Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
It's like running a gauntlet with 100+ rounds.
Bane could do 100+ rounds without a rest! Against every Sith Lord and Jedi Master!
Oh and Hewhoknowsall, might not have a purpose now but i voted Earth Wins. Even though I argued for the Empire.
The Stormtroopers who got knocked down by rocks (after watching the scene) I offer an explenation as to why. Now none of the Stormtroopers were knocked out by the Ewoks throwing the rocks, they were suprised by the attack, and they lost footing in the forested floor causing them to fall and tumble over. The Ewoks then...
gang raped themand tied them up I guess.
Ok, heres what I think. If we remove ATAT's and ST's from the equation temporarily, Stormtrooper armour is designed to be resistant to blaster bolts, albeit limitedly, and not projectile weapons (unless this is post NJO). This means that a bullet would have no problem piercing the plastoid armour. Especially armour piercing bullets.
Now bringing back the heavies, our weapons (as they are projectiles) have at least twice the range of Imperial Blaster cannons. So our soldiers are also better equipped in a ranged battle with a squad of Stormies.
An Abrams A1, or 2 even, would in no-way destroy an ATAT in one hit, it may heavily damage the ATAT after many multiple hits from several Tanks all over the ATAT's armour. But remembering that the ATAT could obliterate a single/several Abrams with a single shot (hopefully they'll be spread out, not grouped together) then constant movement is s must. Our forces would be pretty evenly matched, none of the Nuclear Power nations would risk an attack with a Nuke. It would be left to one nation; say America.
In all likely-hood though, if the Imperials have any train of thought they would realise they are stranded on Earth. Thus would more likely contact the Government of which-ever nation and work out some kind of treaty to allow the stay of arms and give the the ability to contact the Empire using Earthican equipment. This would open up much for Earth as we begin working with the Empire. I mean think of the scientific nature and how this would be first contact with an Alien race, human or not.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Apparently Mr.Anderson, it's OK for others to keep posting but it's not OK for me to? Please explain your reasoning (without jokes or "because you suck"😉
I think "because you suck" is a perfect explanation. I may add: Hewhoknosall, god decided, means "idiot".
Even if stormtroopers are "elite shocktroopers", they can be harmed by rocks, so shear numbers of soldiers with bullets could stop them given that blasters are about the same range as guns. Nor can they stop bombers.
Where did you see Stormtroopers getting harmed by rocks, pal? Did you see any physical damage done to them by the rocks getting thrown? Or were they just surprised and got knocked on their feet for some seconds, after which they went up again and chased the Ewoks through the forrest. I may help you: The latter series of events is the one depicted in the movies. The Ewoks did absolutely nothing to the Stormtroopers with the stone-throwing. You fail once again.
Nai here admited that AT-STs aren't made for head up fighting (hence the name all terrain scout transport), so Abrams could certainly take them down, albiet w/some difficulty. And, bombers could blast them too.
They aren't made for head up fighting with logs crushing them from both sides. Lmao. You might explain to me, how exactly you're going to hit an AT-ST moving with 90 kph with any heavy weapon or a bomb. I'm looking forward to your explanation that will include an excessive violation of any form of common sense.
AT-ATs are the biggest threat here, but ICBMs could probably (I say probably cause it's imposssible to tell unless if we have one here) destroy them. And, they'll eventually run out of fuel, and I doubt that any of our fuels run AT-ATs.
Are you - for god's sake - again assuming that the AT-ATs will get nuked? I may point it out for you again: An ICBM is not a "aim and direct hit weapon". You're going to hit things that move with 60 kph with a weapon that needs half an hour from start to impact how exactly? And this is already ignoring the question why anybody would fire ICBMs on an AT-AT.
They also don't start out with any means to get accross the big blue sea. They could capture our boats, but we could very well get all of our military ships out into the ocean and then burn all of our non military ships. Besides, how do they carry AT-ATs? They could make their own, but they won't have that kind of time. And if they get hold of/make some ships, they won't be that well armed and will get oblitherated by the world Navys, thus destroying the entire army.
You are aware of the fact that, technically, they just need to conquer one country that has nuclear weapons, right? And was it already mentioned that this thread is a huge compilation of bullshit ideas coming from you? I just wanted to state it once more.
And, every time they capture a city, they'll have to leave behind a # of troops capable of keeping control of a city of so and so size. They can't just kill everyone, because they're trying to INVADE and capture it and there's no point if everyone's dead.
Lmao. You are aware of the general rules of VS fights, right? Why would they not annihilate entire cities? Hell: Terror through destruction is one of their main doctrines in terms of combat. You know that they blew up billions of people on Alderaan just to demonstrate the fire-power of the Death Star? Tarkin even landed a Stardestroyer on a peaceful demonstration in order to make a point. Glassing cities is something they definitely will do.
So every time they're going to have less and less troops, as well as dwindling supplies. It's like running a gauntlet with 100+ rounds.
No. It's like reading the "Bible of stupid Threads" with you being the damn Messiah. Hail, King of Stupidity.
@Jedireaper:
Ok, heres what I think. If we remove ATAT's and ST's from the equation temporarily, Stormtrooper armour is designed to be resistant to blaster bolts, albeit limitedly, and not projectile weapons (unless this is post NJO). This means that a bullet would have no problem piercing the plastoid armour. Especially armour piercing bullets.
Oh my god. It has been mentioned, multiple time now, that Stormtrooper armor can catch projectile weapons. They will knock stormtoorpers on their asses with projectile weapons - maybe. But that you can easily pierce their armor with them begs for proof.
Now bringing back the heavies, our weapons (as they are projectiles) have at least twice the range of Imperial Blaster cannons. So our soldiers are also better equipped in a ranged battle with a squad of Stormies.
Another false assumption: Stormtroopers weapons have an effective firing range of - at least - 300 metres. That are the regular guns. The rifles have an effective firing range of ten kilometres. There is no hand-helt gun on Earth that has a compareable range. End of story. Not to mention that their weapons have far more firepower than anything short of a Bazooka. They can kill our tanks with their regular guns.
An Abrams A1, or 2 even, would in no-way destroy an ATAT in one hit, it may heavily damage the ATAT after many multiple hits from several Tanks all over the ATAT's armour. But remembering that the ATAT could obliterate a single/several Abrams with a single shot (hopefully they'll be spread out, not grouped together) then constant movement is s must. Our forces would be pretty evenly matched, none of the Nuclear Power nations would risk an attack with a Nuke. It would be left to one nation; say America.
Again: AT-ATs move with speed of 60 kph and their armor can withstand energy output that is compareable to that of a small nuclear explosion. There is nothing you can do against them with conventional weapons. End of story.
Originally posted by Anon E. MousIt depended on where the Empire started off from. It also depended on whether Earth recognized the threat level. If the Empire started off in the U.S. for example, it would take some time before the gov't decided to Nuke their own soil and people. Look at how long Bill Pullman took to give the go-ahead in Independence Day, and Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks! God knows Obama is leagues above Jack and at least on par with Bill.
Why is everyone so certain we won't hit them with nukes? One or two nukes (depending on location) wouldn't hurt the planet too much, and would wipe out thousands of Stormies, maybe a hundred AT-ST's, and a AT-AT or two. The Empire would still win, bust they wouldn't pwn.
Originally posted by Anon E. Mous
Why is everyone so certain we won't hit them with nukes? One or two nukes (depending on location) wouldn't hurt the planet too much, and would wipe out thousands of Stormies, maybe a hundred AT-ST's, and a AT-AT or two. The Empire would still win, bust they wouldn't pwn.
Oh well...
Firstly: I argued that somebody would try to hit them with ICBM. We're talking about weapons designed to hit stationary targets that need quite some time to reach their destination. Just as example: An ICBM goes up into the air and then drops down on the ground again (that's the version for 3 year old children). That flight takes, let's say, 30 minutes. In that time-span, an AT-ST can cross 45 kilometres while an AT-AT can still cross 30 kilometres. So...you simply can't hit them with such a weapon directly.
Secondly: All the "nuke 'em away" scenarios assume that the Imperials do nothing to counter such an attack. Let me get this straight: Any aircraft flying in their direction (and Bombers aren't too fast) will get obliterated. So you have to try your luck with nuclear warheads. Now even those can be stopped by a single blaster bolt hitting them.
Thirdly: They still do have Darth Vader who can technically counter missle attacks. And let me also get that one straight. No one will shoot multiple nuclear weapon on a single army, because that would simple be stupid. So there comes one missle flying. And I don't really think that it's beyond Vader to use his TK abilities to manipulate such a rocket into landing far away (with the next densly populated city might appear as a good place to push it into, if you're a Sith Lord).
And given that - as the thread-starter said - the people on Earth would have perfect information about their enemies...who do you think will try to nuke Darth Vader, huh?
Originally posted by Borbarad
I think "because you suck" is a perfect explanation. I may add: Hewhoknosall, god decided, means "idiot".Where did you see Stormtroopers getting harmed by rocks, pal? Did you see any physical damage done to them by the rocks getting thrown? Or were they just surprised and got knocked on their feet for some seconds, after which they went up again and chased the Ewoks through the forrest. I may help you: The latter series of events is the one depicted in the movies. The Ewoks did absolutely nothing to the Stormtroopers with the stone-throwing. You fail once again.
They aren't made for head up fighting with logs crushing them from both sides. Lmao. You might explain to me, how exactly you're going to hit an AT-ST moving with 90 kph with any heavy weapon or a bomb. I'm looking forward to your explanation that will include an excessive violation of any form of common sense.
Are you - for god's sake - again assuming that the AT-ATs will get nuked? I may point it out for you again: An ICBM is not a "aim and direct hit weapon". You're going to hit things that move with 60 kph with a weapon that needs half an hour from start to impact how exactly? And this is already ignoring the question why anybody would fire ICBMs on an AT-AT.
You are aware of the fact that, technically, they just need to conquer one country that has nuclear weapons, right? And was it already mentioned that this thread is a huge compilation of bullshit ideas coming from you? I just wanted to state it once more.
Lmao. You are aware of the general rules of VS fights, right? Why would they not annihilate entire cities? Hell: Terror through destruction is one of their main doctrines in terms of combat. You know that they blew up billions of people on Alderaan just to demonstrate the fire-power of the Death Star? Tarkin even landed a Stardestroyer on a peaceful demonstration in order to make a point. Glassing cities is something they definitely will do.
No. It's like reading the "Bible of stupid Threads" with you being the damn Messiah. Hail, King of Stupidity.
There are several things wrong with your reasoning:
1. Your a hypocrite. Does your first statement make logical sense? No. You're like a child getting angry that not everyone agrees with you.
2. Even if I am as stupid as you claim, at least I'm moral and I don't just go scream insults at anyone whom I disagree with. Just look at you replies. Of the above, every single one has an insult added on.
3. Exactly why do you think that hitting a target as big as an AT-AT is going to be hard with modern day targeting systems?
4. The Empire is invading Earth. They won't destroy every city that they see, because what's the point of Vader endangering his own life and wasting an invasion force if you end up with a lifeless world? What are you gonna do with it? Otherwise, they'd just kill everyone one every world.
5. You change your mind way too much/act like a hypocrite:
oh food and supplies aren't a problem because the empire has cold fusion tech!
hey you made it a spite by not giving the empire enough supplies!
The Empire wins!!!!!!!!
This is a spite against the empire you gave them too many limitations such as low numbers (which I specified in the OP and you guys didn't mention for a while)
Jedi Mind tricks work against any one except for X race a force sensitives!
(I proved that wrong with G canon and C canon sources)
That's because of PIS!
That's because Han is well trained and the others are force sensitive!
That's because of PIS! (again)
I declare that the Empire has AA guns even though they aren't listed!
How dare you twist the thread against the empire!
your a loser (insert insulting name here) and you are stupid!
calm down!
6. Please explain why you need to only conquer one nuclear nation.
7. HOW DO THEY STOP THE BOMBERS??? AA guns aren't allowed b/c they aren't stated in the OP.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
1. Your a hypocrite. Does your first statement make logical sense? No. You're like a child getting angry that not everyone agrees with you.
Yeah. It does. Shall I demonstrate the logic:
All stupid persons are idiots.
You are a stupid person.
Conclusion: You are an idiot.
There...logical sound reasoning right here for you.
2. Even if I am as stupid as you claim, at least I'm moral and I don't just go scream insults at anyone whom I disagree with. Just look at you replies. Of the above, every single one has an insult added on.
No. You simply insult peoples intelligence by making pointless thread and then repeat equally pointless "arguments" ad nauseam. I just express my feelings towards people - which you might call "lacking tact" but that's hardly "immoral".
3. Exactly why do you think that hitting a target as big as an AT-AT is going to be hard with modern day targeting systems?
You were talking about ICBMs. You know what ICBMs are? You know how they work and what they are designed for. Just a hint: Hitting a mobile target with the size of an AT-AT is clearly not a task an ICBM is made for.
4. The Empire is invading Earth. They won't destroy every city that they see, because what's the point of Vader endangering his own life and wasting an invasion force if you end up with a lifeless world? What are you gonna do with it? Otherwise, they'd just kill everyone one every world.
You might properly read before replying. I said they would lay waste to some cities, because that's how they rule their entire Empire. Don't you know the Tarkin doctrine?
"Rule through the fear of force rather than through force itself. If we use our strength wisely, we shall cow thousands of worlds with the example of a select few. These examples would need to be highly visible worlds, whose punishment would be further revealed through our control of information via the hyper media. "
In other words: If you reduce one huge city into molten slag (including the citizens) the people in the next city might be pretty obedient in order to avoid the very same faith. You idea that they would leave troops behind to secure cities is - simply put - stupid.
5. You change your mind way too much/act like a hypocrite:
oh food and supplies aren't a problem because the empire has cold fusion tech!
hey you made it a spite by not giving the empire enough supplies!The Empire wins!!!!!!!!
This is a spite against the empire you gave them too many limitations such as low numbers (which I specified in the OP and you guys didn't mention for a while)Jedi Mind tricks work against any one except for X race a force sensitives!
(I proved that wrong with G canon and C canon sources)That's because of PIS!
That's because Han is well trained and the others are force sensitive!
That's because of PIS! (again)
Is their any point hidden in that mindless babble - or is it just tosh. I'd simply ignore it.
I declare that the Empire has AA guns even though they aren't listed!
How dare you twist the thread against the empire!
You did list AT-ATs, didn't you? You are aware of the fact that AT-ATs are shown in ESB to shoot snowspeeders straight from the sky (most noticeable: Luke's own)? So apparently they are quite capable to defend themselves against air-attacks. That you did overlook that while building your "Haha-Empire-get's-owned-so-bad" scenario is not my problem.
6. Please explain why you need to only conquer one nuclear nation.
Because that gives them the lovely opportunity to threaten all other nations in range. And as you equipped all humans on Earth with knowledge about the enemy, they would know that Vader wouldn't mind turning a few countries into nuclear deserts. I wonder, what the reaction would be.
7. HOW DO THEY STOP THE BOMBERS??? AA guns aren't allowed b/c they aren't stated in the OP.
AT-AT guns can do the job, see above.
I actually think that a "jedi" mindtrick will work considering it is coming from Darth Vader and for the record it is also possible for even a jedi to fall for a mindtrick such as in "Traitor" when Jacen Solo (17-18 years old) uses one on Ganner. I think an extremely powerful force user can overcome a strong willed mind.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Yeah. It does. Shall I demonstrate the logic:All stupid persons are idiots.
You are a stupid person.
Conclusion: You are an idiot.
There...logical sound reasoning right here for you.No. You simply insult peoples intelligence by making pointless thread and then repeat equally pointless "arguments" ad nauseam. I just express my feelings towards people - which you might call "lacking tact" but that's hardly "immoral".
Relevance? I'm saying what reasoning concludes that other people can post in this thread while I can't, even though I started it.
You really don't understand, don't you? "insulting other people's intelligence" is a VERY stupid excuse for insulting someone. Am I intentionally insulting you? No. So do you in any way have any right to insult me? No. You are acting like "the weak serve the strong" only changing it to "the (supposedly) stupid serve the (supposedly) intelligent". That is just pure wrong and immoral.
And please explain why you said that jedi mind tricks work on everyone except for force sensitives and a few species, when I proved that's FALSE:
Cilghal failed to use a mind trick (or a form of it) on a HUMAN. The all powerful author said that the guard was too strong willed.
When Padme asked Anakin if he's using a mind trick, he said that it only works on the weak minded.
Jabba called his servant a "WEAK MINDED fool".
And AT-ATs shot down the snowspeeders because they were right in front of their view (which a bomber won't) and because snowspeeders have a speed below/or near mach 1, which isn't as fast as most bombers.
Originally posted by Borbarad
You were talking about ICBMs. You know what ICBMs are? You know how they work and what they are designed for. Just a hint: Hitting a mobile target with the size of an AT-AT is clearly not a task an ICBM is made for.You might properly read before replying. I said they would lay waste to some cities, because that's how they rule their entire Empire. Don't you know the Tarkin doctrine?
"Rule through the fear of force rather than through force itself. If we use our strength wisely, we shall cow thousands of worlds with the example of a select few. These examples would need to be highly visible worlds, whose punishment would be further revealed through our control of information via the hyper media. "
In other words: If you reduce one huge city into molten slag (including the citizens) the people in the next city might be pretty obedient in order to avoid the very same faith. You idea that they would leave troops behind to secure cities is - simply put - stupid.
Is their any point hidden in that mindless babble - or is it just tosh. I'd simply ignore it.
Because that gives them the lovely opportunity to threaten all other nations in range. And as you equipped all humans on Earth with knowledge about the enemy, they would know that Vader wouldn't mind turning a few countries into nuclear deserts. I wonder, what the reaction would be.
AT-AT guns can do the job, see above.
You burn down a select few, but you don't burn down EVERY city. Those that you don't you'll need to keep troops behind.
Notice how you refuse to respond to the mind trick question?
Yes, so having control of one country w/nukes makes them nuclear powered (is that a proper phrase?) beyond the many other nuclear powers.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Cilghal failed to use a mind trick (or a form of it) on a HUMAN. The all powerful author said that the guard was too strong willed.When Padme asked Anakin if he's using a mind trick, he said that it only works on the weak minded.
Jabba called his servant a "WEAK MINDED fool".
And AT-ATs shot down the snowspeeders because they were right in front of their view (which a bomber won't) and because snowspeeders have a speed below/or near mach 1, which isn't as fast as most bombers.
And as I said a 17 YEAR OLD Jacen Solo performed a mindtrick on ANOTHER JEDI, I'd definitely say that Ganner>some random soldier. And is there proof that Cilghal is an good at this technique other then failing the one time she did it? Thing is the is always work on the weak minded and strong minded people can resist but if soldier X or Y is being interrogated by DARTH VADER then there is a good chance that Vader can overcome this obstinate and some one like Cighal can't/
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallBecause you are a nubcake. no jokes. pure fact.
Apparently Mr.Anderson, it's OK for others to keep posting but it's not OK for me to? Please explain your reasoning (without jokes or "because you suck"😉
Yes, that is you.
And yes you will probably whine about this reply.
Someone will probably cry because i looked at it two weeks after i should have. For you, see image a. that's you.
In fact, let me put you on.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
DUUHHH
And for you mod's who are going to kick the shit out of me for being hostile over the internet, Have some free respect. Seriously. I know its what you've been looking for... So take my respect and be happy or look a gift horse in the mouth and ban me.
Now I know that this thread is dead, but first I want Nai to explain the "mind tricks work on EVERYONE except for force sensitives and certain species" to me, because I disproved it several times.
Originally posted by BorbaradWhere did you see Stormtroopers getting harmed by rocks, pal? Did you see any physical damage done to them by the rocks getting thrown? Or were they just surprised and got knocked on their feet for some seconds, after which they went up again and chased the Ewoks through the forrest. I may help you: The latter series of events is the one depicted in the movies. The Ewoks did absolutely nothing to the Stormtroopers with the stone-throwing. You fail once again.
If they weren't harmed, then why did the stormtroopers end up losing? It wasn't until the AT-STs came that they started winning, only to lose again. If the rocks didn't do anything, then what did? The rebel group 1/10th the size of the imperial force? HAHAHA