What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You just claim that it's a spite because of me and yet for a long time you argued in favor of the empire. Did you run out of arguments?

I beg to differ. Did you see anybody arguing here that the Empire would conquer Earth with the limitations your setup includes? No? I wonder why. What people argued here - in favor for the Empire - was the strength of their attack vehicles, armors and weapons in comparison to that of modern day Earth.

Despite of that, your scenario is still a stupid. Let me just point out, why this is the case.

a)
The first thing that the Imperials do before an invasion would be to scan the entire planet (which can be done in the matter of seconds). Despite of that, you denied the Imperials informations, intelligence and navigation in this fight. That doesn't make sense.

b)
The second thing the Imperials would do, before landing, would be massive jamming of all electronical signals. There would be no Radar, TV, Radio working and so nobody would be aware of where the Imperials would start the fight and neither could anybody expect a fast reaction due to lack of communication. You assumed that Earth is perfectly aware of anything the Imperials would do and react with regular efficiency. That doesn't make sense.

c)
They would land rather close to their mission objectives (targets) rather then in the middle of nowhere. You assume, that they drop their invasion force in the middle of nowhere, without gathering information previous to that fight. That doesn't make sense.

d)
Let's just face it: The Empire wouldn't start an Invasion with anything short of a system army. A system army in the Empire has, roughly:

1,2 Million Stormtroopers
600,000 additional men (tech officers, spies, diplomats)
100,000 repulsorlift vehicles
25,000 heavy vehicles (such as AT-ATs)

So let me just tell you, what you've taken away from them here: More than 50 % of the regular troops, all support troops, all repulsorlift vehicles and more than 90 % of the heavy vehicles.

In fact, there would be no Stormtrooper walking around on the open field. They will at least move around on speeder-bikes. That means, in a conventional battle-situation (on a battle field) the Imperial Repulsorcrafts (up to 750 kph fast) will run circles around every enemy army and slaughter them from all sides while the above mentioned jamming would prevent the use of WMDs against the Empire. Hell...even if you want to shoot an ICBM on the Imperials: Those ground forces will move with speed of at least 60 kph (AT-ATs = slowest moving vehicles). If you launch an ICBM at them they will be 30 kilometres away before that thing even impacts.

Under this conditions - which is really just removing the air support - the Imperials would pretty much be able to win that battle. If you add air support (fighters only), they'd stomp Earth pretty much.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I beg to differ. Did you see anybody arguing here that the Empire would conquer Earth with the limitations your setup includes? No? I wonder why. What people argued here - in favor for the Empire - was the strength of their attack vehicles, armors and weapons in comparison to that of modern day Earth.

Despite of that, your scenario is still a stupid. Let me just point out, why this is the case.

a)
The first thing that the Imperials do before an invasion would be to scan the entire planet (which can be done in the matter of seconds). Despite of that, you denied the Imperials informations, intelligence and navigation in this fight. That doesn't make sense.

b)
The second thing the Imperials would do, before landing, would be massive jamming of all electronical signals. There would be no Radar, TV, Radio working and so nobody would be aware of where the Imperials would start the fight and neither could anybody expect a fast reaction due to lack of communication. You assumed that Earth is perfectly aware of anything the Imperials would do and react with regular efficiency. That doesn't make sense.

c)
They would land rather close to their mission objectives (targets) rather then in the middle of nowhere. You assume, that they drop their invasion force in the middle of nowhere, without gathering information previous to that fight. That doesn't make sense.

d)
Let's just face it: The Empire wouldn't start an Invasion with anything short of a system army. A system army in the Empire has, roughly:

1,2 Million Stormtroopers
600,000 additional men (tech officers, spies, diplomats)
100,000 repulsorlift vehicles
25,000 heavy vehicles (such as AT-ATs)

So let me just tell you, what you've taken away from them here: More than 50 % of the regular troops, all support troops, all repulsorlift vehicles and more than 90 % of the heavy vehicles.

In fact, there would be no Stormtrooper walking around on the open field. They will at least move around on speeder-bikes. That means, in a conventional battle-situation (on a battle field) the Imperial Repulsorcrafts (up to 750 kph fast) will run circles around every enemy army and slaughter them from all sides while the above mentioned jamming would prevent the use of WMDs against the Empire. Hell...even if you want to shoot an ICBM on the Imperials: Those ground forces will move with speed of at least 60 kph (AT-ATs = slowest moving vehicles). If you launch an ICBM at them they will be 30 kilometres away before that thing even impacts.

Under this conditions - which is really just removing the air support - the Imperials would pretty much be able to win that battle. If you add air support (fighters only), they'd stomp Earth pretty much.

If I WERE to add in those things, then it would be a spite against earth and then people would be like "oh how come you wasted our time with a spite thread you must have a grudge against earth"

a) which is why I changed my mind and said that the Empire DOES know about earth; to be fair. I changed my mind, and yet you still claim that it makes no sense?

b) Once again, if they did, then it would be TOO easy, and we don't want a spite thread.

c) why do people do Revan runs a gauntlet (or something like that) wo/any rest? Surely he would stop to rest before going to the next round if he's fighting Bane/Yoda/Mace/Luke! Again, these are all hypothetical what if situations, and most of the time they aren't logical; why is Yoda fighting Bane??? They're 1000 years apart! Why do Revan vs Dooku threads? They're 2000 years apart and couldn't fight!!!!!

d) Why do "LOTF Luke vs Yoda and Sidious" threads then? Surely Luke wouldn't be stupid enough to take them on without support! Again, these are hypothetical what ifs. What about the NJO Luke vs 10 Shadow guards thread from before? Surely Luke wouldn't combat so many elite force sensitive guards without support!

And if the Empire is several hundred possibly even thousand years into the future (in terms of tech, since they're really in the past), then even with these limitations shouldn't they stand a chance? If modern USA were to invade medieval earth w/these limitations, they'd STILL probably win.

If you took away the ability of people of different era's fightinf your taking away 90% of the combatants away at a time. It'd be too boring too quickly. And then the site would die.

Originally posted by mattatom
If you took away the ability of people of different era's fightinf your taking away 90% of the combatants away at a time. It'd be too boring too quickly. And then the site would die.

...what?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

c) why do people do Revan runs a gauntlet (or something like that) wo/any rest? Surely he would stop to rest before going to the next round if he's fighting Bane/Yoda/Mace/Luke! Again, these are all hypothetical what if situations, and most of the time they aren't logical; why is Yoda fighting Bane??? They're 1000 years apart! Why do Revan vs Dooku threads? They're 2000 years apart and couldn't fight!!!!!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
...what?

Originally posted by mattatom
My previous post was directed at that

Exactly. Sometimes, realism has to be compensated in order to not make this site boring. Therefore, it would be cheap to say "oh you HAVE to give the Empire at least so and so vehicles and so and so stuff even though it makes it a spite we can't make it not realistic" well this entire forum is technically unrealistic given that we're talking about fictional characters.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Exactly. Sometimes, realism has to be compensated in order to not make this site boring. Therefore, it would be cheap to say "oh you HAVE to give the Empire at least so and so vehicles and so and so stuff even though it makes it a spite we can't make it not realistic" well this entire forum is technically unrealistic given that we're talking about fictional characters.

Apart from that i'm afraid i'll have to afree with you, heh this place kills time between 'leisure breaks'.

Originally posted by Eminence
Can this thread die now please?

Originally posted by Eminence
Can this thread die now please as I have to fly over Essex and napalm it all.

Fixed.
QFT.
Sure 😄

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If I WERE to add in those things, then it would be a spite against earth and then people would be like "oh how come you wasted our time with a spite thread you must have a grudge against earth"

a) which is why I changed my mind and said that the Empire DOES know about earth; to be fair. I changed my mind, and yet you still claim that it makes no sense?

b) Once again, if they did, then it would be TOO easy, and we don't want a spite thread.

c) why do people do Revan runs a gauntlet (or something like that) wo/any rest? Surely he would stop to rest before going to the next round if he's fighting Bane/Yoda/Mace/Luke! Again, these are all hypothetical what if situations, and most of the time they aren't logical; why is Yoda fighting Bane??? They're 1000 years apart! Why do Revan vs Dooku threads? They're 2000 years apart and couldn't fight!!!!!

d) Why do "LOTF Luke vs Yoda and Sidious" threads then? Surely Luke wouldn't be stupid enough to take them on without support! Again, these are hypothetical what ifs. What about the NJO Luke vs 10 Shadow guards thread from before? Surely Luke wouldn't combat so many elite force sensitive guards without support!

And if the Empire is several hundred possibly even thousand years into the future (in terms of tech, since they're really in the past), then even with these limitations shouldn't they stand a chance? If modern USA were to invade medieval earth w/these limitations, they'd STILL probably win.

And Nai's list points out that you still were spiteful (perhaps unintentionally so, but you should know by now at least). I'm gonna take a leap of Buddhist faith and say that you were, and ARE woefully ignorant of this area of the mythos. It's the benefit of the doubt, can't say I'm not generous.

If your thread specifications had followed exactly what Nai provided, it would be spite. If your thread specifications were as you DID make them, it's spite. We're not looking for either-or, we're looking for moderation. All or nothing is easy, moderation... that's a disiprin.

E.g. Give the Empire a scenario whereby a downed Star Destroyer crash landed on Earth, the last thing it having done was scan the planet and jam our satellites. Situated near the U.S.-Mexcio border, the contents of the ship are all intact, it's just immobile, giving the Imps a protected base of operations. Can the 36,000 strong crew and Vader take on the U.S. military? Don't miss an all new episode, on FOX.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Stop using one-on-one threads as examples. There is a difference between two or three combatants and the military conquests of a million-man army.

And Nai's list points out that you still were spiteful (perhaps unintentionally so, but you should know by now at least). I'm gonna take a leap of Buddhist faith and say that you were, and ARE woefully ignorant of this area of the mythos. It's the benefit of the doubt, can't say I'm not generous.

If your thread specifications had followed exactly what Nai provided, it would be spite. If your thread specifications were as you DID make them, it's spite. We're not looking for either-or, we're looking for moderation. All or nothing is easy, moderation... that's a disiprin.

E.g. Give the Empire a scenario whereby a downed Star Destroyer crash landed on Earth, the last thing it having done was scan the planet and jam our satellites. Situated near the U.S.-Mexcio border, the contents of the ship are all intact, it's just immobile, giving the Imps a protected base of operations. Can the 36,000 strong crew and Vader take on the U.S. military? Don't miss an all new episode, on FOX.

On FOX jeez, noone would watch it then. I'd watch it anyway sounds awesome.

Originally posted by mattatom
On FOX jeez, noone would watch it then. I'd watch it anyway sounds awesome.

*cough*Ahem.

This will be live action; James Earl Jones as Vader, Mel Gibson as his gruff but admirable second-in-command, Christian Bale as the heroic GI captain, Robert Downey Jr. as his cynical/comical sergeant, and James Cromwell taking up the role of President once again. If I can keep Lucas at bay, I'm a shoe-in for the Oscars.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Same. And I mean it this time, no saying I will then clicking on to it and seeing a CGI Yoda take down a group of the most retarded AI ever to be conceived.

*cough*Ahem.

This will be live action; James Earl Jones as Vader, Mel Gibson as his gruff but admirable second-in-command, Christian Bale as the heroic GI captain, Robert Downey Jr. as his cynical/comical sergeant, and James Cromwell taking up the role of President once again. If I can keep Lucas at bay, I'm a shoe-in for the Oscars.

Well I'd nominate you for that. Also the random PoW the Empire caught: Introducing Moi!

Brilliant plan.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
If I WERE to add in those things, then it would be a spite against earth and then people would be like "oh how come you wasted our time with a spite thread you must have a grudge against earth"

How so? Let me make it clear: The Earth advantage can only lie within numbers not with technology. Even if you let 2 million Imperials land on the planet, they'd still be outnumbered by some armies.

a) which is why I changed my mind and said that the Empire DOES know about earth; to be fair. I changed my mind, and yet you still claim that it makes no sense?

You changed your mind how exactly? You said the Empire does know about the planet and - despite of that - you located them in the middle of Mexico. So, in short, changing your decission had - apparently - no consequences beyond "Oh. Now the Imperials where the cities are that they can't reach according to my setup". Bravo.

b) Once again, if they did, then it would be TOO easy, and we don't want a spite thread.

This is coming from the person who went "Oh. Well. The Imperials don't get air support. First thing Earth does: Nuke them into oblivion". And you complain about sensor jamming making this too easy? Lmao.

c) why do people do Revan runs a gauntlet (or something like that) wo/any rest? Surely he would stop to rest before going to the next round if he's fighting Bane/Yoda/Mace/Luke! Again, these are all hypothetical what if situations, and most of the time they aren't logical; why is Yoda fighting Bane??? They're 1000 years apart! Why do Revan vs Dooku threads? They're 2000 years apart and couldn't fight!!!!!

Apparently, you didn't get the point. It's not about the unrealistical situation. It's about the bias in the creation of the thread. If I'd make a thread saying: Darth Vader right after his fight with Kenobi (no legs, one arm, burned) VS XYZ, you'd see people throwing the same complaints in like they do here - there would be no contest.

d) Why do "LOTF Luke vs Yoda and Sidious" threads then? Surely Luke wouldn't be stupid enough to take them on without support! Again, these are hypothetical what ifs. What about the NJO Luke vs 10 Shadow guards thread from before? Surely Luke wouldn't combat so many elite force sensitive guards without support!

See above.

And if the Empire is several hundred possibly even thousand years into the future (in terms of tech, since they're really in the past), then even with these limitations shouldn't they stand a chance? If modern USA were to invade medieval earth w/these limitations, they'd STILL probably win.

Lmao. What a comparison. Something compareable would be this: 500,000 US Soldiers invade medieval Europe in order to conquer it. They aren't allowed to use their advanced communication technology, don't have any air units and just a few tanks who's operation radius is limited due to lack of fuel. Each of the soldiers has just standard equipment (no additional ammunition). Goal: Conquering the entire known world.

I'd say that they won't win this because sooner or later they would run out of fuel and ammo, while being confronted with millions upon millions of footsoldiers, armored knights and so on, which would have fortified positions (castles, greater cities) to defend themselves against the invasion force. Would the USA still win? I don't think so.

Borbarad - the Empire would have to fight Russia, Britain and China at the same time. 1.2 millions and support in the U.S. alone doesn't make any sense. Russia, Britain and the Chinese would send reinforcements and turn U.S. soil into a blood bath for the Empire.

Nearly forgot - the empire doesn't have JACK BAUER!

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

E.g. Give the Empire a scenario whereby a downed Star Destroyer crash landed on Earth, the last thing it having done was scan the planet and jam our satellites. Situated near the U.S.-Mexcio border, the contents of the ship are all intact, it's just immobile, giving the Imps a protected base of operations. Can the 36,000 strong crew and Vader take on the U.S. military? Don't miss an all new episode, on FOX.

when'll it be up? I'll download it off torrent and distribute illegally. I'll make millions!

OK, here's a scenario:

A huge super star destroyer called Lucien, the largest in history that is almost the size of the death star, comes to earth carrying countless millions of ready stormtroopers and vehicles followed by several smaller ships to protect it. Unknown to the empire however, the rebels managed to secretly sabotage the ship with bombs, and also jammed their sensors/jamming devices/etc AFTER the imperials did a second check of them to make sure that they're OK. So the fleet goes to earth, and everybody obviously notices it since it's so big. Then, the bombs go off and the star destroyer crashes, it's humongous size coupled with several nukes that the earthlings launched taking the fleet with it. After it crash lands, the only survivors are Vader and the army I listed. They then go on to continue to finish their mission, because Vader wants this planet in order to track down one named George Lucas who is rumored to have the power to alter the events of the star wars galaxy. Quite a bit of supplies survived the crash.

Please don't ask how they got into the future (long time ago in a galaxy far far away...) cause then you should ask everyone who makes a "Bane vs Revan" thread how the two could meet when they're a thousand years apart.

And Nai, not having communications/knoledge of the earth is NOT equivilant to not having your limbs. If so, then that means the the empire can't beat a planet hundreds of years behind it without them, which is pathetic.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
OK, here's a scenario:

A huge super star destroyer called Lucien, the largest in history that is almost the size of the death star, comes to earth carrying countless millions of ready stormtroopers and vehicles followed by several smaller ships to protect it. Unknown to the empire however, the rebels managed to secretly sabotage the ship with bombs, and also jammed their sensors/jamming devices/etc AFTER the imperials did a second check of them to make sure that they're OK. So the fleet goes to earth, and everybody obviously notices it since it's so big. Then, the bombs go off and the star destroyer crashes, it's humongous size coupled with several nukes that the earthlings launched taking the fleet with it. After it crash lands, the only survivors are Vader and the army I listed. They then go on to continue to finish their mission, because Vader wants this planet in order to track down one named George Lucas who is rumored to have the power to alter the events of the star wars galaxy. Quite a bit of supplies survived the crash.

Please don't ask how they got into the future (long time ago in a galaxy far far away...) cause then you should ask everyone who makes a "Bane vs Revan" thread how the two could meet when they're a thousand years apart.

And Nai, not having communications/knoledge of the earth is NOT equivilant to not having your limbs. If so, then that means the the empire can't beat a planet hundreds of years behind it without them, which is pathetic.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Please don't ask how they got into the future (long time ago in a galaxy far far away...) cause then you should ask everyone who makes a "Bane vs Revan" thread how the two could meet when they're a thousand years apart.

Duh Revan froze himself in carbonite...the Revan which died was a clone.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You've resorted to pettiness and absurdity. I accept your resignation.

What? You wanted a scenario, so I gave you one. It's actually not THAT far fetched with the exception of the fact that the empire is invading earth. (and no offense to the Lucien thing, it wasn't an insult or anything)

And see how you insult me again? You seem to insult me even though I'm haven't insulted you other than trying to get you to stop and be a good sport/debater/whatever.