Batman 3 Discussion Thread

Started by spidermanrocks45 pages

Agreed that Nolan's Batman is still unrealistic. He's just *more* realistic.

To me, the realism was forgivable for BB and TDK because they were about Batman in his younger years as a crimefighter and based on comic stories that took place in his early years, which for the most part were very grounded in reality (especially Year One and Long Halloween). Year One felt even more grounded than both the first two Nolan Bat films to me. The way the Batman universe is structured in the comics is brilliant. It starts out as a very grounded in reality crime drama with stuff like Year One. Then, as Batman's career continues, he begins to attract "freaks" to Gotham and Gotham slowly changes from a realistic crime drama setting to the supervillain-filled Gotham in the current comics. Always loved that evolution of Gotham in the comics. And before details about TDKR were even announced, I was OK with the realism because I felt like that's what they were going for. Batman Begins was very realistic just like Year One (way more realistic than TDK). TDK then came out and was still realistic but a lot less realistic than BB and talked about how "freaks" like the Joker showed up in Gotham since Batman first debuted. Its realism was similar to Long Halloween in terms of realism (minus stuff like Poison Ivy & Solomon Grundy). It looked to me that they were going for the evolution of Gotham that they did in the comics. By that plan, TDKR would have been less realistic than BB and TDK (it kinda still will be less realistic than TDK but not by much) and would have continued to address how the world of Batman is changing and so on. Batman 4 (if it would have happened) would have been even less realistic than TDKR and so on. It seems to me this was their original plan.

However, it looks like they changed their plan. This mostly happened due to Heath's death and them not being able to use the Joker. I feel that if Heath didn't die and reprised his role, we would have continued to see the evolution of Gotham in the films. The realism shouldn't exist by this point in TDKR since it takes place 8 years into Batman's career (I count the years of retirement).

It's a damn shame. If they would have continued with their "evolution of Gotham" plan, Nolan's Batman might have fit in a JL movie.

Also, people miss the point to my problem with him retiring for 8 years. It's not an adaptation or representation flaw; it's a continuity flaw. That doesn't add up with the ending and character arc of Bruce in TDK. Whether or not it's a loose or fully accurate representation of Batman is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that it's a major continuity and character development flaw.

I understand entirely the problem presented about the 8 years off makes TDK entirely not needed because the first movie was him trying to "become more then a man" to fight regular men(bank robbers, murders, rapists, mob bosses...ect) then TDK was batman realizing he had to be the man that sacrificed everything to beat people like The Joker and he could never stop. Now with quitting the batman thing for 8 years he is "re-realizing" the same thing he did in TDK ...

It makes TDK not even needed..

Exactly.

I thought everyone would get a kick out of this lol!

they actually got the original voice actors from TAS to do this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMtwz4P0fc&feature=youtu.be

I guess no one else hasn't that fuss then....

Just a thought. I've been talking for years about how the Penguin fro Batman Returns seemed to be based much more on the Owl from Daredevil. As much as I'm anticipating the Dark Knight Rises, does anyone get the impression that their characterization of Bane, especially in action and in dress seems more like Crossbones than Bane?

Pumped for this, the spoiler dodging commences, awwww yeeeeaaahhh.

Watch me go take a shit and the dude in the next stall just blurts them out.

Originally posted by Kazenji
I guess no one else hasn't that fuss then....

About David Letterman? It very well could happen but I just can not see it. WB said they want this to continue on for the fans even though this is the end. Bale also said he would be up for a 4 if nolan wanted to. So I am doubtful batman will die for those reasons. Though a theory I have been hearing is Levitts character will take over being batman at the end leaving bruce dead or crippled. If that happened I would hate this movie so much. I mean Im already not happy with some stuff but that would take the cake.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I thought everyone would get a kick out of this lol!

they actually got the original voice actors from TAS to do this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMtwz4P0fc&feature=youtu.be

Oh man!!!! Kevin Conroy "not everything, not yet"........ 20 odd years later and he's still the best batman voice. U gotta hand it to TAS of the 90's.. Still my fave version of Batman Animated.

Thanks for sharing this BlackZero30x

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
About David Letterman? It very well could happen but I just can not see it. WB said they want this to continue on for the fans even though this is the end. Bale also said he would be up for a 4 if nolan wanted to. So I am doubtful batman will die for those reasons. Though a theory I have been hearing is Levitts character will take over being batman at the end leaving bruce dead or crippled. If that happened I would hate this movie so much. I mean Im already not happy with some stuff but that would take the cake.

No comment......since i've seen it now.

Off to see TDKR now

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to drop by and give a friendly reminder to please think before posting in regards to this movie by using spoiler tags when appropriate. Thank you.

Originally posted by BackFire
Hi everyone,

Just wanted to drop by and give a friendly reminder to please think before posting in regards to this movie by using spoiler tags when appropriate. Thank you.

Thats why i haven't said a thing regarding plot spoilers.

Ok so I got back from the movie. It was a solid story and not a bad movie but there are some things that I can't forgive made it less then great. I won't talk about those things as they are all spoilers. I will let the hate come at me now but this movie was not "epic" nor was it a "masterpiece"

This wasn't the movie we deserve nor was it the movie we need.....haha see what I did?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Ok so I got back from the movie. It was a solid story and not a bad movie but there are some things that I can't forgive made it less then great. I won't talk about those things as they are all spoilers. I will let the hate come at me now but this movie was not "epic" nor was it a "masterpiece"

This wasn't the movie we deserve nor was it the movie we need.....haha see what I did?

My son saw it and said the same thing. About what I expected.

A shooting just happened at a Colorado theater. At least 14 people dead so far! 🙁 I don't even care for the movie anymore.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12850048-at-least-10-killed-after-shooting-during-dark-knight-screening-in-colorado?lite

I really liked it. More than DK, tbh.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Ok so I got back from the movie. It was a solid story and not a bad movie but there are some things that I can't forgive made it less then great. I won't talk about those things as they are all spoilers. I will let the hate come at me now but this movie was not "epic" nor was it a "masterpiece"

This wasn't the movie we deserve nor was it the movie we need.....haha see what I did?

Oh, you tease, you.

Originally posted by Golgo13
A shooting just happened at a Colorado theater. At least 14 people dead so far! 🙁 I don't even care for the movie anymore.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12850048-at-least-10-killed-after-shooting-during-dark-knight-screening-in-colorado?lite

What the fu-?

Originally posted by Golgo13
A shooting just happened at a Colorado theater. At least 14 people dead so far! 🙁 I don't even care for the movie anymore.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12850048-at-least-10-killed-after-shooting-during-dark-knight-screening-in-colorado?lite

That's really sad.

Guess I should watch out for any Bane wannabes when I go see this tonight.

@sythe: lol what can I say...I can't give it all up at once!

I think the names of the shooters should not be revealed to the public...I understand why that would be to much to ask but they obviously want to be remembered which is why they specifically picked when they did to do it. So they should get no fame from something so dumb. I obviously not one of the "omg it was amazing" fans but this is going to be used to reflect "crazy" fans of the movie in further years down the road. So dumb and those poor injured/dead....