What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

No space/air support, just ground troops (for the empire)

The empire sends an invasion force w/:

500,000 stormtroopers
1000 AT STs and tanks
100 AT ATs
Darth Vader is commander

Would they succeed?

This might seem like an easy win for the empire, but let's look at it.

Our toops would FAR outnumber them.

Our toops seem to be more accurate (stormtroopers couldn't hit Han Solo at close range), our guns have a faster rate of fire (blasters don't seem to fire at that fast of a rate), our armor actually does something (although it wouldn't really help vs. the blasters since they're heat), and our soldiers are overall better trained (a squad of stormtoopers w/rifles and armorcan't beat a smuggler, a princess and a farmboy w/ pistols)

Their AT STs actually got knocked back by a catapult 😆 and got tripped by a stone age trap.

We could just use the same tactic as the snowspeeders. Or...

NUKES

Vader is powerful, and would certainly help in a small skirmish, but come on. In a huge war, one man that's powerful doesn't really help that much unless if he's superman or something; the jedi aren't really all that helpful (in the clone wars) IN TERMS of just head on fighting because there's only 10,000 of them.

They would rape us.

Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
[b]They would rape us. [/B]

Even if all else fairs, would defenses do they have from a nuclear attack? Remember, no space fleet or anything for them.

Vader would Force Push a nuke right back at us=Game Over.

-EDIT- Plus i'd take their side.

WTF. America wins.

Nuke the Empire. Most of us win.

Earth would lose, badly. I would aslo defect to the empire, and one day join the rebellion.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Earth would lose, badly. I would aslo defect to the empire, and one day join the rebellion.

Seems it's only you and me Vorpal, on a side note how did the Empire manage to get all that stuff on earth without air support? I woulda thought they'd of stayed around to extract there troops again.

I'd go to Dagobah and teach Yoda how to play chess. And that is my powerful contribution to this thread.

Srsly though, I don't think it's fair that they can't use air support while we can. Just drop some napalm and nukes on the Stormies, while making sure Vader is not around.

Ahem.

The Empire targets the nuclear powers first, splitting their forces around the globe, simultaneously attacking and deterring the nuclear powers from burning the entire planet.

Assuming of course the Empire aren't a pack of retards, they'll bring some AA with them, neutralizing our air forces along with jamming our satellite/radar capabilities.

No known conventional armament can withstand laser-based weaponry of Imperial caliber, rendering our superior number factor rather useless.

And since the Vs. forums take in to consideration the EU, stormtroopers aren't the bumbling morons of the movies, but are instead rigorously trained elite shock troops (despite Ush's zeal), our "superior training" will fall by the wayside. Especially in the wake of lasers. Take that Kevlar.

Also considering that the some 200 nations of this planet do not cooperate as well as we'd all like, chances are someone *cough*France*cough*Canada* is gonna sell someone out. Also considering that only the U.S., China, North Korea, and Russia have the military capabilities to dent Imperial numbers (ala prolonged air attacks, naval defences etc.) the rest of the world doesn't really count.

In the end, we may be able to hold out long enough to dwindle and divide the Imperials to the point that a war of attrition may arise in which case we WILL lose considering the immense likelihood of defection. The nuclear option leaves everyone dead ONLY if the Imperials do not possess or do not acquire a means to stop/protect themselves from it.

I didn't even factor in Vader.

You're so pessimistic. Good to know we can count on you when there's an alien invasion.

Sarcasm btw, I agree with you on most points.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ahem.

The Empire targets the nuclear powers first, splitting their forces around the globe, simultaneously attacking and deterring the nuclear powers from burning the entire planet.

Assuming of course the Empire aren't a pack of retards, they'll bring some AA with them, neutralizing our air forces along with jamming our satellite/radar capabilities.

No known conventional armament can withstand laser-based weaponry of Imperial caliber, rendering our superior number factor rather useless.

And since the Vs. forums take in to consideration the EU, stormtroopers aren't the bumbling morons of the movies, but are instead rigorously trained elite shock troops (despite Ush's zeal), our "superior training" will fall by the wayside. Especially in the wake of lasers. Take that Kevlar.

Also considering that the some 200 nations of this planet do not cooperate as well as we'd all like, chances are someone *cough*France*cough*Canada* is gonna sell someone out. Also considering that only the U.S., China, North Korea, and Russia have the military capabilities to dent Imperial numbers (ala prolonged air attacks, naval defences etc.) the rest of the world doesn't really count.

In the end, we may be able to hold out long enough to dwindle and divide the Imperials to the point that a war of attrition may arise in which case we WILL lose considering the immense likelihood of defection. The nuclear option leaves everyone dead ONLY if the Imperials do not possess or do not acquire a means to stop/protect themselves from it.

I didn't even factor in Vader.

Also, we [America, ha, not you!] have F-22s, so we win even harder.

Originally posted by Eminence
The OP renders your strongest point null and void ["No space/air support"] and RotJ takes care of the rest. Ewoks and logs took down AT-STs and stormtroopers, that much is canon.

Also, we [America, ha, not you!] have F-22s, so we win even harder.

We COULD have had the Avro Arrow in the early 50's, but nooooooo.

Which Vader we talking about? Pre/post suit. I don't think we have a metal up to the caliber the Imperials do Vader will just blow through wall after wall. If they shoot a missile at him he could always try to stop it and turn it around.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He didn't say no anti-aircraft either, just no air support.

TIEs suck, anyway.

And we have genetically modified teddy bears living in a gumdrop forest? *giggles obscenely*

We COULD have had the Avro Arrow in the early 50's, but nooooooo.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ahem.

The Empire targets the nuclear powers first, splitting their forces around the globe, simultaneously attacking and deterring the nuclear powers from burning the entire planet.

Assuming of course the Empire aren't a pack of retards, they'll bring some AA with them, neutralizing our air forces along with jamming our satellite/radar capabilities.

No known conventional armament can withstand laser-based weaponry of Imperial caliber, rendering our superior number factor rather useless.

And since the Vs. forums take in to consideration the EU, stormtroopers aren't the bumbling morons of the movies, but are instead rigorously trained elite shock troops (despite Ush's zeal), our "superior training" will fall by the wayside. Especially in the wake of lasers. Take that Kevlar.

Also considering that the some 200 nations of this planet do not cooperate as well as we'd all like, chances are someone *cough*France*cough*Canada* is gonna sell someone out. Also considering that only the U.S., China, North Korea, and Russia have the military capabilities to dent Imperial numbers (ala prolonged air attacks, naval defences etc.) the rest of the world doesn't really count.

In the end, we may be able to hold out long enough to dwindle and divide the Imperials to the point that a war of attrition may arise in which case we WILL lose considering the immense likelihood of defection. The nuclear option leaves everyone dead ONLY if the Imperials do not possess or do not acquire a means to stop/protect themselves from it.

I didn't even factor in Vader.

There are only 500,000 of them, and there's quite a bit of nuclear powers nowadays. They would be stretching their forces way too thin.

Well, I didn't mention AA, but I guess it would be fair to let them have some. But even so, there would be a limited amount of them, so they can't shoot down EVERY jet they see.

No, but the range of the blaster rifles don't seem to be that high, and we would FAR outnumber them.

If the fate of the entire planet was at stake, then most civilized countries would cooperate.

Aren't the movies "G canon"? And doesn't that factor out whatever canon that the EU is? And even so, How do you justify a squad of stormtroopers losing to a farmboy, a princess and a smuggler? Besides, they're still FAR outnumbered, and their armor can't stop bullets if it can't stop rocks.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
There are only 500,000 of them, and there's quite a bit of nuclear powers nowadays. They would be stretching their forces way too thin.

Well, I didn't mention AA, but I guess it would be fair to let them have some. But even so, there would be a limited amount of them, so they can't shoot down EVERY jet they see.

No, but the range of the blaster rifles don't seem to be that high, and we would FAR outnumber them.

If the fate of the entire planet was at stake, then most civilized countries would cooperate.

Aren't the movies "G canon"? And doesn't that factor out whatever canon that the EU is? And even so, How do you justify a squad of stormtroopers losing to a farmboy, a princess and a smuggler? Besides, they're still FAR outnumbered, and their armor can't stop bullets if it can't stop rocks.

500,000 laser wielding stormtroopers, 100 AT-ATs and 1000 AT-ST is a LOT to face even if your tech and knowledge is FROM Star Wars. 5 AT-AT and a few STs broke through rebel tenacity, laser canons, snowspeeders, and Luke Skywalker's sabotage. Everything the rebels had>what we have. Oh and then there's Vader.

Stormtrooper armor is vulnerable at the joints and is pierced (as far as I've seen) by blaster bolts only. Bullets are gonna have a harder time than blaster bolts. Range isn't gonna be much of a factor here unless we have hundreds of thousands of soldiers duking it out ala Geonosis in the deserts... which there are none in the major populated/strategic areas in the nuclear nations.

"Most." Your word. Not gonna mean much when tanks are vaporized by the Imp armor, buildings are blown out easier than the shield generator on Hoth, and Vader's TKing anyone that dares enter his view. Big enough show of strength and all the Frances and Italys of the world will bow down--namely all of South America, Africa, Indonesia, Australia, Canada, Eastern Europe. And if the nuclear powers enforce these regions' loyalty to Earth then... hey go ahead and split your forces and cause internal strife.

Again, the Vs. forum takes the Eu in to account, and in the EU, the stromies are elites. PIS aside, movie logic can have the protagonists as even more skilled than them. This was always a problem with the stormtroopers, there's too many discrepancies between the movies and EU.

Oh and just in case we REALLY get in to semantics, I'll point out now that we'd be facing 100 legions of fictional characters and Darth freaking Vader. Without firing shot, I'll kneel before Zod.

You're lame.

Again, F-22s win. All Imp armor falls to bombing runs, piece of cake.

Originally posted by Eminence
You're lame.

Again, F-22s win. All Imp armor falls to bombing runs, piece of cake.

What makes you think that the hulls of AT-AT armor would even be penetrated by our weapons? Those things alone would tear us new holes.