silver surfer (Exiles 87) vs superman, thor, hulk, gladiator

Started by kgkg10 pages

Originally posted by Makky
...even his classic self was more powerfully written.
So why would you call him skyfather if his classic self was written more powerful ?

Originally posted by kgkg
So why would you call him skyfather if his classic self was written more powerful ?

He's got the odinforce, technically he should be skyfather. Marvel just doesn't seem to know how to write for Thor anymore, by feats I wouldn't consider current Thor skyfather but regardless he still is. It's sort of how like LT doesn't really have a lot of feats but we know just by his status that he is a surpreme being.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
lmfao, yes, yes it would.

Depends. If we asume for the sake of argument that the powerlevel of the eings he faced in his universe are comparable to their 616 counterpart then it woulnd tbe a stomp by any stretch of the imagination. If we dont make such an assumption however then there is little to debate in the fisrt place eeing as his powerlevel will be totally ambiguous.

Originally posted by Makky
Somone like Lightray once created a entire sun on a whim, and even someone like Jordan was able to recreated a planet if I'm not mistaken. At any rate I'm not diputing that Thor isn't skyfather, just that by ocmparison to his old man he sucks....even his classic self was more powerfully written.
he did'nt create, he resurrected the race and asgard itself.

Odin was only portrayed as being more powerful because he was in more comic's, current thor has only been it about 20 and classic thor never beat a skfather or the destroyer like current Thor did.

Originally posted by Makky
Yes really, featless alternate earth means nothing. Exiiles SS doesn't even have any speedfeats to even suggest he could tag supes or 616 Glads, this is a major stomp in favor of the team.

And yet you were the one claiming that he was more powerful than 616 surfer. lmao. Get ur idiocy out of here.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Depends. If we asume for the sake of argument that the powerlevel of the eings he faced in his universe are comparable to their 616 counterpart then it woulnd tbe a stomp by any stretch of the imagination. If we dont make such an assumption however then there is little to debate in the fisrt place eeing as his powerlevel will be totally ambiguous.

That's typically how alternate realities work, most people would assume the latter. It either becomes one or the other, IMO altnerate realites are fun to debate for this reason, thus I always give perference to the prime universes unless there is some direct confrontationation between the 2.

Edit: Yeah even if I think exiles SS is more powerful then current SS it still doesn't mean I think he can take this team.

Originally posted by Nihilist
he did'nt create, he resurrected the race and asgard itself.

Odin was only portrayed as being more powerful because he was in more comic's, current thor has only been it about 20 and classic thor never beat a skfather or the destroyer like current Thor did.

Classic Thor has fought off cosmic entities before, I pound for pound he was written better then his current self.

Originally posted by Makky
That's typically how alternate realities work, most people would assume the latter. It either becomes one or the other, IMO altnerate realites are fun to debate for this reason, thus I always give perference to the prime universes unless there is some direct confrontationation between the 2.

Edit: Yeah even if I think exiles SS is more powerful then current SS it still doesn't mean I think he can take this team.


Why do you think that he'd take 616 Surfer if...

Originally posted by Makky
Yes really, featless alternate earth means nothing. Exiiles SS doesn't even have any speedfeats to even suggest he could tag supes or 616 Glads, this is a major stomp in favor of the team.

Originally posted by Makky
He's got the odinforce, technically he should be skyfather. Marvel just doesn't seem to know how to write for Thor anymore, by feats I wouldn't consider current Thor skyfather but regardless he still is. It's sort of how like LT doesn't really have a lot of feats but we know just by his status that he is a surpreme being.
Even feats wise it's pretty obviously this Thor is more powerful

maybe not you convention Skyfather level... certainly not Odin's level

But there has been few statement made that this Thor is more powerful than his classic self.

other than Rulk he has done pretty well.

ie. Destroyer , Super Skrull , Bor

Originally posted by darthgoober
Why do you think that he'd take 616 Surfer if...

Simply put, because exiles SS wasn't a pussy so I would assume he would use his powers to there full effect.

Originally posted by Makky
Simply put, because exiles SS wasn't a pussy so I would assume he would use his powers to there full effect.

Yeah but...

Originally posted by Makky
Yes really, featless alternate earth means nothing. Exiiles SS doesn't even have any speedfeats to even suggest he could tag supes or 616 Glads, this is a major stomp in favor of the team.

Originally posted by kgkg
Even feats wise it's pretty obviously this Thor is more powerful

maybe not you convention Skyfather level... certainly not Odin's level

But there has been few statement made that this Thor is more powerful than his classic self.

other than Rulk he has done pretty well.

ie. Destroyer , Super Skrull , Bor

I can't let that rulk incident go...I try but I just can't do it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but...

Im making a assumption, alternate realites are featless so I do toss them aside but it still doesn't mean I can't appreciate certain aspects about them.

Originally posted by Makky
Classic Thor has fought off cosmic entities before, I pound for pound he was written better then his current self.
fought off,never defeated.

Originally posted by Nihilist
fought off,never defeated.

It's still a testament, Thanos has never defeeated a skyfather but he's fought off and in some situations done well IMO.

Originally posted by Makky
Yes really, featless alternate earth means nothing. Exiiles SS doesn't even have any speedfeats to even suggest he could tag supes or 616 Glads, this is a major stomp in favor of the team.

Flying across the universe in roughly three hours doesn't count, right?

If it meant something sure, but to bad this isn't a race but just another usless travel feat from SS again.

Originally posted by Makky
It's still a testament, Thanos has never defeeated a skyfather but he's fought off and in some situations done well IMO.
thanos defeated maker who was skyfather, but thanos has nothing to do with this fight.

And you're point still is?

Originally posted by Nihilist
thanos defeated maker who was skyfather, but thanos has nothing to do with this fight.

And you're point still is?

The maker had NOOOOOOO skyfather level feats, and she was incredibly weak to telepathy.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The maker had NOOOOOOO skyfather level feats, and she was incredibly weak to telepathy.
not all sky fathers are strong against telepathy.

she blinked out of existance 64,000 people in a isntant,ko'd thanos with one blast something tyrant and odin couldnt do.As well gladiator and starlord stated that she could easily reverse the crunch energy's and destroy everthing.The beyonder is easily cosmic lvl all maker was i mortal form just like other skyfathers.