Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me this several miles, or quote the video if youve got it in this thread as well as the time it happesn. And a lot of people can react to a bullet, whther their reaction allows them to do something to it to stop it is the question but its irrelvent here, being able to react to a bullet coming at you and actually being as quick as one are two diffrent things entirely.
In the fight with Genesis and Angeal, he slams Genesis several miles into the air, then he flies up to him, in a second, then he hits Genisis back down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ZaSipHuO4 2:12 - 2:13. Then at 2:18 you see how high he went. There is many other places where Sephiroth moves this fast.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact 3: unfortunatley the power of said force was not present when Sephiroth was holding it.
Holy had a force, it's force, if it didn't have a force it wouldn't have moved at all when it was released.
Even without Holy, Sephiroth has lifted more than Kain with his Will, and has shown a LOT of control with it(affecting up to 32 limbs of 8 different beings).
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact 4:Not necesserily true, he may be Jenova but that does not mean he has all the powers and abilities of it.
Why wouldn't it be?
Yes it is true, it is stated and demonstrated several times throughout FF 7, and in the Ultimania Omega. He has all of the abilities because he IS JENOVA. Your logic doesn't make sense, "This camera is a camera, but that doesn't mean it can take photos." (If he didn't have the abilities of Jenova, he wouldn't be Jenova).
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact 5:Only in a fan fiction bucko, he only has the energy that creates matera, but not the ability to actually create the materia itself, despite having a piece of bread and an electrical outlet, he still does not have a toaster.
He doesn't need to create Materia, and yes he has the ability, as he has the knowledge of the Ancients, and they created Materia:
Energy: Negative Lifestream
Bread and Toaster: Knowledge of the Ancients.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact 6: Zero in comparison to most other fictonal characters debated in this forum.
No, it isn't zero, I haven't seen Kain take the force necessary to crumple metal in a several metre radius with the metal being several metres thick.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Fact 7:Assuming that was a teleport, we dont actually know how long it took him to start teleporting, for all you know he had been sitting on the other side of his teleport casting the spell for 5 seconds or w/e before he actually teleported.
Fair enough, we only know Sephiroth can randomly fade in.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1. Kains TK has actually held physical objects both human sized and miniscule (blood cells), Sephiroths "willpower" has held Holy which has unkown force and mass at the point of him actually holding it and Cloud and co.
Yes to the human sized, no to the miniscule, he has manipulated blood, blood cells just happen to be apart of the blood. Sephiroths will has held more pounds worth of weight then Kain, and has demonstrated a very high level of control with it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
2. Kain is pretty much immune in this area, hes had Raziels high strength as pointed out in my Bio do nothing to his body and can survive with major damage to his form. Not ot mention he wouldnt have to take a hit anyway.
He isn't immune, there is a reason he carries a sword and has a shield spell. Yes, his body can withstand to lift a lot of wieght, but that doesn't mean he cannot be hurt with a sword.
Originally posted by Burning thought
3. From shown sources Sephiroth is a faster sword wielder, but has no selection of major skills that put him above kains, their still simple sword attacks I have seen from both, although in factual information, Kain has lived and used with a sword for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years, so he is undoubtably the more experianced and therefore the better. Although to be fair, one strike of Kains sword would leave Sephiroth on the ground and disarmed.
You are mistaking skill with abilities, skill being Accuracy, Speed, Strength etc with a sword. Abilities would be Octaslash and Blade Beam.
So Sephiroth is more skill with a sword, it doesn't matter about Kain being alive that long, Sephiroth is just exceptional because of the way he was created. Sephiroth has taken very powerful sword attacks without it making him strain (For example Genesis slamming him down into the metal of the Junon cannon, which is a very very thick metal.).
Originally posted by Burning thought
4. Sephiroth is superior by feats
Sweet.
Originally posted by Burning thought
5. Sephiroth but not by much, Kain has shown speeds over fair distances of nigh instant movement and to be fair Sephiroths speed will be nullified because of Kains time powers.
Allright, his time powers aren't the be all and end all of this fight.
Originally posted by Burning thought
6. Kains vast powers and abilities mean that he will be untouchable, his teleportion is near instant with the dimention reaver and he could make massive distance between him and his foes meaning none of them could assail him if he does not want them to, his mist form means physical attacks are almost useless and his repel shield makes almost everything useless. Taing into account with a gesture or a hand movement he could have both Cloud and sephiroth defeated, they cant win.
He isn't untouchable, otherwise he wouldn't bother with a sword at all. I haven't seen his Dimension reaver in action, I did read about it in the link you gave. Running away could just as easily be accomplished by Sephiroth. His mist form isn't as powerful as you make it out to be, he uses it as a stealth thing and he doesn't become mist, he more melds into it. Yeah, his repel shield is pretty insane, but that doesn't mean he wins. Kains TK is nowhere near as good as Sephiroths, even not counting the Holy feat.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The only way Sephiroth has more magic is if Kain allows him to, other than that, Kain as a balance guardian can regulate magic, he wouldnt allow Sephiroth to use magic even if he just sat and allowed whatever long cast time is required.
Even though the way both universes handle magic is completely different? Kain cannot control Sephiroths negative lifestream or will.
Originally posted by Burning thought
If he can move all those cells which he would without doubt have to then he can do the same to other cells, theres no logic or reasoning why he could not use his TK to do the same to Sephiroths cells as he does to blood.
He doesn't move the cells, only the blood.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Only in gameplay mechanic, infact most of his spells have no projectile such as blood shower, spirit death. The only major one that has a projectile in game mechanics is the time bolt. But he doesnt need that even if we were using gameplay mechanics because he could use his time reaver to have a slowing effect and then follow up with his time bolt.
Fair enough, but the time slow can't be defined outside of game play (1/4 the speed? c'mon!).
Originally posted by Burning thought
Meteor was going to destroy the planet, can you show me it saying Holy could destroy the planet.
Meteor was only going to severely wound the planet, to let more of the Lifestream flow allowing Sephiroth to absorb it. Although it is capable of destroying the planet.
I said, it was the action of Holy destroying Meteor that was going to destroy the planet, because Meteor was too close. Nanaki talks about it in the final video sequence: "Holy is having the opposite affect, forget Midgar, we gotta worry about the whole planet!". Holy still has the force capable of pushing the 1800(not fully loaded) airship thousands of miles into the air, and holy's movement was held back by Sephiroth.
"However, Holy's movement was being held back by the wicked will of Sephiroth, who had called Meteor."
Quote from Ultimania Omega. There are many quotes like this in the game.