Ewoks were PIS? That must be MAJOR PIS then. VERY major. And here are some other feats that the "elite shocktroopers" have (are they all PIS? This happens 90% of the time so how can the 10% be the "normal"😉
A large amount of stormtroopers get pwned by Han, Luke and Leia
Stormtroopers get fooled by mind trick, showing that they're weak minded
Stormtroopers almost never seem to use cover
2 stormtroopers got beaten by ANH Luke w/a pistol
Etc...
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A large amount of stormtroopers get pwned by Han, Luke and Leia
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Stormtroopers get fooled by mind trick, showing that they're weak minded
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Stormtroopers almost never seem to use cover
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
2 stormtroopers got beaten by ANH Luke w/a pistol
Etc...
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I said that the "stormtroopers" can be different divisions
The support personal is additional personal without combat training, roughly 50 % as many as the actual fighting force (in addition to that).
So without repulsorlift vehicles they cannot win? In that case, our weapons are better than theirs, the only advantage that they have is their repulsorlift vehicles because apparently it's a spite to not include them
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One must love you way to come down with conclusions. So because my PC is faster than yours, I'm the better driver? Equally stupid conclusion. No. They wouldn't just lose because they don't get repulsorcrafts (how about reading my posting before replying, huh?). They'd lose because they would - according to you - get nuked instantly...Got that now? Anything else would do nothing to them.
So without electronic jamming they cannot win?
See above.
So without air support they cannot win? They're supposed to be super advanced, and yet they can't defeat us primitive earthlings without air support?
See above.
ALL relevant techs? They still have ATATs, lasers and goldy durasteel, all they don't have in this battle in terms of tech that is truely significant is space/air support and jamming devices/sensors/etc.But back to the topic, how does the empire win?
I will call you out on this one again: You don't assume any battle happening. You assume: "LOLZ Imperials get nuked instantly and die" and then ask who would win. THAT IS BOARDER-LINE IDIOTIC Got that now?
Nukes can probably destroy AT-ATs. So can big ropes.
Where were those AT-ATs destroyed exactly? And yes: You would just need durasteel ropes which are not available on earth and then need aircrafts that can navigate through their legs with speed of 500+ kph without getting hit.
Stormtroopers better trained? Then explain why a legion of the BEST stormtroopers got beaten by a small group of rebels and some ewoks.
Simple explanation: They weren't beaten by the Ewoks.
Look at the freaking fight. The Ewoks get owned by the Stormtroopers after their initial suprise attack (several sources mention that the Imperials tore entire Ewok villages down). The Rebels (and therefor Ewoks) just won, because of Chewie taking over the AT-ST. Otherwise, they would have been killed.
LOL a blaster does way more damage than a Nuke????? Then tell me how Leia only got slightly injured when hit by a blaster. If she got hit by a Nuke, she and a good portion around her would be history. You still haven't addressed how elite stormtroopers got beaten by stone age ewoks. And oh yeah, our weapons can't phase their armor? The same armor that got destroyed by logs?
See above + previous postings. If you don't want to read, you can just STFU and then GTFO.
OR...are you just joking to be annoying? No offense, but most people do that once they've run out of arguments.
And you've run out of brains, which is - for no reason - assuming that you once head some grey cells. Now they appear to have vanished. You may want to search for them in Noobyland. Gideon might help you with that - he's searching for 3.5 years of wasted time there.
Ewoks were PIS? That must be MAJOR PIS then. VERY major. And here are some other feats that the "elite shocktroopers" have (are they all PIS? This happens 90% of the time so how can the 10% be the "normal"😉A large amount of stormtroopers get pwned by Han, Luke and Leia
Let me see. They get owned by two force-sensitive beings (probably equipped with the strongest potential ever)? Did you miss the fact that nine year old Anakin could see into the future and therefor react with mind-blowing speed, general not archiveable by regular humans. So no surprise that they get taken down by Luke and Leia. And Han? The same Han Solo that was trained by Imperials and quickly rose through the ranks of an officer before becoming a living legend as a Smuggler? The guy that survived shoot-outs with Boba Fett, who is a better trained and more experienced Clone of Jango Fett, that Mace Windu referred to as "deadliest man in the Galxy". Really. How could that happen? 🙄
Stormtroopers get fooled by mind trick, showing that they're weak minded
So would every human being not being force-resistant. Go check the source material. And I don't see how this would affect this "battle" here?
Stormtroopers almost never seem to use cover
If "almost never" translates into "always" when you convert it back from English into Moron, that might be the case. They don't use cover when there is no cover to use or while they are charging enemies. Indeed: A surprising revelation.
2 stormtroopers got beaten by ANH Luke w/a pistol
Etc...
See above. The Death Star got beaten by ANH Luke with two rockets. Really. He is - even at that time - practically a super human being, given his strong connection to the force, even if he doesn't use it in a controlled fashion.
So 1 AT-ST controlled by Chewbacca beat the several AT-STs + stormtroopers? Don't they have high tech communications devices that would have made them realize that the vehicle was hijhacked?
They might be force sensitive, but that doesn't give them the ability to defeat an army of troops if they were well trained, given the fact that Leia had NO jedi training and Luke got very little. And how come you didn't bring this up until now? You kept on saying that they could've won had it been PIS, and now you've changed your mind. And Han being well trained does not mean that the Stormtroopers would MISS frequently, which is what they did. How well trained the enemy is doesn't really affect how well YOU shoot.
Jabba the Hut was immune to it, so was the former owner of Anakin when he was a slave (forgot name). Anakin also says that is ONLY WORKS AGAINST WEAK MINDED PEOPLE when talking to Padme.
"and you've run out of brains..."
WTF??? You never even responded to the quote, so why quote it?
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So 1 AT-ST controlled by Chewbacca beat the several AT-STs + stormtroopers? Don't they have high tech communications devices that would have made them realize that the vehicle was hijhacked?
Did I just advice you to "watch the fight"? Chewie takes the one AT-ST over, sneaks up the next from behind and toasts it. The others are then moving into the prepared traps. Regular infantry weapons can't piece AT-ST armor, hence the other Imperial where pretty much in trouble once the AT-STs not being controlled by the Rebels were disabled.
They might be force sensitive, but that doesn't give them the ability to defeat an army of troops if they were well trained, given the fact that Leia had NO jedi training and Luke got very little. And how come you didn't bring this up until now? You kept on saying that they could've won had it been PIS, and now you've changed your mind. And Han being well trained does not mean that the Stormtroopers would MISS frequently, which is what they did. How well trained the enemy is doesn't really affect how well YOU shoot.
Good god. You are either 12 or a moron. Really.
How do I have to change my mind here? Did one of the trio ran into an army of stormtroopers and survived? No? Nice. They were outgunning individual stormtroopers which is not surprising considering their skills. Training doesn't matter for the Skywalkers: Nine year old Anakin had reflexes beyond regular human beings without any training.
Jabba the Hut was immune to it, so was the former owner of Anakin when he was a slave (forgot name). Anakin also says that is ONLY WORKS AGAINST WEAK MINDED PEOPLE when talking to Padme.
Jabba and Watto are immune to the effects because of their race. Seen any Hutts on Earth lately? And define "weak minded" for us. So far it has worked against every human being it was worked against - some people are able to shake the effects after some seconds, but that's it. And I still wonder how that would affect this fight.
"and you've run out of brains..."WTF??? You never even responded to the quote, so why quote it?
Oh...I did. You were simply to stupid to see.
Stormtroopers have nowhere near the training of the USMC or the combat experience of urbanized combat. Also a stormtrooper would be easily pawned at night. See this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tMDhVu-f2Q
The "elite shock troops" of the Empire would be shocked themselves. Couldn't hear themselves over the noise of the firefight. Video speaks volumes don't you think?
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallYou've lost boy, save what's left of your dignity and concede.
So 1 AT-ST controlled by Chewbacca beat the several AT-STs + stormtroopers? Don't they have high tech communications devices that would have made them realize that the vehicle was hijhacked?They might be force sensitive, but that doesn't give them the ability to defeat an army of troops if they were well trained, given the fact that Leia had NO jedi training and Luke got very little. And how come you didn't bring this up until now? You kept on saying that they could've won had it been PIS, and now you've changed your mind. And Han being well trained does not mean that the Stormtroopers would MISS frequently, which is what they did. How well trained the enemy is doesn't really affect how well YOU shoot.
Jabba the Hut was immune to it, so was the former owner of Anakin when he was a slave (forgot name). Anakin also says that is ONLY WORKS AGAINST WEAK MINDED PEOPLE when talking to Padme.
"and you've run out of brains..."
WTF??? You never even responded to the quote, so why quote it?
Sorry to revive this (it's only been dead for a while) but in Outcast Cilghal tried a jedi mind trick (or a slight variation like it by not talking like a robot "you will do X", but still same technique) on a guard but she realized that it couldn't work because the guard (who's human) is too strong willed. Anakin also told Padme that it only works on the weak minded.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You've lost boy, save what's left of your dignity and concede.
Once again, you don't actually counter my argument, and instead you just do an attack on me.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallAaand.....? Relevance please?
Sorry to revive this (it's only been dead for a while) but in Outcast Cilghal tried a jedi mind trick (or a slight variation like it by not talking like a robot "you will do X", but still same technique) on a guard but she realized that it couldn't work because the guard (who's human) is too strong willed. Anakin also told Padme that it only works on the weak minded.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallWell you wound up without much of an argument for me to counter that Nai and Red hadn't already obliterated, so what else am I gonna do?
Once again, you don't actually counter my argument, and instead you just do an attack on me.
They'd blow us to hell. Earth wouldn't unify, the Star Destroyers would tear the nations piece by piece. We have no modern weaponary that could even harm ship shielding. In other words, there'd be no Earth within that week of invasion. Or we'd be enslaved and put into the Empires service.
Earth has no hope if we get invaded by ANY outside force.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Did I just advice you to "watch the fight"? Chewie takes the one AT-ST over, sneaks up the next from behind and toasts it. The others are then moving into the prepared traps. Regular infantry weapons can't piece AT-ST armor, hence the other Imperial where pretty much in trouble once the AT-STs not being controlled by the Rebels were disabled.Good god. You are either 12 or a moron. Really.
How do I have to change my mind here? Did one of the trio ran into an army of stormtroopers and survived? No? Nice. They were outgunning individual stormtroopers which is not surprising considering their skills. Training doesn't matter for the Skywalkers: Nine year old Anakin had reflexes beyond regular human beings without any training.Jabba and Watto are immune to the effects because of their race. Seen any Hutts on Earth lately? And define "weak minded" for us. So far it has worked against every human being it was worked against - some people are able to shake the effects after some seconds, but that's it. And I still wonder how that would affect this fight.
Oh...I did. You were simply to stupid to see.
So a wooden log can pierce AT-ST armor but a blaster can't? And please, Chewbacca shouldn't have been able to hickjack it because the AT-ST's hatch should been LOCKED like any intelligent person would know. Otherwise, what stops the earthlings from doing the same? And they have COMMUNICATIONS and should've quickly communicated to each other that there's an attack. And the AT-STs shouldn't been tripped by logs. Otherwise, what stops us from doing the same?
Watch part just before they fall into that garbage place w/the monster or whatever it was. They were blasting away a "elite shocktroopers" who kept on missing them at very close range. The funny thing is that you justify this by claiming that Han Solo is very well trained, Luke and Leia got training too and are force sensitive blah blah blah, but BEING BETTER TRAINED DOES NOT DECREASE THE CHANCES OF A BLASTER HITTING YOU!!!! Unless if they can dodge blasters, they being better trained doesn't make the stormtroopers more likely to miss.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Sorry to revive this (it's only been dead for a while) but in Outcast Cilghal tried a jedi mind trick (or a slight variation like it by not talking like a robot "you will do X", but still same technique) on a guard but she realized that it couldn't work because the guard (who's human) is too strong willed. Anakin also told Padme that it only works on the weak minded.Once again, you don't actually counter my argument, and instead you just do an attack on me.
Originally posted by ChakraStrings
They'd blow us to hell. Earth wouldn't unify, the Star Destroyers would tear the nations piece by piece. We have no modern weaponary that could even harm ship shielding. In other words, there'd be no Earth within that week of invasion. Or we'd be enslaved and put into the Empires service.Earth has no hope if we get invaded by ANY outside force.
Are you being sarcastic or did you not notice that I stated in the OP that THERE ARE NO STAR DESTROYERS ALLOWED?!?!?!?!?!?!
Calm down. Consider the option they didn't read the OP.
Out of curiosity, Mike, why did you create a thread whereby the vast majority of one side's armor is so weak? You can't possibly consider that fair.
And second, we all know the films are G-canon, so how do you respond to Kenobi's "And these blast points, too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."?
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Calm down. Consider the option they didn't read the OP.Out of curiosity, Mike, why did you create a thread whereby the vast majority of one side's armor is so weak? You can't possibly consider that fair.
And second, we all know the films are G-canon, so how do you respond to Kenobi's "And these blast points, too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."?
Excuse me, but go look at some of the posts that you, Nai and Red Nemesis made. About 50% of it is insults, 25% of it arguments that I just countered, and only 25% of it is actually new. And you guys yelled at me for not realizing that the last time that happened it was sarcasm, so this time I'm just making sure, but then you change your mind. How do you respond to the fact that one of the empire's BEST stormtroopers getting beaten by some rebels and ewoks? There's evidence suggesting that they're good, but much more suggesting that they aren't the supercommandos that some people think.