Scathan vs. Tiamut

I still don't see how people can't understand this. The Celestials follow what The Fulcrum told them to do. They refer to The Fulcrum as all knowing and All powerful. Scathan's power is right up there with LT. And it's stated on panel that Scathan isn't the strongest Celestial, Tiamut is. It's stated Tiamut is as powerful as The Fulcrum (the one who made the celestials). It's stated The Fulcrum is the essence that holds reality in it's place. Show me a scan where it says that about any other Cosmic beings. And in case you are unaware of what essence means:
1 a: the permanent as contrasted with the accidental element of being b: the individual, real, or ultimate nature of a thing especially as opposed to its existence. So the Fulcrum is the ultimate nature of reality. And another way to tell that Tiamut is the strongest Celestial...The Fulcrum says so. As i've already shown scans of. Don't know how any of you are arguing about whats printed. The Fulcrum says other celestials have come close and gained greater power than what they initially had but that Tiamut is the only one to reach his level.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
I still don't see how people can't understand this. The Celestials follow what The Fulcrum told them to do. They refer to The Fulcrum as all knowing and All powerful. Scathan's power is right up there with LT. And it's stated on panel that Scathan isn't the strongest Celestial, Tiamut is.

See, Scathan's from the future...over a thousand years into the future. So in this current, 616 timeline, Scathan might not even be born yet. So yeah, Tiamut is the strongest Celestial in the current MU. Scathan is the strongest in the future, 691 timeline.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
I still don't see how people can't understand this. The Celestials follow what The Fulcrum told them to do. They refer to The Fulcrum as all knowing and All powerful. Scathan's power is right up there with LT. And it's stated on panel that Scathan isn't the strongest Celestial, Tiamut is. It's stated Tiamut is as powerful as The Fulcrum (the one who made the celestials). It's stated The Fulcrum is the essence that holds reality in it's place. Show me a scan where it says that about any other Cosmic beings. And in case you are unaware of what essence means:
1 a: the permanent as contrasted with the accidental element of being b: the individual, real, or ultimate nature of a thing especially as opposed to its existence. So the Fulcrum is the ultimate nature of reality. And another way to tell that Tiamut is the strongest Celestial...The Fulcrum says so. As i've already shown scans of. Don't know how any of you are arguing about whats printed. The Fulcrum says other celestials have come close and gained greater power than what they initially had but that Tiamut is the only one to reach his level.

First and foremost you're ASSUMING the Fulcrum is TOAA and secondly Tiamut has no feats that match Scathans. Scathan was proven to be more powerful than another "all-powerful, all-knowing being" the LT.

Originally posted by Enyalus
See, Scathan's from the future...over a thousand years into the future. So in this current, 616 timeline, Scathan might not even be born yet. So yeah, Tiamut is the strongest Celestial in the current MU. Scathan is the strongest in the future, 691 timeline.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
First and foremost you're ASSUMING the Fulcrum is TOAA and secondly Tiamut has no feats that match Scathans. Scathan was proven to be more powerful than another "all-powerful, all-knowing being" the LT.

what??u think Scathan > LT..doesn't that makes him TOAA..

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
First and foremost you're ASSUMING the Fulcrum is TOAA and secondly Tiamut has no feats that match Scathans. Scathan was proven to be more powerful than another "all-powerful, all-knowing being" the LT.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
They're in a place outside of time when he tells Tiamut that he's the most powerful Celestial. And he says ever....if you exist outside of time and you use the ever i think that means in all of existence.

Hm. I can see that...

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Well we all know The Fulcrum is above all of the Celestials except for tiamut. It says it on panel. Don't know how that fact is evading your comprehension. Should I post the scans again?

What difference do you think that makes? Scathan>>>>All other Celestials.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What difference do you think that makes? Scathan>>>>All other Celestials.

Plus, Scathan was never beaten by Ashema and the FF. Hehe.

EDIT: Meh, Doom helped with that victory though, so it might not be such a low feat.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
what??u think Scathan > LT..doesn't that makes him TOAA..

I know he's > the LT. He defeated a being more powerful than the LT. The LT needed to supplement his own power just to pass judgement on Protege.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
What difference do you think that makes? Scathan>>>>All other Celestials.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
I know he's > the LT. He defeated a being more powerful than the LT. The LT needed to supplement his own power just to pass judgement on Protege.

so..u r ok with Scathan being more powerful than the LT..but not the Fulcrum and Tiamut??

the Fulcrum says that the Celestials are his device..Scathan is a Celestial..

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Not according to the guy who made them. But that's cool. You continue to argue about what was said on panel without telling me what makes it not true.

Again, you're assuming that the Fulcrum is TOAA. There's no proof to support this.

Fact: Scathan has done more ON PANEL than Tiamut. Tiamut has done, well, nothing.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
so..u r ok with Scathan being more powerful than the LT..but not the Fulcrum and Tiamut??

the Fulcrum says that the Celestials are his device..Scathan is a Celestial..

Do you honestly believe Scathan is your average Celestial? He's not eve referred to as just "Celestial" in that story.

As to am I ok with it? Sure, why not? While it does say the LT is 2nd only to TOAA, does it say he has to be?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Again, you're assuming that the Fulcrum is TOAA. There's no proof to support this.

Fact: Scathan has done more ON PANEL than Tiamut. Tiamut has done, well, nothing.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Even if we assume he's not TOAA he's still the guy who made the Celestials and he says Tiamut is the strongest of them ever....The Fulcrum exist outside of time...so when he says ever he really means EVER. Tiamuts greatest feat? The guy who made the celestials said he was the only one of them on his level. Seems like a pretty good one to me.

Fulcrum exsists now. Scathan exsists 1.000+ yrs in the future, we have no clue what happens between now and then.

That would be an interesting feat if you believe the Fulcrum>The LT. Stating that just because the Fulcrum created the Celestials makes him something special is going out a limb. Before now it was stated that Eternity created the Celestials.

LT>>>Eternity.

And LT > Fulcrum, unless Marvel says otherwise

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Fulcrum exsists now. Scathan exsists 1.000+ yrs in the future, we have no clue what happens between now and then.

That would be an interesting feat if you believe the Fulcrum>The LT. Stating that just because the Fulcrum created the Celestials makes him something special is going out a limb. Before now it was stated that Eternity created the Celestials.

LT>>>Eternity.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
And LT > Fulcrum, unless Marvel says otherwise

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Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Do you honestly believe Scathan is your average Celestial? He's not eve referred to as just "Celestial" in that story.

As to am I ok with it? Sure, why not? While it does say the LT is 2nd only to TOAA, does it say he has to be?

doesn't change the fact that he is a Celestial..and he answer to the Fulcrum..means Fulcrum > Scathan...and Tiamut = Falcrum..is that so hard to believe..

and don't say he's from the future so he's deferent..time line doesn't mean anything to people like LT or other cosmic on that level..