Originally posted by Naija boyIt is common sense that Glads lost his confidence. Look at his face when Surfer caught his fist and then look at his face when he sees the board coming.
Gladiator confidence doesnt go down simply because he is hurt by an oppoenent. His confidence goes down when he is seemingly failing against an opponent he believes not to be on his level. Gladiator new the power of surfer very well in that scenario. He wasnt Jello at all.lol
Surfer doesnt need to track anyone. His board is fast enough to attack them before they mount any form of attack. Its much much faster than them. [/B][/QUOTE] False, I can show you some scans where it took Surfer some seconds just to accelerate to ftl speeds.
Surfer doesn't have greater initial acceleration than both Supes and Glads.
His board speed does vary greatly in battle vs. out of battle. He has never traveled >100c or even 10c when fighting.
His board speed does not vary in or out of battle. surfer does not even need to be on it, so his personal reflexes are irrelevant here. He is mentally commanding his board. His board acceleration will also accelerate faster than them because not only does it have flat out faster acceleration speed(please show me this "instant speed of supermans"😉, but also superman and glads arent going to come out speeding from the get go looking to immediately take out surfer(not in character) while surfer will come out with evrythin he has from the get go trying to kill them. Hence immediate board bullrush dismemberment is a valid attack for him but them trying to take him out in the first second of the fight isnt valid for them.
Again, even assuming so, Surfer doesn't have the reflexes to navigate his board at its top speed within a battle distance.
There is no proof that Surfer's initial acceleration is greater than theirs. Saying so is pure speculation. But know that there is evidence that says that Surfer's initial acceleration is less than theirs.
It is out of character for the team to come out trying to kill Surfer from the get go but certainly not out of character if they come blitzing him to ko him. For they have done this tactic before. Is it out of character for Surfer to come out blitzing with his top speed? You must be fair to both.
You assume they are so much slower than him that they would just be sitting there while he takes out the whole team before any one could act. How silly.
Not really. Given the fact that they arent going to come out instantly with guns ablazing in the same manner that he will, he is very likely to get the jump on them and succeed in taking them out before they can mount any useful offense.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is common sense that Glads lost his confidence. Look at his face when Surfer caught his fist and then look at his face when he sees the board coming.
Yes glads confidence may have gone down. But certainly not to the point where his body was like "jello" as u ridiculously put it. Glads already had a clear guage of surfers ablilities and knew he was extremely powerful beforehand.
urfer doesnt need to track anyone. His board is fast enough to attack them before they mount any form of attack. Its much much faster than them. [/B]False, I can show you some scans where it took Surfer some seconds just to accelerate to ftl speeds. Surfer doesn't have greater initial acceleration than both Supes and Glads.[/QUOTE]
And i can show u a scan where it has taken superman a few seconds to accelerate to the point of light speed as well. Surfer has shown on more than one occasion that he can hit light speed and above nearly instantly when he chooses to. The infinity guantlet grab is a clear example of this as well as this incident where he immediately hits light speed to penetrate Jakaars defenses while he is only like a hundred feet away.
Also u keep ignoring the fact that immediately using his board to attack them at full speed is a valid tactic for exiles surfer while immediately rushing surfer at lightspeed is not a valid tactic for supes or glads.
His board speed does vary greatly in battle vs. out of battle. He has never traveled >100c or even 10c when fighting. Again, even assuming so, Surfer doesn't have the reflexes to navigate his board at its top speed within a battle distance.
Simpy false. Surfers board speed DOES NOT vary in or out of battle it is fixed. Surfer not having moved at his top speed during battle is as a result of his character and not varying speed. Further you once again ignored the fact that surfers reflexes dont matter here. He wont even be on his board when initiating the attack. He is navigating the board mentally. The board itself will be doing the attacking NOT surfer. Also though its irrelevant surfer himself CAN navigate his board at extremely high speeds in battle distance as seen
here
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There is no proof that Surfer's initial acceleration is greater than theirs. Saying so is pure speculation. But know that there is evidence that says that Surfer's initial acceleration is less than theirs.
Actually there is proof. As seen in the infinity guantlet grab and the example i showed above.
It is out of character for the team to come out trying to kill Surfer from the get go but certainly not out of character if they come blitzing him to ko him. For they have done this tactic before. Is it out of character for Surfer to come out blitzing with his top speed? You must be fair to both.
FTL blitz from the get go is out of character for them. At the very least it is for superman (id lie to see where he used this tactic EVER). For regular surfer it is out of character for him to bullrush with his board top speed to try and kill his opponent. For exiles surfer it is within his character. He will have no problems immediately trying to kill them with his board (mentally controlled, not while he is on it). being "fair' has no bearing here, its either its in character or it isnt.
You assume they are so much slower than him that they would just be sitting there while he takes out the whole team before any one could act. How silly.
No thats not it at all. The fact is that the team ISNT going to come out FTL blitzing him from the get go while he will be come out doing his best to kill them with his board blitz(mentally controlled). So not only is his board considerably faster, he will further get the jump on them with the viciousness of his tactics. So he will do considerable damage to the team before they can mount any considerable attack.
Originally posted by Naija boyI'll drop this.
Yes glads confidence may have gone down. But certainly not to the point where his body was like "jello" as u ridiculously put it. Glads already had a clear guage of surfers ablilities and knew he was extremely powerful beforehand.
Remember in comics things aren't drawn to scale in space. Surfer could have been at least several miles away. Also that scan doesn't show him hitting light speed instantly. It could have taken him 1 second or more. Distance doesn't equal time.
And i can show u a scan where it has taken superman a few seconds to accelerate to the point of light speed as well. Surfer has shown on more than one occasion that he can hit light speed and above nearly instantly when he chooses to. The infinity guantlet grab is a clear example of this as well as this incident where he immediately hits light speed to penetrate Jakaars defenses while he is only like a hundred feet away.
Why not? They have done it before. Also since you question their stupidity being the reason why they wouldn't do it then we must question Surfer's stupidity as well. He hasn't done it so he is too stupid to do so as well. Ruthlessness has nothing to do with intelligence.
Also u keep ignoring the fact that immediately using his board to attack them at full speed is a valid tactic for exiles surfer while immediately rushing surfer at lightspeed is not a valid tactic for supes or glads.
Ko comes quickly if Surfer is not on his board.
Simpy false. Surfers board speed DOES NOT vary in or out of battle it is fixed. Surfer not having moved at his top speed during battle is as a result of his character and not varying speed. Further you once again ignored the fact that surfers reflexes dont matter here. He wont even be on his board when initiating the attack. He is navigating the board mentally. The board itself will be doing the attacking NOT surfer. Also though its irrelevant surfer himself CAN navigate his board at extremely high speeds in battle distance as seen
herehttp://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/silversurfer07p40.jpg
andhere
Surfer can travel greater than 10C out of battle but he has never traveled that fast in battle. You also have to have reflexes to mentally control the board moving at its top speed. Remember the team will be moving here. Also the scan where he says "I can move faster than light" doesn't mean he instantly moved faster than light. He could have been speeding up to light speed and beyond and only reached it after he finished his sentence.
Yes the IG grab is decent proof. But know this, Thanos telegraphed the punch. As he cocks back Surfer begins to move. And it seems Thanos had his hand up thinking about whether he should hit CA or not. So I say it took him a half second to reach light speed and beyond. Impressive.
Actually there is proof. As seen in the infinity guantlet grab and the example i showed above.
Out of character because of their stupidity? Well it is out of character for exiles Surfer as well. Ruthlessness doesn't prove non stupidity. Only actual showings do.
FTL blitz from the get go is out of character for them. At the very least it is for superman (id lie to see where he used this tactic EVER). For regular surfer it is out of character for him to bullrush with his board top speed to try and kill his opponent. For exiles surfer it is within his character. He will have no problems immediately trying to kill them with his board (mentally controlled, not while he is on it). being "fair' has no bearing here, its either its in character or it isnt.
Superman and Glads have come out blitzing before. The board is not faster than them in this battle because
No thats not it at all. The fact is that the team ISNT going to come out FTL blitzing him from the get go while he will be come out doing his best to kill them with his board blitz(mentally controlled). So not only is his board considerably faster, he will further get the jump on them with the viciousness of his tactics. So he will do considerable damage to the team before they can mount any considerable attack.
It is impossible for Surfer to win here. Now I might give him the win vs. any one character. But against this team? Impossible.
But it is amazing how one allows their character to perform tactics that were never shown by them and disallow tactics from others even when it has been shown by them before.
Assuming that all the character's Surfer fought were equal to their 616 counterparts then Surfer loses because he's not faster (nor can he attack faster) than the collective team. If they attack him simultaneously then he would be at a disadvantage. 3 members on the team have powerful long ranged attacks too.
I'll admit that this Surfer could probably beat each character one on one (Superman would be tough though).
Originally posted by Genii96good luck explaining how 1 character can defend well against 2 other characters of equal or greater combat speed, especially when the 3 characters are attacking him at the simultaneously. Hell, I'll even argue that Superman alone is fast enough to hit him.
I think those debaters don't need to lose any more brain cells replying to you....
