Originally posted by HewhoknowsallThe argument never was whether the world would capitulate if our leaders died. In times of modern total war, the practical use of national leaders is limited to symbolism. It's the generals and military leaders that matter more when it comes to the economics of war. The leaders' deaths would be more of a blow to morale.
Then that means that the argument that Earth loses via remote manipulation is busted.Next argument please.
Originally posted by radu1234It wont work, however you take it, the Empire loses. Sry Hewh.
[QUOTE=radu1234]K, in all of the battle scenarios, we would win because of number superiority and not so lame weaponry.
But what if they actually used their heads rather than their weapons?mainly Vader use his head.
Scenario 1: He lands right on top of the white house. He easly gets to the president with mind tricks:
Vader:"I'm not here!"
Security dude 1:"Ur not here. *@-|* " .
Security dude 2:"Who are you talking to ? *@-|* "Then he mind tricks the president to give orders(and the codes) to shot all the nuclear rockets they have at the entire world(hit the largest cities of the world) except Russia and China in... the time it takes him to get to Moscow with a passanger plane(he mind tricks the airport security into letting him pass). He gets to Moscow(when he gets there, US starts shooting...), to the prime minister again through mind tricks all the way and mind tricks him into shooting Russias entire nuclear arsenal at the whole world except China and US. (again at the worlds major cities)
Everybody will think the 2 of them are together and want to take over the world...
In the meantime the rest of Vaders forces will land somewhere in China(3rd nuclear power) and Vader again will take a plane from Russia to China.
And the nuclear bombardment starts. The entire world will turn against US and Russia and start a world war thinking they made a pact and try to take over the world while the 2 still hate each other and wont help each other. Vader, that got to China mind tricks Chinas president into staying neutral. After the war ends, with massive dmg over the entire world, China ...with Vader as underground ruler takes over the remaining world. Nobody will dare atk China when they're neutral cause nobody will want to have to face the 3rd most powerful nuclear country along with what they already have to face. The basic idea is that everything will start suddenly and end when all the nukes are shot... just as sudden creating a total chaos in which nobody knows what actually happened. About 80% of the planet will be in ruins and China will easly take over whats left...
Thats how Vader,using his brain would be able to defeat us
Unless you can find something to bring down this scenario(it's kinda exagerated, but possible), this is the Empire's only chance. [/QUOTE]
Wait...the Empire loses unless if I can disprove the arguments for the Empire? Shouldn't that be the opposite?
Rulers are (hopefully) not weakminded.
holy mother of .... How the hell did you ppl respond so fast. OMG
The Empire loses in all scenarios except the one i presented unless someone manages to take it down. So the Empire has only one chance left...
Trust me, the leaders not falling for Vaders mind tricks is the last problem of my scenario. Ppl that dont even know what force is will be easly manipulated by a master of the force such as Vader.
And presidents are stupid, there are others that think for them in most cases.
Originally posted by radu1234
holy mother of .... How the hell did you ppl respond so fast. OMGThe Empire loses in all scenarios except the one i presented unless someone manages to take it down. So the Empire has only one chance left...
Trust me, the leaders not falling for Vaders mind tricks is the last problem of my scenario. Ppl that dont even know what force is will be easly manipulated by a master of the force such as Vader.
And presidents are stupid, there are others that think for them in most cases.
Actually, it takes more than a high school graduate and straight Cs to become the leader of the world's most powerful countries (*waits for anti American rant*)
And Cilghal failed to use a mind trick against some random GFFA guard: here that Gideon? GFFA soldiers were at least stronger willed than Imperials troops BASED ON THAT GUARD.
Originally posted by radu1234
holy mother of .... How the hell did you ppl respond so fast. OMGThe Empire loses in all scenarios except the one i presented unless someone manages to take it down. So the Empire has only one chance left...
Trust me, the leaders not falling for Vaders mind tricks is the last problem of my scenario. Ppl that dont even know what force is will be easly manipulated by a master of the force such as Vader.
And presidents are stupid, there are others that think for them in most cases.
I don't respond fast... I just check every like 30 min.
I just respond to ppl who respond fast
lol.
this is basically what happens:
1)I reply to something
2)I go back to the versus forum and something new pops up
3)I reply to that one and go back to the versus forum again and another new thing pops up
4)I reply then go to the lit and EU section and respond to that.
5)I go back to the versus and something isthere. then I do my studying.. lol
Actually, it takes more than a high school graduate and straight Cs to become the leader of the world's most powerful countries (*waits for anti American rant*)
it only takes a certain age my dear friend
We are considering Vader can stop and tank shell, but he cant manipulate a guy that doesnt even know what force is ?
And Cilghal failed to use a mind trick against some random GFFA guard: here that Gideon? GFFA soldiers were at least stronger willed than Imperials troops BASED ON THAT GUARD.
No idea who Cilghal is, not which scenario you refer 2
this is basically what happens: 1)I reply to something 2)I go back to the versus forum and something new pops up 3)I reply to that one and go back to the versus forum again and another new thing pops up 4)I reply then go to the lit and EU section and respond to that. 5)I go back to the versus and something isthere. then I do my studying.. lol
Here's what i do :
1)Refresh
2)Go to point 1)
3)Scratch my ass
4) Go to point 1)
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
..again. And so did Lucien in the Victory one: it appears that as soon as I make an argument that they cannot counter they just ignore me.
perhaps they just don't respond as fast as you do... Its not like I check every 5 seconds to who resonded.
And Lucien did in fact answered kindly to your posts in the other thread.
i hope you guys realised that i never get to scratch my ass cause from 2 i always go to 1 😛
it only takes a certain age my dear friend
We are considering Vader can stop and tank shell, but he cant manipulate a guy that doesnt even know what force is ?
No idea who Cilghal is, not which scenario you refer 2
Here's what i do :1)Refresh
2)Go to point 1)
3)Scratch my ass
4) Go to point 1)
43 pages already... let's bring it to 50 ppl come oonk, really going to sleep now
like dude when you wake up in like 9 hrs.. try to use the edit button, instead of quadruple posting..
btw the edit button has a window of 15 min. before you can't edit your posts.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
..again. And so did Lucien in the Victory one: it appears that as soon as I make an argument that they cannot counter they just ignore me.
Nope, that's you who actually does that and automatically assumes everyone else does.
But like kotorfan says, he did respond and you didn't [you]so obviously you cannot counter.[/you]