Scathan vs. Tiamut

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fulcrum is not TOAA. (there's no proof of any kind that even alludes to this notion)

In fact, by him stating Taimut rivals him in any sense of the word certifies this.

TOAA doesn't deal with his drawings (the Omniverse and its inhabitants)
in that fashion either.

The Fulcrum is indeed obviously very powerful,
but the Fulcrum is just another drawing of TOAA's.

I came to this conclusion due to the nature of the Fulcrum's conversation with Taimut,
in comparison with TOAA's talk with the FF, Spidey and Supreme.

Going by the way the writer makes him speak as a way of determining if he's TOAA is not a good way to do so. If you go by what The Fulcrum says in the comic he's above LT. And if you go by what LT says then that makes him TOAA. The Dreaming Celestial, who is the strongest one (stronger than Scathan), calls The Fulcrum "All-powerful, and all-knowing" and says that he's what holds all of reality together. That points to him being more TOAA than the way the writers portrayed his speech.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Going by the way the writer makes him speak as a way of determining if he's TOAA is not a good way to do so. If you go by what The Fulcrum says in the comic he's above LT. And if you go by what LT says then that makes him TOAA. The Dreaming Celestial, who is the strongest one (stronger than Scathan), calls The Fulcrum "All-powerful, and all-knowing" and says that he's what holds all of reality together. That points to him being more TOAA than the way the writers portrayed his speech.

and yet your taking him saying to Tiamut that he's equal in power because he QUESTIONED things while others did to mean he's just as power. He's only talking about the questioning/conscience aspect of things. It's really ludicris to think now that Tiamut can do anything it pleases the "pen" like the TOAA. He even says he's all knowing and all powerful which is thus ABOVE HIM. Why you guys take these huge leaps and make a celestial equal to TOAA is beyond me. He was only talking about him breaking the bonds and questioning things.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Going by the way the writer makes him speak as a way of determining if he's TOAA is not a good way to do so. If you go by what The Fulcrum says in the comic he's above LT. And if you go by what LT says then that makes him TOAA. The Dreaming Celestial, who is the strongest one (stronger than Scathan), calls The Fulcrum "All-powerful, and all-knowing" and says that he's what holds all of reality together. That points to him being more TOAA than the way the writers portrayed his speech.

What is the purpose of the LT when there are beings above him besides TOAA? LT can't govern the multiverse over beings he can't control. Did TOAA fire him or something?

Laid off, TOAA is outsourcing.

No one's above the LT save for TOAA...

Originally posted by h1a8
What is the purpose of the LT when there are beings above him besides TOAA? LT can't govern the multiverse over beings he can't control. Did TOAA fire him or something?

Originally posted by Enyalus
No one's above the LT save for TOAA...

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom

We previously agreed that Doom was beyond tiers, remember?

Oh yea, you're right, my bad

Originally posted by LDHZenkai

Going by the way the writer makes him speak as a way of determining if he's TOAA is not a good way to do so.

And that's exactly how I know this Fulcrum is not TOAA,
by the expression in the conversations.

TOAA speaks like a human representing himself through an avatar,
while this Taimut and this Fulcrum believe they're really "al knowing" or whatever.

TOAA knows they (there's two of them that make up the title)
are NOT "all knowing" ...

Why?

Because TOAA is a representative avatar of a creative but limited mind (real human being)
and this is how he's always been portrayed on panel. (4 times)

The artist half of TOAA stated on panel that he did not know what happens next,
until he draws it,
and besides that,
he can't even do that until the ideas are given to him by his "collaborator" (the writer)

Originally posted by LDHZenkai

If you go by what The Fulcrum says in the comic he's above LT.
And if you go by what LT says then that makes him TOAA.

Nothing in the entire new Eternals run suggest such a ridiculous notion.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai

The Dreaming Celestial, who is the strongest one (stronger than Scathan), calls The Fulcrum "All-powerful, and all-knowing"
and says that he's what holds all of reality together.

Being called "all powerful" and "all knowing"
(big deal, the LT not only has been called that, (by the narrator/writer himself)
but it's even advertised in the powers description in his bio,
meh, the IG alone makes one absolutely omnipotent, so again, meh)

"Holds all reality together?" ... 😂
(heck, Galactus holds all reality together just by existing)

This Fulcrum is being over-hyped imo.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai

That points to him being more TOAA than the way the writers portrayed his speech.

for those who said Scathan win..why do u guys think that??is it because he beat Protege so u guys put him above LT??if Scathan can be above LT..why not Tiamut??

Because Scathan has feats showing his power?

I think Scathan is below LT though, so. 🙂

Why is Tiamut stronger then Scathan? Because Fulcrum said so.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because Scathan has feats showing his power?

I think Scathan is below LT though, so. 🙂

i think Scathan is below LT too..and that means him beating Protege is nonsense cuz even LT can't beat Protege..if he really did..that puts him above LT..so..what feat of him showing his power are u talking about??

Originally posted by Enyalus
I do think the Fulcrum is TOAA. I think it was in the previous issue that Tiamut states the Fulcrum is all powerful and all knowing. And had ignored his request for assistance.

...Perhaps that was in this issue. But w/e. If a celestial talks about something being 'all powerful and all knowing' I think it should be taken seriously, considering the nature of the Celestials themselves.

This doesn't mean anything. Other beings have been called omnipotent or omniscient or both in the past who are clearly not TOAA. I remember in Quasar Gruenwald referred to almost all cosmic characters as being "omnipotent". That concept gets thrown around entirely too much in comics.

I have but one comment to that:

**** Gruenwald. Always trying to slip mini retcons in everywhere. **** that dead bastard.

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That's just picking-nits. It's been thrown around by many writers many times. In Adventures of the X-Men #12 the LT was referred to as being all-powerful and all-knowing, does that make him TOAA?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
That's just picking-nits. It's been thrown around by many writers many times. In Adventures of the X-Men #12 the LT was referred to as being all-powerful and all-knowing, does that make him TOAA?

...His bios refer to him like that, too. Giving the LT omnipotence and omniscience. So, he is all powerful and all knowing.

...Anywho, I see your point and I don't know why I initially said what I did, anyway. I don't think the Fulcrum is TOAA.

😐 I was at work when I typed that and clearly wasn't paying attention. My apologies.

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