Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not a fool, hence my ability to see you presenting your VERY flawed oppinion as fact. obviously you havent researched choice in psychology, the problems of unconditional free will or false dichotomies and forced choice and the problems with associating responsibility to that type of choice. hence your weak attempt fails yet again. please give up this line of argumentation.
Sorry, the word "choice" is not my opinion and smoking is a choice.
Tell me, when you first smoked a cigarette, could you not have smoked it?
Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, the word "choice" is not my opinion and smoking is a choice.Tell me, when you first smoked a cigarette, could you not have smoked it?
im sorry, but being stubborn doesnt turn your oppinions into facts, its still your oppinion and its ignorant. THOSE are facts and ive proven them countless times. now drop it.
i do not know, possibly, but going by humanism, perhaps not.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
im sorry, but being stubborn doesnt turn your oppinions into facts, its still your oppinion and its ignorant. THOSE are facts and ive proven them countless times. now drop it.i do not know, possibly, but going by humanism, perhaps not.
The only thing you've proven A) the ability to not understand the meaning of a word b) the ability to not own up to your own choices in life.
If by "humanism" you mean the state of being human, then humans do have choices, ie they make choices, for better or worse. You uppercutted your own nonsense, good job.
Nice attempt at a dodge though.
Edit: If I try heroine tomorrow because my friends do it and tell me it's the shit, would it be my choice?
Originally posted by Robtard
The only thing you've proven A) the ability to not understand the meaning of a word b) the ability to not own up to your own choices in life.If by "humanism" you mean the state of being human, then humans do have choices, ie they make choices, for better or worse. You upper-cutted your own nonsense, good job.
Nice attempt at a dodge though.
not really. although i can understand how it would seem that way to sum1 like you 😉 . ive proven that i understand that the literal meaning of words is unsophisticated and too definite, when we are dealing with language, which is a vague tool, at best, to convey concepts, and clearer understanding can be gotten of these concepts in light of psychology and philosophy{two things which you seem incapable of understanding it seem}. i own up to my INTENTIONS, but i dont forget that it wasnt my inherent nature {which is the only thing that can be reasonable asked to shoulder BLAME} alone that chose the paths i walk but also, many motivating factors which put me on those paths.
AND you were just claiming that "I" didnt unserstand the meaning of words 😆 . do you even KNOW what humanism means?!?!?! or did u not care before you planned to open your mouth on the subject. {hint, it isnt, being HUMAN}
whos dodging? i didnt think your rants dignified a response, and i still gave one. now stop spamming, youve said what u wanted to say, im not interested in fighting with YOU.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
not really. although i can understand how it would seem that way to sum1 like you 😉 . ive proven that i understand that the literal meaning of words is unsophisticated and too definite, when we are dealing with language, which is a vague tool, at best, to convey concepts, and clearer understanding can be gotten of these concepts in light of psychology and philosophy{two things which you seem incapable of understanding it seem}. i own up to my INTENTIONS, but i dont forget that it wasnt my inherent nature {which is the only thing that can be reasonable asked to shoulder BLAME} alone that chose the paths i walk but also, many motivating factors which put me on those paths.AND you were just claiming that "I" didnt unserstand the meaning of words 😆 . do you even KNOW what humanism means?!?!?! or did u not care before you planned to open your mouth on the subject. {hint, it isnt, being HUMAN}
whos dodging? i didnt think your rants dignified a response, and i still gave one. now stop spamming, youve said what u wanted to say, im not interested in fighting with YOU.
Hahahaaha, please, don't pretend to the the philosopher.
No, you don't understand what the meaning of "choice" means, as you continue to blame other factors on your smoking addiction. Ultimately, you make the CHOICE to smoke, you're addicted to it now because of that initial CHOICE and the following choice to keep lighting up.
I asked you a simple question, 'could you have not smoked that first cigarette', you tried to give a dodging bullshit answer but shot yourself in the foot instead.
So, would by usage of heroine be a choice? What if I shot someone because my friends really and I mean really wanted me to, would that be a choice I made?
Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahaaha, please, don't pretend to the the philosopher.No, you don't understand what the meaning of "choice" means, as you continue to blame other factors on your smoking addiction. Ultimately, you make the CHOICE to smoke, you're addicted to it now because of that initial CHOICE and the following choice to keep lighting up.
I asked you a simple question, 'could you have not smoked that first cigarette', you tried to give a dodging bullshit answer but shot yourself in the foot instead.
So, would by usage of heroine be a choice? What if I shot someone because my friends really and I mean really wanted me to, would that be a choice I made?
i have no reason to pretend to a fool.
this shows VERY clearly, your inability to READ or UNDERSTAND written material for that matter. i think ive said a dozen times already, ive QUIT smoking, and its been more than three MONTHS. dont try to go back on the choice thing when your mind is clearly incapable of understanding the complexities of choice or free will.
i didnt give a bullshit answer, i said MAYBE, because i honestly do not know for sure. and then i added, that according to the humanistic school of though, which puts strong emphasis on factors outside one's control as responsible for guiding them in the paths they SEEM to choose, that i wud not have had any real choice.
please stop, your embaressing yourself, here, im feeling kind today. REASEARCH free will and responsibility before you CHOOSE to continue this vain discussion.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
i have no reason to pretend to a fool.this shows VERY clearly, your inability to READ or UNDERSTAND written material for that matter. i think ive said a dozen times already, ive QUIT smoking, and its been more than three MONTHS. dont try to go back on the choice thing when your mind is clearly incapable of understanding the complexities of choice or free will.
i didnt give a bullshit answer, i said MAYBE, because i honestly do not know for sure. and then i added, that according to the humanistic school of though, which puts strong emphasis on factors outside one's control as responsible for guiding them in the paths they SEEM to choose, that i wud not have had any real choice.
please stop, your embaressing yourself, here, im feeling kind today. REASEARCH free will and responsibility before you CHOOSE to continue this vain discussion.
If you said "I quit smoking" in reply to one of my post, I must have missed it, though I don't think you did. Your quitting is irrelevant to you choosing to smoke though.
Quitting smoking was also a choice you made, see how that works, as you could have chosen to not quit(unless someone forced you?). Funny how that works.
Yeah you do know, you just don't want to admit that you made the poor choice (for health reasons) in smoking and no one forced you. It's easier to blame-shift for some people, instead of just owning up.
LoL, wiki-points. Free Will would be you making the choice to smoke. Did you have a "moral responsibility" to smoke?
Just say it, "I made a choice in smoking", no one will think any less of you.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you said "I quit smoking" in reply to one of my post, I must have missed it, though I don't think you did. Your quitting is irrelevant to you choosing to smoke though.Quitting smoking was also a choice you made, see how that works, as you could have chosen to not quit(unless someone forced you?). Funny how that works.
Yeah you do know, you just don't want to admit that you made the poor choice (for health reasons) in smoking and no one forced you. It's easier to blame-shift for some people, instead of just owning up.
LoL, wiki-points. Free Will would be you making the choice to smoke. Did you have a "moral responsibility" to smoke?
Just say it, "I made a choice in smoking", no one will think any less of you.
lol, the thread STARTED with me saying id quite you moron. it is very relevant however, to your blabber about me shifting blame for my apparent inability to quit on others. just going to show that your an idiot who doesnt really read what others are saying before continuing to talk at them.
errr, i was under the impression that i got sick randomly due to no concious decision or effort on my own, and stayed in bed or at home for nearly two months, in which, despite my better efforts, i was unable to procure a pack of cigerretes and then looking back on it, when it was already made MUCH easier for me than any smoker, i was able to not try smoking again because i felt better overall without the nicotine in my blood. 🙂 . see what happens when you talk out of your ass, making wrong assumptions aplenty and then continuing to beat strawmen, your entire bullshit argument about CHOICE hardly applies here.
grow the **** up, and learn to bring in some new lines of argumentation.
im sorry, but ill take wiki over your banter anyday, specially since youve proven to be incapable of reasoning or even reading the links i provided for your own benefit. i really cant make sum1 understand who wont even open his mind to education.
now please stop trolling.
I didn't read the first page, I got here when you started claiming that smoking is not a choice, which was my opening question to you. Sorry; I don't read all your rantings, especially if they're not directed to me.
Why would I need links to prove that smoking is a choice, when it clearly is?
Now, go now, just say you made the choice to smoke, you'll feel better.
The reason I didn't reply to your post is because you're being an idiot, and every further post you make proves it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
you are being RIDICULOUS. its VERY NEARLY the same. as i suggested, ull get an idea of how an URGE translates to ADDICTION if you honestly, tried to stop masturbating and having sex at the same time! itll get harder and harder and harder, UNTIL you give in to either of those options for RELEIF. thats EXACTLY how quitting smoking is to a chain smoker! the only difference is that EVENTUALLY over months and months, it gets easier for a smoker, unlike abstaining from sex. now PLEASE, stop posting your ignorant, self righteous babble claiming "its their fault" . its very annoying.
It's not the same at all.
Your body does not NEED sex, does it? No. Does your body need sex? NEED sex? As in, has bodily withdrawals and symptoms when a lack of it is upon you?
No.
Does smoking? Yes.
One is a physical addiction, whether you want it or not. The other is "Man, I really want to do this.", but you will not suffer physical symptoms, minor or major, if you do not do it.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm right and you are factually talking nonsense.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, the thread STARTED with me saying id quite you moron. it is very relevant however, to your blabber about me shifting blame for my apparent inability to quit on others. just going to show that your an idiot who doesnt really read what others are saying before continuing to talk at them.
Don't call people an idiot when you have grammar and spelling that bad. Really.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
im sorry, but ill take wiki over your banter anyday, specially since youve proven to be incapable of reasoning or even reading the links i provided for your own benefit. i really cant make sum1 understand who wont even open his mind to education.now please stop trolling.
Wiki can be edited by anyone. It has reliable info, but it can't be trusted on this basis.
It's good for an overview, but using it as proof is dumb.
You're sitting there saying that quitting sex is as hard as quitting a drug dependance. You're an idiot.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The reason I didn't reply to your post is because you're being an idiot, and every further post you make proves it.It's not the same at all.
Your body does not NEED sex, does it? No. Does your body need sex? NEED sex? As in, has bodily withdrawals and symptoms when a lack of it is upon you?
No.
Does smoking? Yes.
One is a physical addiction, whether you want it or not. The other is "Man, I really want to do this.", but you will not suffer physical symptoms, minor or major, if you do not do it.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm right and you are factually talking nonsense.
Don't call people an idiot when you have grammar and spelling that bad. Really.
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Wiki can be edited by anyone. It has reliable info, but it can't be trusted on this basis.
It's good for an overview, but using it as proof is dumb.
You're sitting there saying that quitting sex is as hard as quitting a drug dependance. You're an idiot.
-AC [/B]
and there you go with the personal attacks.
yes it does, the withdrawels include being horny/turned on more time than you wud if you were having sex, your psychology turning more depraved, increased irritability, increased fantasizing about sex, long term effects include mental damage/anguish/major changes in psychological/neurochemical outlook and balance. many of these are physical and well researched and accepted in the medical/psychological community, im surprised you wud even make such a claim.
you are factually wrong and ive prove this by citing FACTUAL "REFERENCES" as opposed to claiming im factually right without any evidence to support it, unlike you.
im curious, with the way your running to robtard's side, are you his wife or cellmate or sumthing???
but it isnt an historic reference or citation, im merely demonstrating the MANY theories and problems of free will and choice that exist in psychology and philosophy and the problem with linguistic definitions being taken at face value. wiki does well to establish this. it was for rob's education. the way you are arguing seems like a copout where you will simply deny any source i provide and stick to your own {or in this case, rob's} unfounded, black and white, profoundly unsophisticated claim.
Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't read the first page, I got here when you started claiming that smoking is not a choice, which was my opening question to you. Sorry; I don't read all your rantings, especially if they're not directed to me.Why would I need links to prove that smoking is a choice, when it clearly is?
Now, go now, just say you made the choice to smoke, you'll feel better.
not my problem.
but thats your claim, and that claim is based on unconditional free will. those links provide you with evidence that unconditional free will possibly doesnt EXIST and your argument isnt as CLEAR as your making it seem, infact, FAR from it. your ability to argue in circles is mind boggling.
why should i, when you are so utterly wrong?