What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Darn! My computer wasn't working...

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If you had the keys to the U.S. stockpile, would you nuke Russia, knowing they'll nuke you in turn--Imperials or no? Assuming Vader and his commanders aren't retards, they'll neutralize our nuclear deterrent by attacking the nuclear nations directly, resulting in one Nuke power being too scared to either nuke themselves or provoke another. And seeing as how all the nuclear powers are the military threats, the Empire won't waste time attacking Ethiopia.

500,000 laser wielding stormtroopers, 100 AT-ATs and 1000 AT-ST is a LOT to face even if your tech and knowledge is FROM Star Wars. 5 AT-AT and a few STs broke through rebel tenacity, laser canons, snowspeeders, and Luke Skywalker's sabotage. Everything the rebels had>what we have. Oh and then there's Vader.

Stormtrooper armor is vulnerable at the joints and is pierced (as far as I've seen) by blaster bolts only. Bullets are gonna have a harder time than blaster bolts. Range isn't gonna be much of a factor here unless we have hundreds of thousands of soldiers duking it out ala Geonosis in the deserts... which there are none in the major populated/strategic areas in the nuclear nations.

"Most." Your word. Not gonna mean much when tanks are vaporized by the Imp armor, buildings are blown out easier than the shield generator on Hoth, and Vader's TKing anyone that dares enter his view. Big enough show of strength and all the Frances and Italys of the world will bow down--namely all of South America, Africa, Indonesia, Australia, Canada, Eastern Europe. And if the nuclear powers enforce these regions' loyalty to Earth then... hey go ahead and split your forces and cause internal strife.

Again, the Vs. forum takes the Eu in to account, and in the EU, the stromies are elites. PIS aside, movie logic can have the protagonists as even more skilled than them. This was always a problem with the stormtroopers, there's too many discrepancies between the movies and EU.

Oh and just in case we REALLY get in to semantics, I'll point out now that we'd be facing 100 legions of fictional characters and Darth freaking Vader. Without firing shot, I'll kneel before Zod.

Surely then, Iran could beat the world. All they have to do is to "go after the nuclear powers" and then the world won't cooperate w/eachother and they bring AA w/them to stop the air support and voila!

In other words, "going after the nuclear powers" is too vague. How are they supposed to?

And the stormtroopers got knocked unconscious (maybe even killed) by ROCKS. In the end, they got beaten by stone age ewoks.

Originally posted by Captain REX
What makes you think that the hulls of AT-AT armor would even be penetrated by our weapons? Those things alone would tear us new holes.

1. Nukes

2. Snowspeeder tactics (only w/jets)

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Darn! My computer wasn't working...

Surely then, Iran could beat the world. All they have to do is to "go after the nuclear powers" and then the world won't cooperate w/eachother and they bring AA w/them to stop the air support and voila!

In other words, "going after the nuclear powers" is too vague. How are they supposed to?

And the stormtroopers got knocked unconscious (maybe even killed) by ROCKS. In the end, they got beaten by stone age ewoks.

1. Nukes

2. Snowspeeder tactics (only w/jets)

I didn't know we had jets with a rear mounted towcable on! Wow and we haven't used it in other situations around the globe what a waste of resources. If they use nukes There won't be a world to save.

Originally posted by mattatom
I didn't know we had jets with a rear mounted towcable on! Wow and we haven't used it in other situations around the globe what a waste of resources. If they use nukes [b] There won't be a world to save. [/B]

We could easily just attach towcables on.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
We could easily just attach towcables on.

The rear of our jets are strong enough to cope with the weight right?

That and a never tried before exercise is going to happen, delegations on whether it'll work or not will last years.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Darn! My computer wasn't working...

Surely then, Iran could beat the world. All they have to do is to "go after the nuclear powers" and then the world won't cooperate w/eachother and they bring AA w/them to stop the air support and voila!

In other words, "going after the nuclear powers" is too vague. How are they supposed to?

And the stormtroopers got knocked unconscious (maybe even killed) by ROCKS. In the end, they got beaten by stone age ewoks.

1. Nukes

2. Snowspeeder tactics (only w/jets)

A legion of stormtroopers (best troops my ass) were ambushed by a pack of indigenous natives the Emperor had overlooked. In a forest. Supported by a rebel strike team and a Wookiee. Stand before a military council and advise them that their soldiers should dress up like bears and hide in Central Park. Then we can watch them get vaporized by the AT-ATs.

All kinda leaves you wondering how stumbling buffoons in plastic armor are the elite shock troops of a galaxy-spanning empire.

Oh, and as for the snowspeeder thing: no jet plane in existence can travel slow enough to turn as quickly as the speeders, towing a cable behind them, while dodging turbolaser blasts, Vader's TK, and the side of the terrain.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

Oh, and as for the snowspeeder thing: no jet plane in existence can travel slow enough to turn as quickly as the speeders, towing a cable behind them, while dodging turbolaser blasts, Vader's TK, and the side of the terrain.

Yeh Lucien decredited the snowspeeder bit, alot better than me.

Vader has the power of what - about 50 stormtroopers? AT MOST (and this is really stretching it) 100. So having Vader on your side is like having +100 troops (irrelevant in the grand scheme of things), discounting Vader's "morale boost" and tactical command. Does he know battle meditation?

HE may not but he knows how to throw things back at their sources mhm bombs/missiles anyone. Hey you never specified which Vader this is, could be pre Mustafar Vader. = Slightly more than a 100 stormtroopers.

And besides, the imperials will have SERIOUS supply/food/fuel problems. Plus, what if every nation equips every at least semi healthy man and woman and tells them to fight? That would be about a billion (correct me if I'm wrong) people! Each stormtrooper would have to face 2000 people. Even if the people are unarmed, the stormtroopers alone would lose.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And besides, the imperials will have SERIOUS supply/food/fuel problems. Plus, what if every nation equips every at least semi healthy man and woman and tells them to fight? That would be about a billion (correct me if I'm wrong) people! Each stormtrooper would have to face 2000 people. Even if the people are unarmed, the stormtroopers alone would lose.

Why would you make a versus thread when you're absolutely positive one side would win ?

You hold a grudge against the Empire ?

Okay using your OWN quote a spear was unable to pierce their armour. 2000 Unarmed civillians. Automatic blasters. Imperials would have that.

Originally posted by mattatom
Okay using your OWN quote a spear was unable to pierce their armour. 2000 [b] Unarmed civillians. Automatic blasters. Imperials would have that. [/B]

Even so, these civilians would at least have a hunting rifle or something, and if a rock could hurt stormtroopers...

When did I say that a spear couldn't pierce their armor (not that it can)?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Why would you make a versus thread when you're absolutely positive one side would win ?

You hold a grudge against the Empire ?

Generally, when people take a side in a debate, they're positive that their side would win.

I thought that generally, when people start a versus debate they made it because they don't really know for sure which side would win so they call on other people's opinions for this.

Even if the people are unarmed, the stormtroopers alone would lose.

Surely then, Iran could beat the world. All they have to do is to "go after the nuclear powers" and then the world won't cooperate w/eachother and they bring AA w/them to stop the air support and voila!

That statement about Iran was sarcasm.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
That statement about Iran was sarcasm.

Clearly. It was also ridiculing (or trying to) the idea that the Empire could simply 'go after the nuclear powers' in order to win. You found the idea to be poorly thought out so you rejected it. You chose to do so on suspect grounds though. The Empire is far stronger than Iran, even with such a low number of troops. Your analogy, no matter how sarcastic, falls apart under the most cursory examination. Do try again, won't you?

Originally posted by Eminence
The OP renders your strongest point null and void ["No space/air support"] and RotJ takes care of the rest. Ewoks and logs took down AT-STs and stormtroopers, that much is canon.

Also, we [America, ha, not you!] have F-22s, so we win even harder.

That really made me hate that film.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Even so, these civilians would at least have a hunting rifle or something, and if a rock could hurt stormtroopers...

When did I say that a spear couldn't pierce their armor (not that it can)?

Generally, when people take a side in a debate, they're positive that their side would win.

Your "Vader= Xnumber of troops" thing is warped. Seeing as how these would be troops with lightsabers and the Dark Side...

And your "Arm every civilian" thing is warped too. Consider: Civilians don't "take up arms" even in the worst of scenarios. Case in point, 6 million Jews could have seriously hindered the German army, instead they allowed themselves to be shepherded, numbered, and killed. Now instead of Nazis, imagine 500,000 plastic-coated men from outer-space, armed with laser guns, 60-foot walking death-mobiles, and a man capable of tossing a mob around in the air like rag dolls (he's also scary to look at).

If every militarily-threatened nation FORCED their civilians to fight, they'd expend resources just doing that, nevermind shattering their people's trust in them. F*ck, if the government told me to "fight or we'll shoot you ourselves" then I'd be defecting to the Imperials with as many secrets as I can carry. Civil conflict amongst your enemies is BRILLIANT----can you imagine if America had to fight its own people while ALSO fighting the Japanese and Germans?

And the whole supply problem thing... once every E-11 is out of ammo, every heavy blaster and repeating cannon is drained---you pick up the weapons of your dead enemies and keep shooting. You take the food of said enemies. This won't be like Barbarossa; the Imps will be facing people the world over who will be unwilling to destroy their only lifeline.

Seriously, do you think that half a million stormtroopers, hundreds of AT-ATs and a bloody 1000 STs all under VADER's command (circa RoTJ I'm assuming in accordance with all the mentioning of it) will be going down lightly? In my own head I'm thinking that YOU think that everything will be happening in a forest like on Endor, or in a desert ala Geonosis. But even those examples pale in comparison to these numbers YOU offered up. Even if Earth WINS, the Imps would have the last laugh. The destruction such a war of attrition would cause... and a nuclear war! Imagine! Every Imp dead at the cost of us dieing with them.

There are several things that hinder the empire:

1. they don't know about the planet their on
2. how can they "attack the nuclear powers?" they don't have ships with them, and the countries could very well just have all their ships out in sea (out of reach) and burn all of the non military ships. The nuclear powers are on opposite sides of the world
3. they have no transportation other than their feet and vehicles.
4. they have limited ammo, fuel, food and water
5. they have no long ranged weaponry, making their only defense against artillery and balistic misiles (not necesarily nulcear) Vader force pushing them back; but would if you send a TON at them at once? It's not like as if he could stop ALL of them
6. Every time they capture a city, they have to leave forces behind in order to keep order. But there's only 500,000 of them, and there's a LOT of cities in the world. Sure, they don't have to capture every last one, but they at least have to take the major ones. But some of those major ones have a big population, so they can't just leave behind 10 stormtroopers.

An AT ST stumbled after getting hit by a catapult. Imagine what a hit from a tank cannon would do to it. Its range also appears to rather low, and it got tripped over by a rope. They won't really be a threat.

Stormtroopers got knocked out by rocks. Because of this, it only takes one hit to at least knock out each stormtrooper, so all you have to do is to surround each stormtrooper w/5 or so soldiers (and we outnumber them). At least one bullet is going to hit them. And, each stormtrooper won't have to face 5; they'll probably have to face odds of 3:1 in EVERY encounter. The stormtrooper shoots at one soldier (and probably misses given that they can't hit Han Solo after a gazillion tries) and IF they hit then the other 2 just shoot the stormie. And if they miraculously win that engagement, then they have to face another fresh, full power force while they will be tired and short on supplies.

OK, so maybe you can't use towcables against the AT ATs at first, but I'm pretty sure there would be a way to beat them; 100 of them alone won't win the war alone, especially w/the supply contraints (I doubt that the AT ATs run on gas, and I doubt they'll find the fuel that drives them on our planet) and the fact that most ships can't carry them (if they somehow find a ship)

And no, they WONT go down lightly, but 500,000 men aren't taking down a world of 6 billion.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
There are several things that hinder the empire:

1. they don't know about the planet their on

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

2. how can they "attack the nuclear powers?" they don't have ships with them, and the countries could very well just have all their ships out in sea (out of reach) and burn all of the non military ships. The nuclear powers are on opposite sides of the world
3. they have no transportation other than their feet and vehicles.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

4. they have limited ammo, fuel, food and water

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

5. they have no long ranged weaponry, making their only defense against artillery and balistic misiles (not necesarily nulcear) Vader force pushing them back; but would if you send a TON at them at once? It's not like as if he could stop ALL of them

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

6. Every time they capture a city, they have to leave forces behind in order to keep order. But there's only 500,000 of them, and there's a LOT of cities in the world. Sure, they don't have to capture every last one, but they at least have to take the major ones. But some of those major ones have a big population, so they can't just leave behind 10 stormtroopers.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

An AT ST stumbled after getting hit by a catapult. Imagine what a hit from a tank cannon would do to it. Its range also appears to rather low, and it got tripped over by a rope. They won't really be a threat.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

Stormtroopers got knocked out by rocks. Because of this, it only takes one hit to at least knock out each stormtrooper, so all you have to do is to surround each stormtrooper w/5 or so soldiers (and we outnumber them). At least one bullet is going to hit them. And, each stormtrooper won't have to face 5; they'll probably have to face odds of 3:1 in EVERY encounter. The stormtrooper shoots at one soldier (and probably misses given that they can't hit Han Solo after a gazillion tries) and IF they hit then the other 2 just shoot the stormie. And if they miraculously win that engagement, then they have to face another fresh, full power force while they will be tired and short on supplies.

OK, so maybe you can't use towcables against the AT ATs at first, but I'm pretty sure there would be a way to beat them; 100 of them alone won't win the war alone, especially w/the supply contraints (I doubt that the AT ATs run on gas, and I doubt they'll find the fuel that drives them on our planet) and the fact that most ships can't carry them (if they somehow find a ship)

And no, they WONT go down lightly, but 500,000 men aren't taking down a world of 6 billion.

You're silly. The Empire has the technological advantage as well as the disciplinary one. They have no civilians to protect and no long-term consequences for their actions. As such, they are free to commit atrocities as needed while the rest of the world must be careful not to step on each others' toes. Empire takes this.