The Empire versus the ID4 Alien fleet......

Started by Utrigita5 pages
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am fairly certain that in the movie, when David is explaining how to give the mother ship a "cold", it is implied that the shields must be lowered first. Also as he and Hiller approach. When I get home tomorrow, I'll check and see.

Nope it isn't just checked. However I think the Enter hard Exit easy is probably right, recall when Steve backed the Fighter back into the firing ramp (perhaps the Shield was still ineffective) yet it made contact with platform, but the F-16 that struck the fighter during the initial battle was destroyed where the Fighter was fine so....

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again I'm not debating death star. Personally I think the Star Destroyers will be more focused on trying to keep alive, they doesn't know that the Beam fired by the City Ships has to be targeted in the middle in order for them to blow up and with those comming down low opening up on the way, they will be a distraction from the Mothership, well along with the many thousands of small ships flying around constantly hammering it.
Well, as far as we know, the city destroying beams are just that, and in no way will they be effective against a shielded star destroyer. Even if the beam would shred a star destroyer, the beam is always aimed down, and surely a half competent Moff or Admiral would figure out to stay outta the line of fire.

Yeah but only in that particular space, but that is however just my analyses on the case, I'm not a expert but having watched the scene again I would say that it's probably the way they do it, ore perhaps getting out is simply easier then getting in, again I have no idea.
TIE's are orbital craft, when they see the alien fighters being deployed, all they have to do is swarm.

Let's get one thing completely straight here RJ, and that is that the Fighters from the Alien side got Shield the Tie Fighters doesn't, so even if we assume that the Aliens just open their hangar door for them and welcome them inside (with Fighters poaring out) the amount of fire the tie fighters would need to lay down would be staggering not forgetting the fact that the Aliens actually fire back. And what exactly lead you to believe that a few tie Fighters can take out the entire Mothership?
Again, the Empire has so many TIE's it is unreal. TIE bombers, dude, TIE bombers.

Based on the Movies? I disagree, the Empire have in the movies never to my knowlegde nore in the EU used any kind of what I would call electronic warfare against a opponent.
OK, you saying a star destroyer or death star is like the same as Earth technology? The SW universe is full of technology that is FAR more advanced than what we possess.

They have men capable of building DEATH STAR'S, dude, surely finding a way around an opponents will be childplay for them.

I do yes, however I recall the first time where it seemed like the Fighters emerged regardless of the shield, unless you think that they would willing keep themselves open for attack for based on what I can see in the movie more then 10 seconds with enemies around? and the fighters would probably have emerged regardless.
It could be that somehow the craft can pass through the shields from the inside out, OR it could be that a small section of the shield was opened. Many possibilities. Whatever the case, the Empire would find and exploit it.

On a side note, look at this page, about halfway down on the right:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_series

TIE Mauler? wtf haermm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, as far as we know, the city destroying beams are just that, and in no way will they be effective against a shielded star destroyer. Even if the beam would shred a star destroyer, the beam is always aimed down, and surely a half competent Moff or Admiral would figure out to stay outta the line of fire.

Yes like even a half competent person would know that open one of the doors where the enemy is directly outside is simply stupid. But then again I saw that when the Helicopter tried to communicate with the Alien a bay was opened and it was simply shoot down from inside, I'm however not aware if it was simply a Fighter shooting ore if they have some kind of battery installetions they can use when they doesn't wish to deploy the entire fighter armada.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
TIE's are orbital craft, when they see the alien fighters being deployed, all they have to do is swarm.

Then it will be Swarm vs Swarm, imo in such a scenario the Aliens will come out on top. Again simply because of the shields.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Again, the Empire has so many TIE's it is unreal. TIE bombers, dude, TIE bombers.

Not exactly of any greater use in the current argument, sure they can bomb the Mothership and the City Destroyers but they wouldn't be very effective against the Fighters.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, you saying a star destroyer or death star is like the same as Earth technology? The SW universe is full of technology that is FAR more advanced than what we possess.

They have men capable of building DEATH STAR'S, dude, surely finding a way around an opponents will be childplay for them.

Sure they built the Death Star, and the Aliens created a beam that can level Washington DC in a single blast... I know the sheer size of destruction isn't compareble but pure technology wise they seems about equal, however nothing you have said so far concerning one of your tactics is how you are going to get the virus ore whatever it is you want to use to bring down the shield, uploaded inside, the fact that Star Wars Technology > Oure technology doesn't mean that, what we could figure out < what they can figure out. Remember that David only found their weakness because of 1. He had access to Fighter. 2. Because he discovered that they was using the satellits to delay orders between the ships.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It could be that somehow the craft can pass through the shields from the inside out, OR it could be that a small section of the shield was opened. Many possibilities. Whatever the case, the Empire would find and exploit it.

If the shield only react to when a outside object is trying to make contact then frankly no the Empire isn't going to find anything to exploit. But ultimately I don't see how the empire is going to win the first scenario, especially not if we assume that the Mothership have some kind of Shield too...

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yes like even a half competent person would know that open one of the doors where the enemy is directly outside is simply stupid. But then again I saw that when the Helicopter tried to communicate with the Alien a bay was opened and it was simply shoot down from inside, I'm however not aware if it was simply a Fighter shooting ore if they have some kind of battery installetions they can use when they doesn't wish to deploy the entire fighter armada.
Given the fact that we are not shown any laser cannons, it must have been a fighter.

Then it will be Swarm vs Swarm, imo in such a scenario the Aliens will come out on top. Again simply because of the shields.
OK...How many TIE's do you think the Empire has at it's disposal? All the star destroyers in the universe, not to mention various bases chocked full of TIE's, how many? There's a reason the Empire employs the twin ion engine. Low maintenance, due to the high number if fighters it employs. I am fairly certain that if the Empire unleashes it's full might upon the alien armada, the number of TIE's would overwhelm the alien fighters.

And again, we don't know how well an alien craft would hold up against non stop rapid fire laser blasts, not to emotion the fire from the start destroyers. Probably not very well.

Not exactly of any greater use in the current argument, sure they can bomb the Mothership and the City Destroyers but they wouldn't be very effective against the Fighters.
I just covered this.

Sure they built the Death Star, and the Aliens created a beam that can level Washington DC in a single blast... I know the sheer size of destruction isn't compareble but pure technology wise they seems about equal, however nothing you have said so far concerning one of your tactics is how you are going to get the virus ore whatever it is you want to use to bring down the shield, uploaded inside, the fact that Star Wars Technology > Oure technology doesn't mean that, what we could figure out < what they can figure out. Remember that David only found their weakness because of 1. He had access to Fighter. 2. Because he discovered that they was using the satellits to delay orders between the ships.
Dude, the sheer fact that the Death Star can blow up a damn planet with a single blast is all the evidence needed to prove the Empire wins. Planet...city......planet bigger!!!

And I keep telling you, the Empire would certainly have far more options than "giving the mother ship a cold." It's a no brainer that the SW technology is more advanced than ours, so it's also a no brainer to assume that the Empire would have more than one option.

If the shield only react to when a outside object is trying to make contact then frankly no the Empire isn't going to find anything to exploit. But ultimately I don't see how the empire is going to win the first scenario, especially not if we assume that the Mothership have some kind of Shield too...
The first scenario certainly works in the alien's favor, but 2 and 3, the Empire pwns them, hard.

Also, the ID4 alien fighters would never catch the TIE's. We see the ID4 alien fighters chasing down F18's, which have a top speed of Mach 1.8 (1188 mph.) TIE's fly MUCH faster than this. Proof? Lookit this scene from ROTJ:

YouTube video

At 7:22, look how fast Wedge's X Wing is going. And the TIE's go at least that fast.

Also, at 2:07, dude, look at how many star destroyers are coming out of hyperspace. And at 2:09, look at the TIE's, dude, I cant even count how many.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Nah, just reality.

You put a galactic empire (key words, galactic empire) Vs. a bunch of ships. Might as well make a Superman Vs. Wolverine thread.

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
😖hifty:

Which brings us full circle to:

Originally posted by Robtard
Another SW masturbation Vs. thread. Joy.

You done?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You done?

I'm not the one masturbating over SW, so are you done?

On that note, it's safe to say Utrigita is masturbating over ID4, yes?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
On that note, it's safe to say Utrigita is masturbating over ID4, yes?

I'm not following the debate, as you made a one-sided fight, as noted.

If he's arguing that the ID4 team has a chance against the SW empire in all it's entirety, he probably is.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, the Empire is free to use any and all means to win. No holds barred, dude.

BTW, a Star Destroyer is far more powerful than the mid size alien ships, they are STAR destroyers.

"Star Destroyer" is its name, and NOT it's function. A Star Destroyer canNOT destroy a star...at least, not how the death star can destroy a planet. I'm sure that if a Death Star fired into a small star enough, it could disrupt the star and cause it to fizzle out...millions or billions of years into the future...who knows....but it is not a literal Star Destroyer. A hydrogen bomb's explosion has greater energy and "destructive force" than the blaster cannons, laser cannons, and turbolasers on the Star Destroyers. No, they could not take out a mid sized invasion ship from the Aliens. Out classed, out gunned by those alien ships. Those shields are more than powerful enough to withstand any laser cannon fire that can be thrown at it. Actually, not even close to being able to put a dent in those shields.

Since you clarified the virus problem, then what I'm talking about doesn't even matter. One stupid virus upload disables the whole alien fleet, and it's game over by sheer numbers from the Empire.

^ Actually, they have to get inside the mothership, close to the the control core to upload the virus. The humans succeeded cause they used one of their own ships to gain access and remain undetected.

Anyway, I'm sure the aliens have installed the latest windows critcal patches by now.

Having built 2 death stars, the odds are good that the empire might have something matching the level of technology of a 1995 Mac laptop and therefore:

Scenario A: Empire rapes those stupid puppets

Scenario B: Same as scenario A, but after wards some of the stormies order pizza.

Scenario C: Variation on scenario A, but with 2 buttons being pressed by a couple of captains on the respective deathstar gunneries, before one of them yawns, scracthes his ass and goes back to sleep.

Scenario D: Its a Will Smith movie, so Will Smith blows up both Death Stars and goes home for a barbeque, just cause its Will Smith..

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
[B]Having built 2 death stars, the odds are good that the empire might have something matching the level of technology of a 1995 Mac laptop

Nah, have you seen the crappy TV displays they use? 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Having built 2 death stars, the odds are good that the empire might have something matching the level of technology of a 1995 Mac laptop and therefore:

Did you factor in the sheer idiocy of the Empire, though? I.E. build a massive doomsday weapon, yet leave it susceptible to being destroyed by a single shot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
"Star Destroyer" is its name, and NOT it's function. A Star Destroyer canNOT destroy a star...at least, not how the death star can destroy a planet. I'm sure that if a Death Star fired into a small star enough, it could disrupt the star and cause it to fizzle out...millions or billions of years into the future...who knows....but it is not a literal Star Destroyer. A hydrogen bomb's explosion has greater energy and "destructive force" than the blaster cannons, laser cannons, and turbolasers on the Star Destroyers. No, they could not take out a mid sized invasion ship from the Aliens. Out classed, out gunned by those alien ships. Those shields are more than powerful enough to withstand any laser cannon fire that can be thrown at it. Actually, not even close to being able to put a dent in those shields.

Since you clarified the virus problem, then what I'm talking about doesn't even matter. One stupid virus upload disables the whole alien fleet, and it's game over by sheer numbers from the Empire.

Well, I was talking about concentrated fire from several star destroyers at once, sorry if I wasnt clear on that. That, in addition to a blast or two from the death stars, surely the shields will at the very least weaken.

Originally posted by Placidity
^ Actually, they have to get inside the mothership, close to the the control core to upload the virus. The humans succeeded cause they used one of their own ships to gain access and remain undetected.

Anyway, I'm sure the aliens have installed the latest windows critcal patches by now.

So in your opinion, the only chance the Empire has is to use the virus?