelda in a magic diamond shaped pink bubble. Why not Link? He'd have them both! Full triforce, instant win. Cause Link's holding the damnable sword, imo. It was the only thing that could, Zelda had a piece of the triforce, lotta good that did her, and just like in aLttP, Link's plot device sword keeps him from gettign totally owned by Ganon.

Then, it gets better, Link runs into Ganon's castle, fights his way to the top of the centre tower, and faces Ganon.. who immediately tries to TK Link. He uses "dark magic" to blast Link, but Link simply braces himself, and is fine, nothing happens. Navi however, can't stand it, she's driven away... Why not Link? Why can he stand up to it? Master sword in his hand, he goes to work.

Here, the mastersword does what it did in aLttP, it reflects Ganon's magical attacks with a touch, and proves to be capable of actually harming the evil King[who plays a mean organ, I might add.]. Post fight, Ganon coughs up blood and admits he lost. [in my version it's red, not green, v1.0 gold cart ftw] then he starts yelling and TK'S THE CASTLE DOWN ONTOP OF HIMSELF. Waitwut? Why not just TK Link? Wierd. Hell, that death cuirse shit he used on the deku tree might have been cool, too.

Anyone else see what I see?

In TP, the sword reappears in it's most recent incarnation, except now we're granted a glimpse of what can happen if Link does not have the sword.. o: And it's not fair.

Zant, with only a fraction of Ganon's power TK's Link and effortlessly defeats him, Midna, and a light spirit without even moving. Then transforms Link into a wolf, permanently. Or something..

YouTube video

Link is forced to seek out the mastersword, which breaks the curse on Link before he even touches it. [read, aura! Link doesn't even need to touch it.]

when Link reaches the end of the game, and fights Ganon.. why doesn't he do this? It's PIS, but the PIS obviously has a swource. (badpunisbad.)