What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Your use of logic is astoundingly warped. From the get-go, you had the Imperials on the losing edge. Even with the extra specifics you gave after, their still buggered. NO air support, not a BIT is spite.

Can you counter what I said instead of just repeating what you just wrote? NO air support shouldn't be enough to make this a spite against the imperials if they're several hundred - maybe even thousand years ahead of us in terms of tech.

And if this is a spite against the imperials, then why were you arguing for these 11 or so pages that the imperials would win and now are all the sudden saying that it's a spite?

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
As for the AT-AT attacking LA, there is more than just one target. A major city has multiple hubs that need to be destroyed. An AT-AT would be under Heavy Artillery fire while approaching it's target. Forgot too - they would also be under cruise missile attack.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Can you counter what I said instead of just repeating what you just wrote? NO air support shouldn't be enough to make this a spite against the imperials if they're several hundred - maybe even thousand years ahead of us in terms of tech.

And if this is a spite against the imperials, then why were you arguing for these 11 or so pages that the imperials would win and now are all the sudden saying that it's a spite?

Man, we just need to stop posting on this thread. Let it die.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I was doing what we're supposed to do here: create an argument. Given your lack of initial specifics, I had to work with assumptions and some presumptions. But even after your "contributions" I couldn't argue in favour of an Imp victory. But that doesn't stop the fact that the statistics and options you gave the Imperials was heavily one-sided.

No, I gave them PLENTY of supplies (enough to last from north america to south america) good organization and such. The only thing I added that were bad for them was their lack of knoledge of earth, but

1. I changed that at your request
2. If the empire is lightyears ahead of earth in tech, then it's reasonable to handicap them just like how it's reasonable to have a 2 vs 1 match against LOTF Luke.

Originally posted by Gideon
Do you... actually think that our technology is superior to that of the Empire?

In many ways it is, going only by what the movies show.

Would armor-piercing bullets penetrate stormtooper armor? If so, we would probably have SOME edge over the Imperials, and on top of that, Vader can't deflect bullets with his saber, so that 'might' leave him at a disadvantage(Of course, he could try to block them with the Force, but that can only hold out for so long...)

^Wouldn't the bullets melt when they hit the saber.

I don't even see how mere bullets would phase Vader's armor.

The 5.56mm round that is fired from an M16 or M4 is armor piercing. It can't pierce tank armor of course, but any type of body armor it will penetrate. Don't forget the M205 which has the grenade launcher under the barrel of the weapon. The Empire doesn't have anything similar. And yes a bullet will be destroyed if deflected by a lightsaber.

LA really isn't a vital city - San Diego is a different story - you have a Marine and two Naval . . . wait I'm wrong three Naval bases. The British have a submarine base in San Diego. San Diego also trains the SEALs and is a major submarine base. If the Empire attacked San Diego, they would have a difficult time taking it. Urban warfare is vicious - Marines have seen men blown in half - see the streets of Iraq. Imps aren't used to urban warfare.

I also was thinking earlier - The Empire wouldn't commit all of it's resources here. They would have to attack Russia, the UK and China at the same time. So we wouldn't be facing 500,000 stormtroopers.

A .50 caliber or .308 Remington 700 round will pierce Vader's armor.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
The 5.56mm round that is fired from an M16 or M4 is armor piercing. It can't pierce tank armor of course, but any type of body armor it will penetrate. Don't forget the M205 which has the grenade launcher under the barrel of the weapon. The Empire doesn't have anything similar. And yes a bullet will be destroyed if deflected by a lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
LA really isn't a vital city - San Diego is a different story - you have a Marine and two Naval . . . wait I'm wrong three Naval bases. The British have a submarine base in San Diego. San Diego also trains the SEALs and is a major submarine base. If the Empire attacked San Diego, they would have a difficult time taking it. Urban warfare is vicious - Marines have seen men blown in half - see the streets of Iraq. Imps aren't used to urban warfare.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Why do you keep insisting that these rounds will pierce stormtrooper armor? A spear was hucked by a droid-arm at it and it nicked it.

A.) With limited knowledge, the Imps won't be knowing about San Diego's military capabilities. They'll go for the cities to induce terror. B.) Why do you think Stormtrooper aren't used to urban warfare? These aren't security guards or cops, they're the elite shock troops. Try avoiding thermal detonators, lasers, and a myriad of futuristic explosives and weapons during a fight with the rebels. Not to mention they won't be fighting like American soldiers---there will be no discriminating between insurgent and civilian---everyone who gets in the way will have a whole burned through them. And as you seem to be a fan of the "not used to seeing" mentality, try this: American soldiers "aren't used to" seeing science-fictional beings come to life and start attacking them with walking metal behemoths and guys with laser guns.

Grenade launcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spear

Elite shock troopers whose BEST troops that can't defeat a small group stone age ewoks.

Earthlings bomb the imperials w/bombers. And their counter to that is...

RPG has twice the range of a thermal detonator. Guy with a thermal detonator in the sights of a sniper is a dead man. Stormtrooper sees his squadmates head explode from a .50 caliber sniper rifle will have a psychological shock on him. Stormtroopers are used to enemy troops surrendering and easily killed. They wouldn't expect a major battle with a foe that has far superior training.

The 5.56mm round is known to go straight through a body and leave a massive exit wound. Stormtroopers wouldn't be used to a battle like Mogadishu which every major American city would be like. Sure the Imps may have AT-ATs and lasers, but Imps aren't used to cruise missiles.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
RPG has twice the range of a thermal detonator. Guy with a thermal detonator in the sights of a sniper is a dead man. Stormtrooper sees his squadmates head explode from a .50 caliber sniper rifle will have a psychological shock on him. Stormtroopers are used to enemy troops surrendering and easily killed. They wouldn't expect a major battle with a foe that has far superior training.

The 5.56mm round is known to go straight through a body and leave a massive exit wound. Stormtroopers wouldn't be used to a battle like Mogadishu which every major American city would be like. Sure the Imps may have AT-ATs and lasers, but Imps aren't used to cruise missiles.

To be honest, you are being a little too supportive of earth...but I agree earth wins 🙂

My friend is an Army Ranger and he knows a lot about the technical aspects of earth weapons. After all, he needed them in Afghanistan and Iraq - air support and infantry weaponry.

Originally posted by Darth Truculent
My friend is an Army Ranger and he knows a lot about the technical aspects of earth weapons. After all, he needed them in Afghanistan and Iraq - air support and infantry weaponry.

I agree that Earth wins, but if the Empire had star destroyers then they'd kill us pretty easily (which is why I left them out - to prevent this from turning into a spite in which people would say "oh you must have a grudge against Earth"😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
everyone who gets in the way will have a whole burned through them.

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Sorry.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I agree that Earth wins, but if the Empire had star destroyers then they'd kill us pretty easily (which is why I left them out - to prevent this from turning into a spite in which people would say "oh you must have a grudge against Earth"😉

Now it's 'oh, you must have a grudge against the Empire'. Or maybe I'm the only one who says that ...

A spear?

C'mon man.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
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Sorry.

Now it's 'oh, you must have a grudge against the Empire'. Or maybe I'm the only one who says that ...

NOW it's that, but if I DID include star destroyer then you'd claim that I have a grudge against earth. So no matter what, you yell at me.