What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Once again, glad we don't use what you think as canon. It's called the Imperial Navy. In the NJO, Han even had to specifically ask for water-navy equipment.

uuuh...

first off, about my name, yeah i didnt bother busting my ass finding a name, so i just wrote mine and added numbers till i felt like stopping. Also judging someone by their name on a forum about fictional characters fighting against one another really makes you look stupid. Don't get me wrong, i like this thread in a way, but thats about it, i didnt imagine that i should bother finding a nice name on a forum i'll most likely ignore after the end of the thread just because there would be someone judging me by that name, not that i'd even care about that person. With this u just made me think ur a kid with little experience, no offence...¬.¬

No, I usually win by crushing my opponent's pathetic excuses for an argument,

hmm, that again makes me think ur a kid. With argument evading the subject just to cover ur loss doesnt prove ur statement.

No, again. I'm pointing out that the Death Star doesn't need crack assault troops to defend itself from harm. It has an array of turbolasers, a superdeathbeamfromhell, and is virtually impervious from harm.
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Early stormtroopers were clones from the Clone Wars, but later on new DNA was used for clones to fill the ranks, and regular conscription became prevalent a full nine years before ANH.

i'll just keep it short cause its begining to get stupid. The troops are dispached from the mass of available forces. You cant even distinguish them because of their armor so how do you know who's better when u order them around? They are not sent to the ship and rot there. After the end of the mission the leave and are sent somewhere else. Or go home if they're not clones or wtf, they all have fighting experience. You dont have any base to differenciate them. Also all the other stormtroopers in the seeries are just as lame so...ur supposition of these being different ppl from the ones that conquered planets(even though all they did was secure it) is totally baseless. Stop talking if you dont have proof...u said sth like that if i recall.

Also the troops that were supposed to secure the shield on that planet(so they had a super important mission) were beaten by a bunch of moving Tedy bears with sticks... stormtroops suck however u take it.

"Fake" means "not real". The English word you're searching for in vain is "False", but that would be wrong in this situation too.

oh yes, my bad here ¬.¬ ... semantics

No, your argument here is the only thing retarded, Mr 1234. You cannot ask me to prove your baseless assertion and then make an argument out of it.

then why do u expect the thread creator to prove ur baseless assertions.how do you know those stormtroopers suck ?

You must not know what a carbine is; the Imperial troops on the Death Star are using carbines in close quarters, and use single shot and burst fire for practical uses. ...

i sugest u read it again noob.No hand held weapon is automatic.They PRESUMED it was because it didnt need to load a bullet, but maybe it overheated, or its shooting process needed time. And even if they were automatic, we are discussing rate of fire here, that is far smaller than the one of our weapons even if they're automatic.
All the weapons that have heigher rate of fire in Star Wars were mounted end even those couldnt reach the rate of our hand held ones not to mention the one of our mounted ones.

Per total, our rate of fire owns anything in Star Wars.

You mentioned "it's only effect is heat", which just underlines and italicizes your ignorance. That's the point.

um...are u stupid?(retorical question) Do you even know what plasma is? Its ionized gas, its made of free electrons that dont apply pressure. I'm sure u didnt realize this because u didnt say it in none of ur posts(u just responded totally aside by insults or useless explanation, totally evading the topic), but i'll tell u that its other effect could be pressure(the effect of our amunition), but a bunch of electrons doesnt have any type of phisical weight so it cant create pressure. The explosion and fragmentation of materia it hits happens because of the super heat it has. It instantly heats what it touches making it explode. Its only effect is heat and u shouldnt be talking if you have no clue of what ur saying.

So simply surviving a bunch of battles makes all warriors equal?

Warriors? do u think we're in one of your MMO's ? They are all soldiers with special training and battle experience thats what i'm saying. Also in almost all cases(mostly in space bettles) a smaller number of enemies beats a bigger number of stormtroopers so they are better "warriors" >.>

Yes, in a forum made for debating, you actually need to make a valid argument to make your point. If not, you should actively Show The Forum Understanding.

omg u really beat the record of ignorance(i'm being kind). It is obvious...check the word in dictionary. In the case Earth's forces notice they cant actually beat the invaders( they usually notice in the first couple of minutes when they realise they cant even kill one guy), they use nukes. The last resort. They wont try to send in more jets, more armed forces all to be slaughtered by the invaders, they use what they have best.
In the case of aliens landing in a city, they will wait until it's evacuated as much as possible and try to stop the enemy in their tracks, but not fight them with the army. They wont sacrifice soldiers just for the confort of not using a nuke because its to damaging on a big area.

Also the 2 nukes used in history were extremely powerful. They can use nukes with far less power and thus far less radial destruction.

I already rebutted this, dopey. World powers don't launch nukes at invading ground forces just for kicks..

They will do it if they notice they cant stop the aliens otherwise. And they realise that pretty fast after the first wave of armed forces is obliterated without them doing any dmg.

Your assertion that all the world leaders will shit bricks and spam nukes is not only baseless, but stupid. Too bad you don't get points for both.

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Originally posted by radu1234
Do you actually consider that all the countries would just spam nukes like that without thinking?

ur tiny brain proly didnt realise that was an ironical quetion at which the answear is no ... your brain clearly needs a looooong vacation.

No, you didn't. You were just slinging shit at the wall to see what would stick, while going "nuh uh" to the opposition. This not only is a ridiculous debating tactic, but it makes you look like a troll in disguise.

Does being stupid hurt? ... i'm just curious. 2 word: obviuos/logical .

You mentioned they have recoil, prove up or shut up. Considering that Leia and Padme can use blasters with elbows locked in the movies without breaking their arms pretty much blows this out of the park.

There are 2 possible explanations for their crap aim: recoil or weapon accuracy...3 explanations including the one they were all half blinded retards but i think that fells. I'll let u pick 😉

I'm not stepping into this debate here, since I beat it to death with scans and whatnot years ago in the proper section. Suffice to say that you're wrong, ktnxbai.

if u beat it to death and nobody could complain just like u prove things here then i know why ppl on this forum voted in favor of the Imperials.

I didn't see anyone else touch on this... but it's completely wrong. The Cestus Deception and The Clone Wars make it very, very clear that troopers were trained in different places under different rules with different people, and that they develop their own individual personality and camaraderie along with their own unique battlefield experiences. They are most definitely not "the same."

Didnt see anything about this in The Clone Wars, they were all trained in the same place based on generation of course. Barnes has nothing to do with Star Wars so why is he taken in consideration ?
Dunno, but even in the PC game Republic Commando they say they are the same so...Republic Commando was made by Lucas Arts ,George Lucas's company and thus made by the creator of Star Wars

Originally posted by Lord Lucien

Ever played Battlefront (which is canon)?

Just to respond to this small point (yes, I know that I'm a hypocrite...but so is Lucien)

Battlefront is NOT 100% canon. Only the story is. Otherwise, Rancors are invincible, AT-TEs can take several hallfire missiles (even though in the movies they get destroyed by just a few), wampas have the power of jedi, stormtroopers can be harmed by ewoks (which is already sort of true), etc.

but, still a computer game is rather irelevant as well because i dont think Lucas worked at it at all, his company has a lot of branches ... dunno, still its just as reliable as any book made by someone that didnt work at the creation of Star Wars.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Just to respond to this small point (yes, I know that I'm a hypocrite...but so is Lucien)

Battlefront is NOT 100% canon. Only the story is. Otherwise, Rancors are invincible, AT-TEs can take several hallfire missiles (even though in the movies they get destroyed by just a few), wampas have the power of jedi, stormtroopers can be harmed by ewoks (which is already sort of true), etc.

Dude, you're talking about gameplay mechanics which Lucien isn't referring to. WE ALL KNOW what is canon in the game and Lucien point stands, so why bother bringing up the obvious?

I kinda agree with radu.

who said it was cannon?

that leslie guy?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Would you put your crack troops in to a giant metal ball that acts as an impregnable fortress? Bit of a waste. It's like if the elite SS were sent to guard concentration camps---no one's gonna bother attacking those things so why send your best men to protect it? And it's a common misconception that every stromtrooper was a clone. By 0 ABY, many were normal recruits.

The EMPEROR was on the Death Star during the battle of Endor, and the Emperor being the paranoid selfish jerk that he is would have had the best troops on the Death Star because HE is on the Death Star.

@Jaunus: are you saying that all of the stormtroopers that our heroes fought in the movies were the really bad ones, and that they never got to fight any of the good ones? What?????

And even if they were ambushed, they should have won.

And Radu's right: you (and Lucien) should actually respond to important stuff rather than ignore everyone's argument and just spam useless posts that make no sense.

pls (someone) give me the link to the Goku vs Superman thread... i failed to find the one where Goku actually got beaten( didnt actually search very much, its easier to ask 😛) >.>

and here i was actually thinking i'd leave the forum after this thread ^.^

Originally posted by radu1234
pls (someone) give me the link to the Goku vs Superman thread... i failed to find the one where Goku actually got beaten( didnt actually search very much, its easier to ask 😛) >.>

and here i was actually thinking i'd leave the forum after this thread ^.^

Superman would probably beat most forms of Goku, since Goku's moves take so long to charge up and Superman isn't a DBZ character so he won't just stand there and wait patiently.

You know if you don't like this thread than just don't post in it..

Unsuccessful debator is unsuccessful.

the idea was they dont fight the wars for planet conquering.The ships just bombard everything and the troops secure it and maintain order.

So you mean that the Imps glass every planet and then what? Have their elite shocktroopers just guard the charred remains?

blah blah blah my name isn't important blah blah blah redirect blah

With this u just made me think ur a kid with little experience, no offence...¬.¬

Considering that my username doesn't look like I made it up by smashing my head on the keyboard in a drunken stupor and I actually use proper capitalization, spelling (mostly), and am actually making valid points here while you jabber on like a fool, I'd have to say your "thoughts" are pretty unimportant. The way you can't actually debate worth a damn and you keep thinking other people should show proof for something you've claimed out of left field seems to support that either you are a small child or you're a very big child who wears orange and a helmet.

hmm, that again makes me think ur a kid. With argument evading the subject just to cover ur loss doesnt prove ur statement.

This doesn't make sense. "I think you're a kid because you said you crush other people's arguments". Wtf. Do you not know how to interpret the words on the screen? The ignorance is one thing, I can try to rationalize your ignorance by saying you live in a third world country that doesn't have access to materials like "books" and "Wikipedia" and "common sense", but this twisting and mindless redirecting is getting tiresome.

i'll just keep it short cause its begining to get stupid. The troops are dispached from the mass of available forces. You cant even distinguish them because of their armor so how do you know who's better when u order them around?

No, the only thing here stupid is your dogged pursuit to irritate me by arguing like a fool. You are to debating what Michael Jackson is to babysitting; a violation just waiting to happen.

Stormtroopers have designations, and units, and a dozen other identification methods so the Empire can keep track of them and their service history through use of somethin called "computers". We do the same thing today, actually.

They are not sent to the ship and rot there. After the end of the mission the leave and are sent somewhere else. Or go home if they're not clones or wtf, they all have fighting experience. You dont have any base to differenciate them.

Wrong. Stormtroopers are not all faceless entities indistinguishable from each other just because you can't tell them apart in the movies.

Also all the other stormtroopers in the seeries are just as lame so...ur supposition of these being different ppl from the ones that conquered planets(even though all they did was secure it) is totally baseless. Stop talking if you dont have proof...u said sth like that if i recall.

Good lord, this is sad. "All other stormtroopers are just as lame". Proof? None. Argument by assertion. No points this round, Mr 1234.

Also the troops that were supposed to secure the shield on that planet(so they had a super important mission) were beaten by a bunch of moving Tedy bears with sticks... stormtroops suck however u take it.

Actually, what happened is that Chewie took over one of the AT-STs which pretty much concluded the fight, and additionally, the stormtroopers broke ranks instead of holding to Imperial fighting doctrine because they thought that the teddy bears weren't a threat. This was obviously in retrospect, a bad decision, but claiming that they shouldn't have done that is committing the Historian's Fallacy. They obviously didn't think the Ewoks would outnumber them and that the Rebels would get the edge up.

One disastrous defeat does not mean the stormtroopers are failures in all other cases. You need to LEARN that the EXCEPTION is not the RULE. This battle is specifically mentioned as the largest defeat to the stormtroopers in 23 years.

then why do u expect the thread creator to prove ur baseless assertions.how do you know those stormtroopers suck ?

Apparently, you can't understand basic concepts. I've never asked the thread creator to prove any of my "baseless assertions". Just because you fail so badly at English, I'll clarify that for you in the simplest terms possible:

Baseless means it has no base or founding in the evidence.

An assertion is something claimed without a formal argument or proof.

So basically, your argument has no founding in the evidence, and you don't have any logical reason to back it up, hence you're just arguing with your head up your ass because of the grand acoustics.

i sugest u read it again noob.

The irony in this poorly typed sentence is overwhelming.

They PRESUMED it was because it didnt need to load a bullet, but maybe it overheated, or its shooting process needed time. And even if they were automatic, we are discussing rate of fire here, that is far smaller than the one of our weapons even if they're automatic.
All the weapons that have heigher rate of fire in Star Wars were mounted end even those couldnt reach the rate of our hand held ones not to mention the one of our mounted ones.

Per total, our rate of fire owns anything in Star Wars.

Firstly, you need to learn how to read:

In the canon films, these blasters were mostly used in semi-automatic mode, although rapid-fire two-shot bursts were seen twice in ANH: once during the TK-421 scene when Han Solo broke into the control room and fired two shots 1/6 seconds apart, and once during the Detention Centre break-in when Chewbacca fired two shots up at a wall-mounted laser trap, again roughly 1/6 seconds apart. Since that is too fast for semi-automatic fire, this indicates the existence of a two-shot burst mode with a 360 rpm firing rate, analogous to the three-shot burst mode available on real automatic weapons. The three-shot burst on a real assault rifle is designed to defeat body armour; contrary to popular belief, its primary purpose is not to conserve ammunition (competent soldiers are taught to do that for themselves, and they should already know that fully automatic fire is only used for rapidly clearing out confined spaces such as bunkers, trenches, and rooms).

This is on the most basic of stormtrooper weapons; a burst fire mode. Modern day armies use their ARs and SMGs on burst fire mode to defeat body armor, and going "full auto" is heavily discouraged, because ammo is scarce, because it is not accurate, and because no enemy needs a full clip to die.

Contrast this with the stormtroopers, who can kill each and every single earth soldier with a single shot, and you begin to see why "full auto" is not needed, much less wanted.

Here's more on the firepower:

The power of this gun is nearly as difficult to quantify as its range, but we've seen that it has much more knock-down power than a modern SMG or even a carbine. It can heat stormtrooper chest-plate armour to red-hot, it can blast grapefruit-sized chunks out of the Bespin walls and small pockmarks out of Death Star bulkheads, and it can even kill a man with the explosive shockwave from a near-miss. This latter capability indicates high-velocity fragmentation from the explosive power of the impact, and it was demonstrated twice in ANH: once during the Death Star detention centre break-in, when an officer was killed by a hit to the wall behind him, and once during the "Tarzan scene", when Leia fired at a stormtrooper on the upper level, hit the wall directly behind his head, and killed him with the resulting shrapnel (it must have pierced the large flexible rubber section just beneath the back of his helmet).

Again, emphasis mine. Here's more from the same page I linked you to:

The official literature provides more detailed information on range, for whatever it's worth: the SWEGWT states that the effective range of a Blastech E-11 is 100 metres with a maximum range of 300 metres (presumably when the stock is extended), which means that its range and accuracy are more like a carbine than a normal SMG. It also confirms that the weapon can be fired in fully automatic mode, but it points out that "extended automatic fire may throw the barrel out of alignment", which suggests that it is not meant for sustained automatic fire, again just like modern SMGs and carbines. Weapons like this are intended for either semi-automatic use at a distance, or short bursts of automatic fire at close range. And finally, it states that the standard power pack carries 100 shots, giving it much better ammunition capacity than modern SMGs or carbines. A man with a loaded Blastech E-11 and a dozen ammo clips would be able to fire 1300 shots before running dry.

So basically, what you have in the form of the basic stormtrooper carbine is a weapon which does more damage per shot, can be used in burst fire mode, or full auto, has a larger ammo capacity, and has dozens of reloads

Here's a tidbit on their assault rifles later on in the same page:

In other words, single pinpoint shots destroyed entire support beams, and the support beams necessary for a vehicle of such great size would have to be enormously thick and strong. Even the act of destroying the huge treads alone would require heavy firepower; a modern soldier would be hard-pressed to do that kind of damage even with direct hits from a LAW or RPG. These men had no armoured vehicles; they were a "black ops" team, using dewbacks for mobility. The only weapons they had were the guns we saw them carrying, and with those guns, they were able to destroy a vehicle the size of a small apartment building.

And this isn't even touching on the E-web repeating blaster, which is noted as being the most powerful blaster available to ground troops. You can bet one or two of those badboys would be used in chokepoints to completely annihilate earth forces who have absolutely no conventional defense against it.

So your argument about weapons? Defeated. Stop spouting it.

um...are u stupid?(retorical question) Do you even know what plasma is? Its ionized gas, its made of free electrons that dont apply pressure. I'm sure u didnt realize this because u didnt say it in none of ur posts(u just responded totally aside by insults or useless explanation, totally evading the topic), but i'll tell u that its other effect could be pressure(the effect of our amunition), but a bunch of electrons doesnt have any type of phisical weight so it cant create pressure. The explosion and fragmentation of materia it hits happens because of the super heat it has. It instantly heats what it touches making it explode. Its only effect is heat and u shouldnt be talking if you have no clue of what ur saying.

Actually, my point was that you seemed to not know what it was, spouting off that it was "just heat". You are failing to realize that most blasters are effectively particle beam weapons which do also have kinetic energy as well, which explains why Stormtroopers are knocked back and why parts of walls explode.

Here's more on the particle beam in case you didn't study it.

The general idea of particle-beam weaponry is to hit a target object with a stream of accelerated particles moving at near the speed of light and therefore carrying tremendous kinetic energy; the particles transfer their kinetic energy to the atoms in the molecules of the target upon striking, much as a cue ball transfers its energy to the racked balls in billiards, thus exciting the target's atoms and superheating the target object in a short time, leading to explosion either of the surface layer or the interior of the target. Currently, the materials for such weapons are "high-risk" and may not be developed for some time[1].

To reinforce this point:

Here's the Wookieepedia article on blasters:

The more common type was the blaster that fired a high energy particle beam that was more deadly to humanoids and other biological targets than superheated plasma (which was quite deadly anyway), but it was still effective enough against droids to put a B1 battle droid down and keep it down. Particle-beam types were also more efficient because they used less blaster gas to produce the beam than is necessary to form a plasma bolt(as plasma is a form of gas).

In particle-beam based blasters, like the E-11 used by stormtroopers, a small amount of high-energy gas moved from the gas chamber to the chamber commonly called the XCiter. In the XCiter chamber, the gas was energized by the power pack, then passed into the actuating blaster module, which, when assisted by the components in the barrel, processed the now extremely high-energy gas into a compressed beam of intense energy particles, coupled with intense light, which generated the deadly high-energy particle beam fired from most blasters. In these blasters, the combination of superhot laser-light and a compressed bolt of intense energy particles formed the deadly bolt.

There you go. That point is moot.

blah blah blah retarded personal redirect so I feel witty, blah blah

They are all soldiers with special training and battle experience thats what i'm saying. Also in almost all cases(mostly in space bettles) a smaller number of enemies beats a bigger number of stormtroopers so they are better "warriors" >.>

Besides getting off on a semantic tangent, you're being completely foolish. Rebel troops were usually volunteers, and by their own admission could not handle most pitched battles and skirmishes with Imperials because of lack of manpower, firepower, and sufficient training. Learn to read the books.

omg u really beat the record of ignorance(i'm being kind).

OMG, you're being completely retarded. I've had better debates in General Chat. Either learn to prove up or shut up. Or just do both, please.

It is obvious...check the word in dictionary. In the case Earth's forces notice they cant actually beat the invaders( they usually notice in the first couple of minutes when they realise they cant even kill one guy), they use nukes. The last resort. They wont try to send in more jets, more armed forces all to be slaughtered by the invaders, they use what they have best.

So after a couple minutes of firing rounds, the earth forces unanimously call for nukes, the "last resort"?

Do you have any real-life foundation for this belief, or are you just being obtuse?

In the case of aliens landing in a city, they will wait until it's evacuated as much as possible and try to stop the enemy in their tracks, but not fight them with the army. They wont sacrifice soldiers just for the confort of not using a nuke because its to damaging on a big area.

These. Aren't. Aliens. They. Are. Humans. Duh.

Also the 2 nukes used in history were extremely powerful. They can use nukes with far less power and thus far less radial destruction.

Yes, I already mentioned that in the other thread. Tactical nukes have yields in kilotons, but to use them against ground troops is stupid. Not only do they still cause significant damage and fallout, but use of nuclear weapons breaches more contracts than nude photos of Miss USA '09. The idea that earth would become incredibly desperate and resort to nukes in this situation is laughable.

They will do it if they notice they cant stop the aliens otherwise. And they realise that pretty fast after the first wave of armed forces is obliterated without them doing any dmg.

No, they won't. History precedents include long term fighting and trying to figure out the enemy before excessive force like that is used. Hell, we fought the Japanese in some of the bloodiest land and sea battles in history before considering dropping nukes, and it's something that we vowed never to do again because of the destruction it wrought.

Precedents or stfu, seriously. You're just wasting text now.

ur tiny brain proly didnt realise that was an ironical quetion at which the answear is no ... your brain clearly needs a looooong vacation.

omg ur doin it wrong retard lolz u need to lern hwo 2 spel i win teh debaetz!!!111ONEONEELEVEN

Does being stupid hurt? ... i'm just curious. 2 word: obviuos/logical .

Probably not, I'm sure at this rate you've built up a tolerance.

There are 2 possible explanations for their crap aim: recoil or weapon accuracy...3 explanations including the one they were all half blinded retards but i think that fells. I'll let u pick

Oh, so you're determining the possible causes, huh? You who hasn't shown enough Star Wars knowledge to even get through one forum post without sounding like an ignorant fool is determining this? Please.

blah blah blah, i be trollin blah blah no debating skillz here blah blah i should be re-educated in a gulag, blah blah

Just stop. For the sake of others, if not yourself. Go seek help. It's called "school".

@Jaunus: are you saying that all of the stormtroopers that our heroes fought in the movies were the really bad ones, and that they never got to fight any of the good ones? What?????

It's JANUS, fool. Learn to spell. And learn to read, while you're at it. You have a long standing history of not reading properly, so carefully go over my arguments and get help if you need it, but I'm not spoonfeeding you. This kind of ignorance is inexcusable.

hey do u kno that Janus (the name) is a god?

no really i'll give u the link when i get back

edit: alright here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus

lol

LOL Janus you fail. Why are you making stupid arguments that have no purpose? OK then, so you think that stormtroopers are super well trained. And maybe they are. Or maybe not. But either way, there's no reason to be so mean to everyone and argue on and on for something that is irrelevant. Earth wins. Do you disagree with that statement? Whoever does please show yourself and let's have a healthy, formal debate. Otherwise, we all agree, so why argue?

LOL Janus you fail. Why are you making stupid arguments that have no purpose?

I'm not doing that at all. You and radu1234 just can't find a way to properly address my points, so at this stage of the game, I'm not even trying to convince you anymore. You don't want to listen to reason.

OK then, so you think that stormtroopers are super well trained. And maybe they are. Or maybe not.

Read the argument, genius. I've conclusively argued that their lack of victory in the movie series does not mean that the entire organization is useless at the very thing it was created for. Once you realize that exceptions aren't the rules, you might actually get somewhere.

But either way, there's no reason to be so mean to everyone and argue on and on for something that is irrelevant. Earth wins. Do you disagree with that statement?

People who rabidly argue in the face of all common sense like you and radu1234 aren't deserving of common courtesy after a given point. I've taken time to illustrate misconceptions on both of your parts and neither of you has done anything but go "nuh uh" and then sling out some other unsupported bullshit. I care less about the "victors" of this skewed stupid thread of yours than I do about addressing the obvious lack of coherent reasoning in both of you. If someone says something which is clearly wrong and not well thought out, I have every right to call you on it.

This isn't "Sling your opinion out and call it gospel" forums. Objective and fair debating is expected of all participating members, and when you continue to just act like a troll instead of addressing my points with at least an attempt at reasoning, I reserve the right to treat you like a troll.

At least we GIVE arguments, Lucien has STILL refused to answer to my points about ignoring the stuff that I give the Empire. So have you. "oh I didn't read everything!" that's fine, but that means that you shouldn't complain about something when you're not sure about it.

At least we GIVE arguments, Lucien has STILL refused to answer to my points about ignoring the stuff that I give the Empire.

Lucien got sick and tired of your debating style and refuses to placate you. I can't say I blame him, you just want to troll your opinion all over the forums and irritate anyone who disagrees.

So have you. "oh I didn't read everything!" that's fine, but that means that you shouldn't complain about something when you're not sure about it.

If you have a concise and well-thought out argument, by all means post it for review. Or link me. But don't just go "I made an argument, u didn't reply lolz" because that's ridiculous. You didn't reply to any of the major points I made. Hell, you didn't even read them. So obviously you're being a royal hypocrite and a troll.

Here is my defense case:

Accusation: you made a spite thread.

Proof:
1. no air support
2. no intel
3. too far away from America
4. too few supplies

Defense:

1. I GAVE them air support, saying that they can have 100 tie fighters.
2. I GAVE them intel very early on into the thread.
3. I GAVE Lucien the choice of where to put them, but he ignored my question. AND, I put them in Mexico, which is RIGHT NEXT TO America
4. I GAVE them enough supplies to last form South to North America, AND Nemesis said that they didn't need supplies.

Please respond and tell me any accusations that I missed.

Here is my defense case:

Accusation: you made a spite thread.

Proof:
1. no air support

I basically said that you took away the Imperial Navy, which kind of prevents them from being carpet bombed by conventional fighters.

Defense:

1. I GAVE them air support, saying that they can have 100 tie fighters.

This would balance it somewhat. The actual utility of 100 TIE fighters is questionable, but they are highly maneuverable and have powerful weapons.

2. no intel

I never complained about this. It's kind of expected that the Imps would have intel anyways, since attacking a foreign planet blind is completely irrational.

3. too far away from America

I don't care how far they are from America. This is "Modern day earth", which last I checked was a hell of a lot bigger than America. One of the concerns I do have is that you didn't consider the logistical difficulties they would have in crossing a nation, much less a globe. In the weeks, months, or years spent conquering Nation X, the others could potentially create more airforces which would eventually take its toll on even the TIE fighters and the ground troops, depending on their use of cruise missiles and such.

4. too few supplies

It was implied that the Empire had given enough supplies for the armed forces to at least make a beachhead. Considering that conquering the globe or most of it would require astronomical resources, if you didn't include these, than it would be a serious oversight.