What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Excuse me, but go look at some of the posts that you, Nai and Red Nemesis made. About 50% of it is insults, 25% of it arguments that I just countered, and only 25% of it is actually new. How do you respond to the fact that one of the empire's BEST stormtroopers getting beaten by some rebels and ewoks? There's evidence suggesting that they're good, but much more suggesting that they aren't the supercommandos that some people think.

Talk once more of "answering and countering arguments." Do it, I dare you. Answer my question. How do you respond to Kenobi's statement? G-canon. Supported by C-canon sources. There is not ONE G-canon source that says Stromtroopers suck. Not ONE.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Christ, your petty. And desperate for a victory.

Talk once more of "answering and countering arguments." Do it, I dare you. Answer my question. How do you respond to Kenobi's statement? G-canon. Supported by C-canon sources. There is not ONE G-canon source that says Stromtroopers suck. Not ONE.

There is not one G canon source that says that the GAR could beat the team (for that thread). Not ONE. There's no G canon source saying that Revan could beat Bane or vice versa, so why do threads like that? Because if there was an official statement then there would be no point in debating because the answer would be official. G CANON footage shows that:

Stormtroopers can't hit guys at close range (or at least not often)
Stormtroopers can be harmed by rocks
AT-STs can be destroyed by logs
etc.

A picture is worth a thousand words, and I'm pretty sure that movies are worth more than pictures.

And look at how much you guys change your minds/hypocrite:

oh food and supplies aren't a problem because the empire has cold fusion tech!
hey you made it a spite by not giving the empire enough supplies!

The Empire wins!!!!!!!!
This is a spite against the empire you gave them too many limitations such as low numbers (which I specified in the OP and you guys didn't mention for a while)

Jedi Mind tricks work against any one except for X race a force sensitives!
(I proved that wrong with G canon and C canon sources)

That's because of PIS!
That's because Han is well trained and the others are force sensitive!
That's because of PIS! (again)

I declare that the Empire has AA guns even though they aren't listed!
How dare you twist the thread against the empire!

your a loser (insert insulting name here) and you are stupid!
calm down!

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
There is not one G canon source that says that the GAR could beat the team (for that thread). Not ONE. There's no G canon source saying that Revan could beat Bane or vice versa, so why do threads like that? Because if there was an official statement then there would be no point in debating because the answer would be official. G CANON footage shows that:

Stormtroopers can't hit guys at close range (or at least not often)
Stormtroopers can be harmed by rocks
AT-STs can be destroyed by logs
etc.

A picture is worth a thousand words, and I'm pretty sure that movies are worth more than pictures.

And look at how much you guys change your minds/hypocrite:

oh food and supplies aren't a problem because the empire has cold fusion tech!
hey you made it a spite by not giving the empire enough supplies!

The Empire wins!!!!!!!!
This is a spite against the empire you gave them too many limitations such as low numbers (which I specified in the OP and you guys didn't mention for a while)

Jedi Mind tricks work against any one except for X race a force sensitives!
(I proved that wrong with G canon and C canon sources)

That's because of PIS!
That's because Han is well trained and the others are force sensitive!
That's because of PIS! (again)

I declare that the Empire has AA guns even though they aren't listed!
How dare you twist the thread against the empire!

your a loser (insert insulting name here) and you are stupid!
calm down!

You've still not answered my question. Without using YOUR interpretation of the movies, tell me, using canonical facts, what you make of Kenobi's statement.

So Obi Wan is obviously all knowing and knows about the accuracy of them even though to my knowledge by that time he's had little to no confrontation with them. He probably thought that they were on the same level as clones, who ARE very accurate.

But then again, maybe stormtroopers are more accurate then I say. I have to admit that that's a convincing quote. That still doesn't mean that the Empire wins; there's too few of them and they aren't THAT well trained so that they can compeletely negate that.

And it's not my interpretation of the movies; it is a FACT that they didn't hit our heroes, or else they'd be dead. It is a FACT that AT-STs got destroyed by logs.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So Obi Wan is obviously all knowing and knows about the accuracy of them even though to my knowledge by that time he's had little to no confrontation with them. He probably thought that they were on the same level as clones, who ARE very accurate.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
But then again, maybe stormtroopers are more accurate then I say. I have to admit that that's a convincing quote. That still doesn't mean that the Empire wins; there's too few of them and they aren't THAT well trained so that they can compeletely negate that.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And it's not my interpretation of the movies; it is a FACT that they didn't hit our heroes, or else they'd be dead.

Along with the wiki article about it is a paragraph on the One-at-a-time Attack Rule: "In any situation where the hero is alone, surrounded by dozens of bad guys, they will always obligingly attack one at a time."

Another one is called the Ninja Effect common in video-games. It states that when the defender is attacked by 50 "ninjas" he'll defeat them with relative ease. But fighting just one seems to boost the "ninjas" skill, making for a difficult opponent.

No matter what some die hards say, PIS exists. It HAS to, otherwise we're in for a very disappointing movie. Notice how quickly the Stormtroopers overwhelmed the Tantive IV's defenders? Yet Farmboy and his merry gang escaped hundreds of them? It's either PIS, or worse... the will of the Force that they live.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It is a FACT that AT-STs got destroyed by logs.

It is also a fact that your OP gave the Empire 100 AT ATs. That's like 50 times what took out the Rebel Headquarters on Hoth- a fortress with equivalent firepower.

I still think the example I gave is better.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
E.g. Give the Empire a scenario whereby a downed Star Destroyer crash landed on Earth, the last thing it having done was scan the planet and jam our satellites. Situated near the U.S.-Mexcio border, the contents of the ship are all intact, it's just immobile, giving the Imps a protected base of operations. Can the 36,000 strong crew and Vader take on the U.S. military?

Nemesis said I don't "firewall" anymore. That hurt.

So bring it on, tools. One at a time or by the thousands, I don't give a damn.

None shall pass.

/Ganner

@Lord Lucien, in a post I stated a scenario like that and you responded by saying that it was retarded to come up with a scenario.

Do you mind showing me it?

Use the search thread button that searches for posts within the thread and search "Super Star Destroyer Lucien" (I'm remember using it, but I forgot where it is 🙁 )

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So a wooden log can pierce AT-ST armor but a blaster can't?

You are aware of a concept called "physics", right? Apparently not, because otherwise you wouldn't compare kinetic energy to heat energy. We see that the catapults the Ewoks are using do precisely nothing against the AT-ST, the logs - however - can archieve the task. Why? Because you have impact energy applied against the cockpit from two sides simultaneously.

Can you give me an example of a modern day Earth light armored vehicle that would survive such an impact?

And please, Chewbacca shouldn't have been able to hickjack it because the AT-ST's hatch should been LOCKED like any intelligent person would know.

I see, the concept of PIS must be too hard to understand. You did notice how Chewbacca jumps on the AT-ST accompanied by some Ewoks and then uses one of the Ewoks to lure the crew out (opening the hatch to get rid of the Ewok)? Otherwise it wouldn't have worked.

Otherwise, what stops the earthlings from doing the same? And they have COMMUNICATIONS and should've quickly communicated to each other that there's an attack. And the AT-STs shouldn't been tripped by logs. Otherwise, what stops us from doing the same?

I see...the concept of "situation" also completely escapes you.

a)
You would need a nice planet where the Imperials wouldn't expect any threat from the primitive lifeforms living there.

b)
On that planet, you'll need a nice, giant wood.

c)
You then need weeks or even months of preperation time. Unless you want to assume that those Ewoks constructed the traps in the matter of hours.

That are three points already that "we" would be completely lacking in this scenario.

Watch part just before they fall into that garbage place w/the monster or whatever it was. They were blasting away a "elite shocktroopers" who kept on missing them at very close range.

What the hell? So now we're back at ANH. I wonder, what you're talking about. You aren't talking about the scene where the "heroes" where hiding behind some metal props and kept shooting at the Stormtroopers who were attempting to advance to them through a straight corridor that didn't offer any cover?

Did you miss that the same Stormtroopers did totally blast the Rebel Soldiers apart when entering Leia's ship? Did you somehow miss how Obi-Wan himself mentions their extreme accuracy, when he spots the destroyed sandcrawler? Notice: Their accuracy in comparison to the Sandpeople who have been shown in TPM to be quite able to hit podracers from a considerable distance. Based on that, I wonder how you want to feed us the story, that those guy suck at aiming.

The funny thing is that you justify this by claiming that Han Solo is very well trained, Luke and Leia got training too and are force sensitive blah blah blah, but BEING BETTER TRAINED DOES NOT DECREASE THE CHANCES OF A BLASTER HITTING YOU!!!! Unless if they can dodge blasters, they being better trained doesn't make the stormtroopers more likely to miss.

What point about "looking into the future" was it, you didn't get. Yes. Luke and Leia can technically dodge blaster bolts. But you're just ignoring the circumstances again. Is there ever any "fair" shoot-out shown in the entire movie? The correct answer: No.

The troops are getting jumped most of the time. If not that, they have to move around in the open when their opponents have cover. If not that, they get outgunned with more firepower or tricked. I can just point to the examples above where those Stormtroopers show that they are quite the elite force.

Originally posted by Borbarad
You are aware of a concept called "physics", right? Apparently not, because otherwise you wouldn't compare kinetic energy to heat energy. We see that the catapults the Ewoks are using do precisely nothing against the AT-ST, the logs - however - can archieve the task. Why? Because you have impact energy applied against the cockpit from two sides simultaneously.

Can you give me an example of a modern day Earth light armored vehicle that would survive such an impact?

So you aren't denying that an AT-ST got destroyed by a log, right? I'm not claiming that a modern light armored vehicle could withstand it, but now that you've confirmed it what stops us from just attacking the AT-STs with logs? Like luring them into a trap w/logs? They were stupid enough to fall for it on Endor, and these were the Empire's most elite stormtroopers. Or we could just launch logs like cannons.

You're really struggling.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So you aren't denying that an AT-ST got destroyed by a log, right?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

I'm not claiming that a modern light armored vehicle could withstand it

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall

Or we could just launch logs like cannons.

Was that a joke? Either learn to be funny or don't try.

Don't be mean. This will be my last post on this thread:

LET IT DIE.

That wasn't mean, it was good advice. (I'm still praying to all of the Gods and gods that I know of that it was a joke.)

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
So you aren't denying that an AT-ST got destroyed by a log, right? I'm not claiming that a modern light armored vehicle could withstand it, but now that you've confirmed it what stops us from just attacking the AT-STs with logs? Like luring them into a trap w/logs? They were stupid enough to fall for it on Endor, and these were the Empire's most elite stormtroopers. Or we could just launch logs like cannons.

What word in "They didn't expect to get attack and hence where careless" was it, you didn't understand, genius? And I've already told you why "we" can't attack them with logs. So start reading, then do some thinking and, most important, just STFU. Oh no: Please simply delete your account and never return here again if you want to do us all a favor.

Originally posted by Eminence
Don't be mean. This will be my last post on this thread:

[b]LET IT DIE. [/B]

There was a post where I claimed that the thread was over and that we should just let it die, but people kept on posting.

if people kept jumping off of bridges would you?

One can only hope.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
There was a post where I claimed that the thread was over and that we should just let it die, but people kept on posting.

Apparently Mr.Anderson, it's OK for others to keep posting but it's not OK for me to? Please explain your reasoning (without jokes or "because you suck"😉

Even if stormtroopers are "elite shocktroopers", they can be harmed by rocks, so shear numbers of soldiers with bullets could stop them given that blasters are about the same range as guns. Nor can they stop bombers.

Nai here admited that AT-STs aren't made for head up fighting (hence the name all terrain scout transport), so Abrams could certainly take them down, albiet w/some difficulty. And, bombers could blast them too.

AT-ATs are the biggest threat here, but ICBMs could probably (I say probably cause it's imposssible to tell unless if we have one here) destroy them. And, they'll eventually run out of fuel, and I doubt that any of our fuels run AT-ATs.

They also don't start out with any means to get accross the big blue sea. They could capture our boats, but we could very well get all of our military ships out into the ocean and then burn all of our non military ships. Besides, how do they carry AT-ATs? They could make their own, but they won't have that kind of time. And if they get hold of/make some ships, they won't be that well armed and will get oblitherated by the world Navys, thus destroying the entire army.

And, every time they capture a city, they'll have to leave behind a # of troops capable of keeping control of a city of so and so size. They can't just kill everyone, because they're trying to INVADE and capture it and there's no point if everyone's dead. So every time they're going to have less and less troops, as well as dwindling supplies. It's like running a gauntlet with 100+ rounds.