What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Started by Hewhoknowsall53 pages

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I basically said that you took away the Imperial Navy, which kind of prevents them from being carpet bombed by conventional fighters.

This would balance it somewhat. The actual utility of 100 TIE fighters is questionable, but they are highly maneuverable and have powerful weapons.

I never complained about this. It's kind of expected that the Imps would have intel anyways, since attacking a foreign planet blind is completely irrational.

I don't care how far they are from America. This is "Modern day earth", which last I checked was a hell of a lot bigger than America. One of the concerns I do have is that you didn't consider the logistical difficulties they would have in crossing a nation, much less a globe. In the weeks, months, or years spent conquering Nation X, the others could potentially create more airforces which would eventually take its toll on even the TIE fighters and the ground troops, depending on their use of cruise missiles and such.

It was implied that the Empire had given enough supplies for the armed forces to at least make a beachhead. Considering that conquering the globe or most of it would require astronomical resources, if you didn't include these, than it would be a serious oversight.

If I give them star destroyers, then it would be a spite against Earth and we would be having the same discussion, only with you blaming for making it a spite against EARTH. Lose/lose for me.

Exactly.

Lucien did. Explain Lucien's reasoning, since he doesn't want to do it himself.

See above.

See above.

So what are YOUR accusations, if you deny making any of the above (except for air support, which I gave them, and naval support, which is spite).

If I give them star destroyers, then it would be a spite against Earth and we would be having the same discussion, only with you blaming for making it a spite against EARTH. Lose/lose for me.

Star destroyers aren't the only ships available. Basic transports would suffice, because they not only provide limited air support, but they also provide mobility which the Imps are severely lacking in.

Lucien did. Explain Lucien's reasoning, since he doesn't want to do it himself.

Why are you pushing the burden of explaining someone else's arguments on me? Here, you explain why radu1234 argues like Stephen Hawkings breakdances, and then we'll talk about Lucien.

So what are YOUR accusations, if you deny making any of the above (except for air support, which I gave them, and naval support, which is spite).

I've already brought up my concerns, and you need to go back and read them. You didn't bring anything to the table with them and you admittedly didn't read them all. The only person who did was radu1234, and I use the term "read" very loosely.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Star destroyers aren't the only ships available. Basic transports would suffice, because they not only provide limited air support, but they also provide mobility which the Imps are severely lacking in.

Why are you pushing the burden of explaining someone else's arguments on me? Here, you explain why radu1234 argues like Stephen Hawkings breakdances, and then we'll talk about Lucien.

I've already brought up my concerns, and you need to go back and read them. You didn't bring anything to the table with them and you admittedly didn't read them all. The only person who did was radu1234, and I use the term "read" very loosely.

Fine then: they get 1 transport ship, but armed with nothing more than really basic defenses.

First of all, have you ever seen Hawkings breakdance? Of course not! And if you're talking about Hawkings himself (not his dancing since HE CAN'T DANCE), then you are actually complementing him because forgive me if I'm wrong but Hawkings is pretty smart. And DO YOU AGREE with Lucien's accusations? If so, then counter my defense that I posted. If not, then consider those accusations busted unless proven otherwise.

Sorry but can you please post them again (like I posted my arguments again 3 times)?

My original post is here.

If you keep reading, you'll see my rebuttals for radu1234.

Fine then: they get 1 transport ship, but armed with nothing more than really basic defenses.

What kind of transport ship?

First of all, have you ever seen Hawkings breakdance? Of course not! And if you're talking about Hawkings himself (not his dancing since HE CAN'T DANCE), then you are actually complementing him because forgive me if I'm wrong but Hawkings is pretty smart.

My god, you actually missed the sarcasm.

And DO YOU AGREE with Lucien's accusations? If so, then counter my defense that I posted. If not, then consider those accusations busted unless proven otherwise.

I am not subbing in for Lucien. If you have beef with him, take it up with him. As for "busted", then you must agree that all my points have "busted" yours since you failed to read them and reply.

Janus, do you realize that I RESPONDED to your original post earlier but you didn't read it/read it but didn't respond to it?

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OMG ur trollin.

Janus, do you realize that I RESPONDED to your original post earlier but you didn't read it/read it but didn't respond to it?

Most of your points where either addressed by others or were addressed in my rebuttal to radu1234. If you didn't catch that, the fault isn't mine.

OMG ur trollin.

No Wai!! scared

Originally posted by Janus Marius
OMG ur trollin.

Most of your points where either addressed by others or were addressed in my rebuttal to radu1234. If you didn't catch that, the fault isn't mine.

Then why did you posted your original post when I already responded to it? You should have posted to post that I didn't respond to.

No Wai!!

I see what you did there.

Then why did you posted your original post when I already responded to it? You should have posted to post that I didn't respond to.

My arguments were mainly directed at radu1234, which addressed a lot of the rebuttals of my concerns. If you didn't read them to conclusion and then argue from there, that's your own choice. It's not like you haven't been active on this thread since I started posting on it. You had the opportunity all day today to read my arguments and evaluate them. You chose instead to demand that I repost them.

So you mean that the Imps glass every planet and then what? Have their elite shocktroopers just guard the charred remains?

No, i mean that they ask them to surrender and if they don't they start bombarding the planets major cities and key points to destroy their resistance. Then they send the troops to subjugate whats left of the population. That would be the scenario that would cause the least amount of damage to the Empire. Or they just send armies and armies of stormtroops to fight against the planet's forces and even so none of them gets any battle experience because they all die after a few planets conquered and others that are inexperieced come in...either way u take it, they dont get pretty much battle experience from planet conquering(maybe only the commanders).Also if they send waves of ground forces to atk a weak planet thats to stuborn to surrender, they again wont feel the fight.
After my logic(the ships atking one) a stubborn planet will still die(refering to the planet as the intelligent life form that live on it) and a smart one will surrender eventually(before to much destruction) knowing they dont have a chance so its the same as them sending ground troops but with less dmg taken.
Whats the logic of sending waves of ground forces when u have spaceships...well its your logic so why do i even ask.

Considering that my username doesn't look like I made it up by smashing my head on the keyboard in a drunken stupor and....w/e

Judgeing someone by their user name on a forum = stupid.

This doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any sense for your stupidity ... braging about how you crush your head with the door by always missing the point makes you look like a spoiled brat.

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You missed the point like always... prove the stormtroopers on the ship were inexperienced losers.

Again epic fail Mr. jAnus.

Good lord, this is sad. "All other stormtroopers are just as lame". Proof? None. Argument by assertion. No points this round, Mr 1234.

They couldnt catch a guy, a woman and teenager farmer on the ship while having lots of casualties, they couldn't catch a monkey, a woman, a robot an un-armed guy in the flying city(when they met Lando) again with casualties only on their side and they failed the crucial mission of securing the bunker that generated the shield because of losing to a monkey(that tricked them and took their AT) and a bunch of tedybears while the others were pinned down at the door. That prety much concludes what excelent "warriors" they are.

Actually, what happened is that Chewie took over one of the AT-STs which pretty much concluded the fight

The monkey fooled them into leaving the AT, the oldest trick in the book.What could have that little bear do, scratch the paint off? I can safely conclude they're just as stupid as you so...

e stormtroopers broke ranks instead of holding to Imperial fighting doctrine because they thought that the teddy bears weren't a threat.

Screw that, the entire war was at stake, they were idiots if they lost because they "broke ranks" and got wasted by a bunch of fur-balls. And also the bears took out 2 AT's and the troops lost in pretty much all the fire fights.

You fail just like they did.

Apparently, you can't understand basic concepts. I've never asked the thread creator to prove any of my "baseless assertions".

Oh yeah, you're right, it was a statement against his argument. Prove it, you dont get points here either and your already on a negative score dumbass.

...Stupid and useless proof about their weapon superiority...

Are you so idiotic that you can't god damn understand the sentence, or you can't prove it and evade it. Prove they have heigher fire rate and "bullet" speed, not that they have greater dmg. I never said our weapons are more powerful. I said they have far greater rate of fire and "bullet" speed. In the movie all the blaster shots were slower than our most basic weapons even the ones comming from thier most powerful mounted weapons.

Let's presume the best case that favors you. Their weapon wouldn't break if used on auto and had a 360 rpm(rounds per minute) rate(from it's burst but we don't know if that's the rate in automatic as well). Our most basic AK-47 weapon has about 600 rpm, almost double and can shoot the entire magazine without breaking. We own here.

It is always possible that its range and accuracy might be even greater than that of a modern assault rifle, but that's entirely academic because the limiting factor at such range is the soldier rather than the gun itself.

And they dont own us in range either so...only power while we win in rate of fire... it seems we're equal, stupid. Also the fact that a stormtrooper standing still couldnt hit Chewie from 4 meters across the hall while Chewie was running on a straight line in the opposite direction of the trooper and also nobody could basicly aim shit throught the entire seeries because of shooting like crazy before they could actually hit someone shows what accuracy the wepapon has (considering it isn't because of recoil) . We own then at acc as well so we win with 2:1 .

About clip size...an AK can hold up to 50 rounds, a mini-gun about 10k/string ...till it needs reloading, so dunno how many rounds their mounted weps can fire but i'd say under 10k(it would take them forever to shoot 10k bullets with that lame rate of fire anyway) so we're again equal if not we win.

... Again some stupid proof about the bolts having kinetical force...

Idiot, internet isn't for you, it's for ppl that can use their head to interpret correctly what is written. The beam has a huge kinetical force at an atomic level. You are hit by electrons moving with light speed every second of your miserable life, but at a much smaller intensity. Does it hurt? No, the pain you constantly feel is from your stupidity not from the light(yeah light is made of lightspeed moving electrons). It says after that: the particles transfer their kinetic energy to the atoms in the molecules of the target upon striking, much as a cue ball transfers its energy to the racked balls in billiards, thus exciting the target's atoms and superheating the target object in a short time, leading to explosion either of the surface layer or the interior of the target. Exactly what i said so they agree with me, the beam transfers a huge heat to the atoms it hits creating an explosion. The atomic particles moving at lightspeed dont have near the kinetic energy needed for you to even feel it. F=1.6749 * 10^-27 kg(mass of a neutron) * 3*10^8 m/s(light speed) =~ 5*10^-19 N(the force it hits you with)( i made the math for a neutron because it's much heavier than an electron, so the electron would have even a smaller force) ... such a force is impossible to be felt u dumbass,even if you are hit by a wall of neutrons, go to school and learn sth before you come here and debate with me.

Also the morron in the link about weapons says that they blow pieces of the wall...shockwave from explosion.... not actual pressure force,it all happens because of the intense heat dealt in a milisecond scale time. But the way he says everything makes me think he thinks the bolt actually has a great force...if so, he's a morron just like you. His sources are reliable in a way because he took them from different places, he didn't wrote what he thought, but in the places where he actually used his head he failed just like you.

... Rebel troops were usually volunteers, and by their own admission could not handle most pitched battles and skirmishes with Imperials because of lack of manpower, firepower, and sufficient training. Learn to read the books.

I was talking about all of the "warriors" the Empire fought in the Star Wars universe. About the so called planet conquering wars you say they had, not all were idiots with weapons. Also if the rebels were volunteers, how come they beat the shit out of the Empire in space dog-fights until Vader decided to interfere and help them out cause they lost so badly.

So after a couple minutes of firing rounds, the earth forces unanimously call for nukes, the "last resort"?

No,if they land in a city, after they conquer the city, to stop them, the "world leaders" would use nukes. There would be nobody to save and there are nukes small enough to only destroy a 1km radius area. If they landed somewhere with less civilisation, they would fight the invaders( better say run around cause they couldnt do shit) until they got close to a populated area and then, to stop them from killing inocent lives, they would nuke 'em and stop them.

These. Aren't. Aliens. They. Are. Humans. Duh.

Again your a morron. An alien is a creature from outer space, not necesarily non-human. Also those troops in monkey suits surely don't look like humans, try getting out of your cave and you'll see what humans look like, but don't look in a mirror or you might get the wrong idea.

The idea that earth would become incredibly desperate and resort to nukes in this situation is laughable.

I specifically mentioned we'd do this in case we couldn't even damage them.

No, they won't. History precedents include long term fighting and trying to figure out the enemy before excessive force like that is used. Hell, we fought the Japanese in some of the bloodiest land and sea battles in history before considering dropping nukes, and it's something that we vowed never to do again because of the destruction it wrought.

You morron, we never fought aliens before, we're not in one of your computer games, get out of your cave, cheap talk is everything you know. Do you actually think the world leaders would let a small army of massacreing monkey suited outer space creatures eradicate city after city, region after region just so they would understand them. WTF if you can't use your stupid head ask someone around you to use it for you.

Oh, so you're determining the possible causes, huh? You who hasn't shown enough Star Wars knowledge to even get through one forum post without sounding like an ignorant fool is determining this? Please.

This isn't Star Wars knowledge, its logic. Again you evade the question.
Also with my movie only Star Wars knowledge i beat the shit out of you in every situation, all you did was evade the point and talk crap.

omg ur doin it wrong retard lolz u need to lern hwo 2 spel i win teh debaetz!!!111ONEONEELEVEN

This is the only way you won MR. jAnus, in your stupid mind through swears, lame analogies, evading the point, cheap talk and so on...and also nobel for stupidity.

You are the first person i ever swear and respond to after you clearly can't prove shit on a forum about something so trivial as we fighting the Empire(don't get me wrong, i like the thread, but it doesnt affect me at all like fighting for a change in a computer game or so). I guess it's your ignorance, stupidity and guts to even answear in such stupid ways that pushed me...

PS: pls give me the link to the Goku vs Superman thread, i want to shit on your arguments and logic there as well since you clearly tricked everybody there with your big talk if you actually won it.

Hmm, again don't take me wrong i don't give a shit about Goku and Superman, but i just like to screw with your stupid false arguments and even so i don't totally disagree with Superman winning.

radu1234
Idiot, internet isn't for you, it's for ppl that can use their head to interpret correctly what is written.
😐

k then, i'll rectify, searching on the internet for information isn't for him...

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The EMPEROR was on the Death Star during the battle of Endor, and the Emperor being the paranoid selfish jerk that he is would have had the best troops on the Death Star because HE is on the Death Star.
Remember how people were referencing the Stormtroopers' aim when they were shooting at Luke, Leia, and Han? Was that when the Emperor was on board, or was that two movies later?

This is the part where I refuse to read radu's posts until he runs them through spellcheck, which is built right into the forum itself.

The emperor was on board, Obi-Wan stalled him so the others could escape.

Also the moment when they escaped and Luke and Hans in open space fought 5 troops. And when there were only 3 left, Hans entered the ship and Luke killed 1 of them before he left as well. Also Luke didnt have any training in blaster rifles and he shot the weapon holding it up, without any elbow support. The Imps used elbow support and they still didnt manage to hit anybody even once... that again shows how good they are and how accurate the weapon is(and these guys weren't the ones on patrol, they were the ones at the space docks that were sent on the planet if needed, not the so called n00bies that were patroling). Luke,even if force sensitive, was in open space and 5 Imps couldnt hit him even once...

thx for making me review the movie Lucien

Actually, this is the part where you lost Mr.Janus 😉

I was tempted to use bad words, but i will refrain from it since you actually said my name right.

Might it be your first on this forum ? You are pretty good with words intimidation even if you deny it by saying no moron will get intimidated on a forum.

OK, nevermind, i ran this through spellchecking:

Give me the link to "Goku vs Superman" thread you were talking about, please .

Originally posted by radu1234

OK, nevermind, i ran this through spellchecking:

Give me the link to "Goku vs Superman" thread you were talking about, please .

dude lol

I tried to run it through spellchecking to see how many words i got wrong, just for curiosity, and it said i cant edit it after 15 mins.

You told me to spellcheck about 2 hours after so...i can't, soooorryyyy .
It's the second major debate i win on this forum(this and the one with Nemesis,which was way way way more polite and ...normal and left me a good impression, that said a bullet would just disappear if it passed through a lightsaber) so just give me a link to Goku vs Superman so i can bust that as well, i'm starting to get an idea of how things work on this forum . That is: everybody talks big, criticises, evades the point and tries to look intelligent (everybody means not only Janus)