Quitting Smoking

Originally posted by red g jacks
dunno, i liked it when i first started. in fact, it was great at first, gave me a head rush etc, but as time went on it became less and less gratifying. eventually i wasn't even smoking to get a head rush or anything like that, but out of pure physical addiction.

if it wasn't pleasant then i never wouldv'e continued smoking after the first pack. that shit was like 6 bucks a pack up north, and i wasn't addicted at the time. i'm sure there are plently people like me who genuinely started smoking because they enjoyed it rather than some gay peer pressure after school special scenario.

Fair enough on the not liking it at first.

Was it a choice you made to smoke?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
what constitues a reasonable answer in your oppinion, since im obviously not providing one for you. help me here, give me a "sample" reasonable answer so that i can understand

In your own words how smoking wasn't a choice for you?

Not a wiki article on free will or saying "peer pressure", because peer pressure still gives you a choice to make, maybe a more difficult choice, but still a choice.

Just smoke eCigarettes and you'll be fine.
http://www.ecigarettesusa.com/

Or an easy solution for you ladies out there.

Smoke me instead.

If you are actually so desperate to smoke that you've given up the real things for a plastic alternative, what's the point?

Laughable.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Or an easy solution for you ladies out there.

Smoke me instead.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Now you're breaking up.

Debating what YOU deem fit, not what is actually needed to prove your argument right.

That's one part down.

I will...when you answer my question YOURSELF:

How is smoking NOT a choice? Many of us have asked YOU to answer this personally, you have dodged.

Until you answer this, I won't answer anything you have.

The fact is you CANNOT answer it, because if you could, I would be factually wrong. If you could prove me factually wrong, you'd need no prompting or questioning to explain how.

Yes, you know the word "Dichotomy". Well done.

Now answer the question and then I'll answer yours.

-AC [/B]

no im providing what is necessary for the DEBATE based on reason as opposed to your nonsensical WHIMS which have nothing to do with reason. go back and reasses.

copout/dodge. you had already left that argument and only bring it back up so you wudnt have to reply to my query. dont try and entangle things with a stubborn stance on off topic content which you know you can screw so badly that the original question will be forgotten in the coarse. again, you made the claim, now im asking you, what part of the physical body outside the brain actually DEPENDS/DESIRES the chemicals in smoke, as you so ignorantly tried to make an argument out of, differentiating between the mental desire for sex and the PHYSICAL dependancy on smoking. go on, im waiting. and smoking can me prompted by motivational factors which the individual neither asked for, nor created, which takes away a portion of the responsibility the individual shud bear for its consequences. again, dont try to degenerate the discussion into one of your senseless "definition of choice debates"

but you obviously dont know what it means, or understand what it means, or youd know better than for me to answer a loaded question. it stays a false dichotomy. ask a better question and maybe ill answer.

Originally posted by Robtard
In your own words how smoking wasn't a choice for you?

Not a wiki article on free will or saying "peer pressure", because peer pressure still gives you a choice to make, maybe a more difficult choice, but still a choice.

dont tell me what i SHUDNT say rob, give me examples of what i SHUD say, like samples. otherwise ill start to think that this isnt really about my apparent inability to answer your question but your unwillingness to accept any explanation i give you, reguardless of its validity.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no im providing what is necessary for the DEBATE based on reason as opposed to your nonsensical WHIMS which have nothing to do with reason. go back and reasses.

copout/dodge. you had already left that argument and only bring it back up so you wudnt have to reply to my query. dont try and entangle things with a stubborn stance on off topic content which you know you can screw so badly that the original question will be forgotten in the coarse. again, you made the claim, now im asking you, what part of the physical body outside the brain actually DEPENDS/DESIRES the chemicals in smoke, as you so ignorantly tried to make an argument out of, differentiating between the mental desire for sex and the PHYSICAL dependancy on smoking. go on, im waiting. and smoking can me prompted by motivational factors which the individual neither asked for, nor created, which takes away a portion of the responsibility the individual shud bear for its consequences. again, dont try to degenerate the discussion into one of your senseless "definition of choice debates"

but you obviously dont know what it means, or understand what it means, or youd know better than for me to answer a loaded question. it stays a false dichotomy. ask a better question and maybe ill answer.

I've given all the proof as to exactly why the body is not unnaturally addicted to sex, with negative results. Addiction to smoking is precisely that, an unnatural addiction with negative results, fact.

If you think it is, then you're stupid.

Would you say that the human body is unnaturally addicted to sex, with negative results? No.

It's not natural to smoke cigarettes. It is a choice, and it is physically addictive.

So, all that text and you still haven't answered my question:

Originally posted by leonheartmm
copout/dodge

It's ok though.

Now I know that you know I'm right.

-AC

I've given all the proof as to exactly why the body is not unnaturally addicted to sex, with negative results. Addiction to smoking is precisely that, an unnatural addiction with negative results, fact.

statements of unfounded, disproven oppinion are not proof.

If you think it is, then you're stupid.

if i diasgree with your statement of unfounded oppinion, im stupid. gotcha

Would you say that the human body is unnaturally addicted to sex, with negative results? No.

It's not natural to smoke cigarettes. It is a choice, and it is physically addictive.

So, all that text and you still haven't answered my question:

It's ok though.

Now I know that you know I'm right.

-AC

oh you do? what a feather in your hat! bravo bravo!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont tell me what i SHUDNT say rob, give me examples of what i SHUD say, like samples. otherwise ill start to think that this isnt really about my apparent inability to answer your question but your unwillingness to accept any explanation i give you, reguardless of its validity.

Okay, repeat: "In your own words, how smoking wasn't a choice for you?"

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, repeat: "In your own words, how smoking wasn't a choice for you?"

that isnt a sample answer rob. those are directions. so shud i assume then, that you arent really interested in any answer, and just arguing in the pretense of not getting a good enough answer? your reminding me more and more of JIA.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
statements of unfounded, disproven oppinion are not proof.

1) OPINION with one P.

2) YOUR claim was that the two are similar, NOT mine. So the burden of proof is entirely on you and still unproven.

One is a physical addiction, chosen, unnatural and harmful. The other is a natural, genetic urge with no truly negative physical side effects.

That is why they are different. YOUR claim was that they are not, so prove why.

Oh, you have, with things YOU deem necessary. You're wrong.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
if i diasgree with your statement of unfounded oppinion, im stupid. gotcha

No, you're stupid for suggesting sex is an unnatural physical addiction with negative physical effects.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
posing a question to me and then answering it in negetive yourself.....i see

You won't answer it, will you?

All this time you've spent replying and you could have just answered the question.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
repeating the argument that has been detroyed and claiming it is PHYSICALLY addictive while not replying to my question which asked which part of the PHYSICAL body, other than the brain its addictive to? well done!

YOU made the claim first.

YOU claimed they were similar, so prove how.

Prove how sex is an unnatural physical, chosen addiction with negative PHYSICAL effects.

-AC

Originally posted by Kelly_Bean
Don't tell me that.
I'll actually take a lighter to you. 🙂

It may be worth it.

Leon, you're a buffoon.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
how about i put it in a way youll be ABLE to understand. take ALL the arguments your making and apply them to sex and masturbation. COULD you stop having sex AND masturbating at the same time simply because you WANTED to or because sum1{like me} challenged you to?!?!?! see how ridiculous the stuff ur saying seems now, "if you really want to quite, youll quite, otherwise your too lazy or dont WANT to quit" . your coming from a place of ignorance.

See? This was the first mention of connecting sex and smoking.

Still, it remains unproven.

Go, Leon.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

1) OPINION with one P.

2) YOUR claim was that the two are similar, NOT mine. So the burden of proof is entirely on you and still unproven.

One is a physical addiction, chosen, unnatural and harmful. The other is a natural, genetic urge with no truly negative physical side effects.

That is why they are different. YOUR claim was that they are not, so prove why.

Oh, you have, with things YOU deem necessary. You're wrong.

No, you're stupid for suggesting sex is an unnatural physical addiction with negative physical effects.

You won't answer it, will you?

All this time you've spent replying and you could have just answered the question.

YOU made the claim first.

YOU claimed they were similar, so prove how.

Prove how sex is an unnatural physical, chosen addiction with negative PHYSICAL effects.

-AC [/B]

wow, strawman much. my claim was only that the urge was similar in both things and that both had physical symptoms of WITHDRAWEL. nothing more, nothing else, and i proved this appropriately by illutrating the urges in both case, the difficulty to discontinue, and the physical symptoms of withdrawel .every other statement youve claimed by me is a lie and a strawman.

a lie again, i never said it was unnatural, only that it had a similar urge and was hard to discontinue and had physical withdrawel symptoms which are very clear.

answer a question which ive already answered ad nauseum in the past and youve already answered to yourself? i dont think so.

your inability to read boggles me. i never said it was unnatural. i gave you similar addictive urges, i gave you a LIST of withdrawel symptoms. your ONLY reply was that those were mental and justified{your own claim} while cigerrete smoke had PHYSICALLY addictive chemicals. i asked you the question in return to which part of the physical body other than the BRAIN did any dependancy for these chemicals generate{knowing FULL well that the answer is NONE and that the entire dependancy and addiction is neurological}. you were not only unable to answer but you dodged the question because you made the claim in IGNORANCE "not" knowing of any such PHYSICAL addictive effects which cud differentiate it from the urges in sexual lust.

You two should get a room.

Originally posted by Rain Dog
Leon, you're a buffoon.

only because i am surrounded by buffoons 😄 .

Just because it's hard to quit doesn't mean that the personal responsibility of the addict is lifted. He can still quit if he wants. You can choose to do so.