Hardly, the way he uses the sword its like a shield half the time, the thing is huge and he often has it close to his face or in front of him before his opponents fire anyway, also blocking bullets is not the same as doging one, especially at close range or moving as quickly as one.
Sephiroth can do very little and wtf do you mean "looked" he has never riped someones head off with TK. Sephiroth is not fast enough.
Barret
"Ugh...! Is this...... the true power of Sephiroth?"
Cid
"My... my body... I can't control my body...... Uuugh!?"
(Sephiroth draws the party nearer with his mental powers, only to torment
them with another fire ring.)
Red XIII
"My front legs...... my hind legs...... my tail's about to tear
off!!"
Cait Sith
"This is definitely not good...... He's way outta our league..."
Yuffie
"I, I don't know if I can... go on..."
(The screen flashes and the party spins in the air like toys.)
That was when he was toying with them. Logically, he could easily rip people apart.
logically? where do you get that rubbish from? breaking bones is far more of a feat with TK than just moving some limbs about and pulling a dogs tail lol.....
Ridiculous...
By your logic, if Kain can lift Moebius' weight he should be easily able to rip off an arm, leg or the head off sephiroth....
not to mention Kain could immedialtey stop any of that nonsense with an instant mist transformation, then dispurse Sephiroths cells into a murky black cloud with his own TK......
1. He said that it FELT like it was TEARING, meaning it was obviously barely a forceful rip,
2. The whole scene is a hint, hes getting information out of Moebius, not killing him.
3. You cant rip off someones head when its nothing but mist, since Sephiroth cannot use his TK to stop or disrupt small objects like Kain can.
4. But Kain has Tked cells you silly little boy
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. He said that it [b]FELT like it was TEARING, meaning it was obviously barely a forceful rip,2. The whole scene is a hint, hes getting information out of Moebius, not killing him.
3. You cant rip off someones head when its nothing but mist, since Sephiroth cannot use his TK to stop or disrupt small objects like Kain can.
4. But Kain has Tked cells you silly little boy [/B]
And their limbs twisting around in the air have nothing to do with this right?
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Originally posted by Burning thought1. Zack has been effortlessly dodging bullets since he was a SOLDIER Second Rank. PIS? How?
Ive seen Zack dogding bullets, reminiscent of many a James bond scene and full of PIS.Blood is cells, thus all he can possibly be Tking is cells....
2. No, he draws the blood to him.
Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
And their limbs twisting around in the air have nothing to do with this right?k
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Twisting around in the air? their twisting round otherwise they would be broken or in more trouble than they were, infact they were fine after he had gone so obvioulsy he had done very little damage.
lol blind denile.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Zack has been effortlessly dodging bullets since he was a SOLDIER Second Rank. PIS? How?2. No, he draws the blood to him.
1. That machinegunners from all angels couldnt hit him? thats not just doging bullets, thats completly against the laws of physics, it doesnt matter how quick he is, hed have to be much faster than ive seen any FF character move to dodge rooms of machinegunners unless their useless marksman with terrible innacurate weapons (wouldnt put it past them). Its obvious PIS, one pullet would have hit him, infact when the game slows down so you can see the bullets and him in comparison, hes not that much quicker than them tbh.
2. Blood which is cells, hell just tear apart Sephiroth or most other characters of unkown or low durability apart cell by cell.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
What exactly do you mean by return? What would switching to the spiritual world and back achieve?
No matter what you do to Raziel, he will return from the Spiritual world. They will be frozen(for some time). Kain isn't really that fast when it comes to swinging his sword(he did move pretty fast when he zipped to Moebius/Raziel).
Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes not even that fast tbh, hes not as much as a speed blitzer as Sephiroth and his strength and swordmanship are useless against a being whos single slash would rip your soul out and can turn into a spirit and back in moments, keep in mind that lets just assume somehow Cloud got the other hand, Raziel ends up cleaved in two, all he ends up doing is shifting back to the material world.Kain could turn into mist or teleport, Sephiroth cannot hold mist wheras Kain can control it AND blood cells, he would just spray jenova cells all over the place and turn Sephiroth into nothing more than a gory cloud of cells.
Infact Kain could just cast lightning, that would finish off a lot of the characters in this match straight off the bat.
He is faster than Raziel, seriously, when has Raziel deflected bullets. Even though he isn't as fast as Sephiroth he is still fast and can react to fast things, things that move faster then Raziel. His single slash ripping out Clouds soul wouldn't affect him, because he wouldn't be able to hit him.
So, if Raziel can 'return' why can't Sephiroth just will himself back into existance?
Sephiroth has held something as intangible and more powerful then simple mist: HOLY. Jenova cells are not blood cells, Sephiroth technically doesn't need blood to live, because his Cells can live on thier own, with no blood flow.
Sephiroth could just cast lightning, that would finish off a lot of the characters in this match straight off the bat.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He can block bullets with a sword almost the size of him, thats like having someone hide behind a steel door and claim their dodging bullets.....errr a normal human being yer.....
Whens he ever done that? hes never moved that quickly at all, Kain moves his hand and Sephiroth is screwed not that their both going to start the battle with their noses touching anyway.
No, it isn't the size of him, stop exaggerating. He literally has to move it to block the bullets, and the sword is huge, that says something for his strength, speed and control. Just the fact he can react to bullets is better than Raziel and probably Kain.
A normal human being couldn't lift it, let alone block bullets with it.
In CC you can see a tiny bit of his speed, which should be enough to get Kain.
Originally posted by Burning thought
logically? where do you get that rubbish from? breaking bones is far more of a feat with TK than just moving some limbs about and pulling a dogs tail lol.....Ridiculous...
By your logic, if Kain can lift Moebius' weight he should be easily able to rip off an arm, leg or the head off sephiroth....
not to mention Kain could immedialtey stop any of that nonsense with an instant mist transformation, then dispurse Sephiroths cells into a murky black cloud with his own TK......
Breaking bones is less of a feat then lifting up eight people and controlling all their limbs all the while them fighting against you.
Depends, how much does Moebius weigh?
Sephiroth has held HOLY, something as intangible as mist and even has incredible force behind it. Sephiroths cells have an instinct, to get to eachother meaning they will literally move to get back to eachother, coupled with Sephirohts mind, im sure he can reassemble himself thats if Kain can TK the cells of someone who can control their own cells.
Originally posted by Gumachi
No matter what you do to Raziel, he will return from the Spiritual world. They will be frozen(for some time). Kain isn't really that fast when it comes to swinging his sword(he did move pretty fast when he zipped to Moebius/Raziel).
No matter what you do to Sephiroth, he will, will himself back into existence from the lifestream. Sephiroth can swing his sword super fast, he slices his sword around 4 or 5 times(probably more) within the space of a second all in different directions. That is insane.
Originally posted by K1ll3ri smell speculation
He is faster than Raziel, seriously, when has Raziel deflected bullets. Even though he isn't as fast as Sephiroth he is still fast and can react to fast things, things that move faster then Raziel. His single slash ripping out Clouds soul wouldn't affect him, because he wouldn't be able to hit him.So, if Raziel can 'return' why can't Sephiroth just will himself back into existance?
Sephiroth has held something as intangible and more powerful then simple mist: HOLY. Jenova cells are not blood cells, Sephiroth technically doesn't need blood to live, because his Cells can live on thier own, with no blood flow.
Sephiroth could just cast lightning, that would finish off a lot of the characters in this match straight off the bat.
No, it isn't the size of him, stop exaggerating. He literally has to move it to block the bullets, and the sword is huge, that says something for his strength, speed and control. Just the fact he can react to bullets is better than Raziel and probably Kain.
A normal human being couldn't lift it, let alone block bullets with it.
In CC you can see a tiny bit of his speed, which should be enough to get Kain.
Breaking bones is less of a feat then lifting up eight people and controlling all their limbs all the while them fighting against you.
Depends, how much does Moebius weigh?
Sephiroth has held HOLY, something as intangible as mist and even has incredible force behind it. Sephiroths cells have an instinct, to get to eachother meaning they will literally move to get back to eachother, coupled with Sephirohts mind, im sure he can reassemble himself thats if Kain can TK the cells of someone who can control their own cells.
No matter what you do to Sephiroth, he will, will himself back into existence from the lifestream. Sephiroth can swing his sword super fast, he slices his sword around 4 or 5 times(probably more) within the space of a second all in different directions. That is insane.
Originally posted by K1ll3r
He is faster than Raziel, seriously, when has Raziel deflected bullets. Even though he isn't as fast as Sephiroth he is still fast and can react to fast things, things that move faster then Raziel. His single slash ripping out Clouds soul wouldn't affect him, because he wouldn't be able to hit him.So, if Raziel can 'return' why can't Sephiroth just will himself back into existance?
Sephiroth has held something as intangible and more powerful then simple mist: HOLY. Jenova cells are not blood cells, Sephiroth technically doesn't need blood to live, because his Cells can live on thier own, with no blood flow.
Sephiroth could just cast lightning, that would finish off a lot of the characters in this match straight off the bat.
No, it isn't the size of him, stop exaggerating. He literally has to move it to block the bullets, and the sword is huge, that says something for his strength, speed and control. Just the fact he can react to bullets is better than Raziel and probably Kain.
A normal human being couldn't lift it, let alone block bullets with it.
In CC you can see a tiny bit of his speed, which should be enough to get Kain.
Breaking bones is less of a feat then lifting up eight people and controlling all their limbs all the while them fighting against you.
Depends, how much does Moebius weigh?
No matter what you do to Sephiroth, he will, will himself back into existence from the lifestream. Sephiroth can swing his sword super fast, he slices his sword around 4 or 5 times(probably more) within the space of a second all in different directions. That is insane.
He is faster than Raziel, thing is Raziel has TK so he can put an end to this "faster than" nonsense straight off the bat, but blocking bullets with an enormous weapon like Clouds is no feat at all, ill go hide behind a van if someone fires at me and ill put it off as me "dodging" the shells....
Because Sephiroth cannot do such a thing...
But their cells and how do you know how intangable Holy is, its not solid but we dont even know how it works, or how he held it. He just stopped it as well, not manipulated. We dont even know if Sephiroth uses TK, its just apprently "willpower".
Dont be foolish, lightning wouldnt kill half the characters here even if it did hit them, and even then, no FF character is going to cast a spell in this match, the characters are too fast not to mention Kain for one can block spells in an instant.
Its huge and most of the time hes got it across him anyway, the most he has to do is move his arm left or right to make sure his enormous sword covers the area its going to hit, just like a knight with a shield against a bowman, he does not have to be as fast as the arrow to block it.
No its not, breaking bones is like overcoming something stronger than reinforced concrete, picking a guy up is nothing, not even several. Then take into account Kain is likely both stronger and more durable than all of those picked up put together and Sephiroth hasnt a chance.
Show me Sephiroth doing that and ive seen Kain do several slashes in a second, its nothing impressive, Kain will pull Sephiroth apart cell by cell and spray him across the ground
Originally posted by Burning thought
He is faster than Raziel. thing is Raziel has TK so he can put an end to this "faster than" nonsense straight off the bat, *snip*
Good, we agree that Cloud is faster then Raziel. Yes, he has TK so Cloud loses against Raziel.
Originally posted by Burning thought
but blocking bullets with an enormous weapon like Clouds is no feat at all, ill go hide behind a van if someone fires at me and ill put it off as me "dodging" the shells....
Yes it is, it isn't as enormous as you make it out to be, a van is a lot bigger then Clouds sword.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Because Sephiroth cannot do such a thing...
Yes he can, especially when he has cells still hanging around.
Originally posted by Burning thought
But their cells
They are Jenova cells, which have instincts to connect themselves with eachother.
Originally posted by Burning thought
and how do you know how intangable Holy is, its not solid but we dont even know how it works, or how he held it.
What we do know about HOLY is it has a force, and is not a solid, it seems to be like light in substance that moves with a force, and Sephiroth contained it with his Will (OR TK).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1548279993389993862
3:00.
The force of HOLY is crazy big.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He just stopped it as well, not manipulated. We dont even know if Sephiroth uses TK, its just apprently "willpower"..
He contained it, and it has a force. In this context how is willpower different from TK?
Originally posted by Burning thought
no FF character is going to cast a spell in this match, the characters are too fast not to mention Kain for one can block spells in an instant.
*sigh* I am so annoyed at you using a gameplay style as a crutch against FF
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24698.html
00:03
The name of the spell pops up as he casts it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its huge and most of the time hes got it across him anyway, the most he has to do is move his arm left or right to make sure his enormous sword covers the area its going to hit, just like a knight with a shield against a bowman, he does not have to be as fast as the arrow to block it.
It isn't as huge as you think it is, and no he doesn't. No, he moves his sword into completely different positions not what you say. That is a terrible analogy, a sword is held entirely different to a shield and Cloud handles his sword different to how you say.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No its not, breaking bones is like overcoming something stronger than reinforced concrete, picking a guy up is nothing, not even several.
So, when my friend broke his arm from tripping onto reinforced concrete destroyed the entire concrete block broke before his arm broke. Your logic fails. The force required to pick them up was around 1100 lbs. Wt. easily enough to break any bone.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Then take into account Kain is likely both stronger and more durable than all of those picked up put together and Sephiroth hasnt a chance.
Show me him being more durable, and how he could withstand even 900 lbs. Wt. on his face.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me Sephiroth doing that and ive seen Kain do several slashes in a second, its nothing impressive, Kain will pull Sephiroth apart cell by cell and spray him across the ground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4
from 3:00.
Kains feat is less then Sephiroths feat. Kain will not be able to do any such thing, as Jenova cells will stay together, they literally move to make sure they are together.
Sephiroth infects both Kain and Raziel with the Jenova virus.
@Phanteros Where?