TPM Qui-Gon vs. AOTC Anakin

Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Pathetic. As usual.
1. The novelization makes clear after hearing this? Mace consults with Yoda and they decide to arrest Palpatine. He does NOT go immediately to Palpatine's office. Point 1 down

Actually, he consults with Yoda before hearing this which is still contradicted by the higher level canon because that consultation happens in the command center and Anakin moves right in there after it to reveal Sidious identity. Mace isn't in the command centre but in the hangar when that happens and he doesn't believe Anakin.

So we're now going to take scenes contradicting the movie as canon because of your fanboy attitude? Nice try, Lightsnake.

2. They're 'replacement' council member.s and? Any reason to doubt their worthiness on the council suddenly when everything supports their skill?

You mean "everything" with the exception of Lucas quote and the fact that they get cut down by a Sith Lord because not managing to come up with a sufficient defense in more than six seconds which is another G-Canon source.

Once again: Kenobi's thoughts > George Lucas?

Or, more realistically, he let him kill High Council Jedi to show how dangerous he was. Oh my GOD! The best Jedi ever are better than three other great Jedi! I mean, this must mean Ludo Kressh and Naga Sadow are canon fodder given they were less powerful than Marka Ragnos!

In comparison to Ragnos, they apparently are cannon fodder, given how they worship his freaking spirit and Kressh thought that the freaking ionized air-particiles of Ragnos could destroy Sadow...
Red herring again. It gets old.

Yeah, Lucas placed them below the three best duelists in the movies. I fail to see how this makes them suck

Who says they suck, Lightsnake. I'm just contesting Kenobi's idea that they are "some of the best swordsman ever produced by the Order". Do you get it now? There are more shades to skill than "You're godlike" and "YOU SUCK!"

Poor deluded Nai. Novelization makes clear that after Anakin informs him of this, Mace goes to conact and tell Yoda and they decide to 'take the Republic back.' Mace assembles the team afterwards. Oh, I'm afraid this is canon, unless Mace ever tells anyone. "We went STRAIGHT to the Chancellor's office with no stops!

Poor deluded Lightsnake. The novelization has the talk between Mace and Yoda happen before Anakin stumbles into the room, not even able to talk any more and Mace just figures out that Sidious is the Sith Lord - without Anakin telling it to him. And this scene is completely contradicted by the movie. It's simply not there. So it's O-U-T.

Yeah, calling them 'strongest Jedi warriors" means nothing.
You're wrong. Just ****ing man up.

Pulling the words out of the novel, where they are issued by Kenobi, without a reason there. Really. Are you retarded?

Yeah, calling him a mighty warrior? Means NOTHING! Despite how being on the council in wartime means something's going for him.

So everybody that ever moved his ass into a seat on the council belongs to the "best swordsman ever" department?!

That's the databank, which is 3rd person omniscient. It's not from his master's POV

That's Lightsnake talking in first person idiocy. It's a databank, for christs sake. It just sums up information. Is wikipedia also 3rd person omniscient? Holy crap.

It just says he had considerable skill. Not that it enabled him to survive there. What's your point?

That any Jedi has considerable skill. Hell. An ape being able to juggle with balls has "considerable skill". You get the point now?

Apply that with EVERYTHING ELSE and it means at least 'more than cannon fodder

And it still doesn't result in "best swordsman the order has ever produced" which is what you want to prove here.

Yeah, BAD CHOREOGRAPHY is a great thing to attack despite you attacking Nebaris over using that against Mace vs. Palpatine.

So we take the novel version, where Sidious distracts Tiin, making him lower his defense and spins over the desk with the lightsaber ignited and beheads him in a split second - instead of giving a freaking monologue with an ignited lightsaber in hand without moving

Really. What do you want? Either Sidious has to trick them in order to make one of them lower his defenses and then attack them with a previously concealed lightsaber, which means he didn't kill them we just his lightsaber skill. Or he did stand up, ignites his lightsaber, has a nice chat, jumps to the Jedi, does a nice stabbing movement - without Kolar an Tiin feeling any need to come up with an reaction.

What is it now, Lightsnake? You can chose the version you like (which is already defying the LFL canon policy that clearly states movie > novel), but the result, in either case, is that Sidious didn't butcher "some of the best swordsman ever" with his superior lightsaber skill. He either tricked some of the best, or fought against statues totally devoid of reaction time.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wow Nai, you're as predictable as Escape had claimed. I was just waiting for some kind of picture or photoshop and there it is, like clockwork!

Read: "Just to inflame the prejudices" - aka "I'll post a picture now, so that Gideon will be right with his contention that I will post one".

As it seems, you're still a troll not capable of reading. I see, the last month didn't change anything. 🙄

Originally posted by Borbarad
Read: "Just to inflame the prejudices" - aka "I'll post a picture now, so that Gideon will be right with his contention that I will post one".

As it seems, you're still a troll not capable of reading. I see, the last month didn't change anything. 🙄

A troll would be the person that comes here attempting to sound intelligent, failing miserably, then getting his ass handed to him, then leaving for a month, only to come back and begin the process all over again. Thanks for making it easy Nai 😂

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
A troll would be the person that comes here attempting to sound intelligent, failing miserably, then getting his ass handed to him, then leaving for a month, only to come back and begin the process all over again. Thanks for making it easy Nai 😂

No. A troll wouldn't even be able to leave for a month, because he needs attention (no matter if in the form of insults) and hence stays around the board to attempt and bait people. He will even make a new account when permanently banned from the board for trolling. Does any of that sound familiar, Dave?

Originally posted by Borbarad
Actually, he consults with Yoda before hearing this which is still contradicted by the higher level canon because that consultation happens in the command center and Anakin moves right in there after it to reveal Sidious identity. Mace isn't in the command centre but in the hangar when that happens and he doesn't believe Anakin.

So we're now going to take scenes contradicting the movie as canon because of your fanboy attitude? Nice try, Lightsnake.

Now, together, blue ghost to blue ghost, they decide to take it back.

In summary? You are full of shit.

You mean "everything" with the exception of Lucas quote and the fact that they get cut down by a Sith Lord because not managing to come up with a sufficient defense in more than six seconds which is another G-Canon source.

Once again: Kenobi's thoughts > George Lucas?

In comparison to Ragnos, they apparently are cannon fodder, given how they worship his freaking spirit and Kressh thought that the freaking ionized air-particiles of Ragnos could destroy Sadow...
Red herring again. It gets old.

Who says they suck, Lightsnake. I'm just contesting Kenobi's idea that they are "some of the best swordsman ever produced by the Order". Do you get it now? There are more shades to skill than "You're godlike" and "YOU SUCK!"

Poor deluded Lightsnake. The novelization has the talk between Mace and Yoda happen before Anakin stumbles into the room, not even able to talk any more and Mace just figures out that Sidious is the Sith Lord - without Anakin telling it to him. And this scene is completely contradicted by the movie. It's simply not there. So it's O-U-T.

"Anakin, wait in the Council Chamber until we get back."

"Wh-what? Master-"

"That's an order, Anakin."

"But-but-but the Chancellor-" Anakin says desperately, clutching at the Jedi Master's hand. "What are you going to do?" And it is the true measure of Mace Windu that, even now, he still is telling the truth when he says, "Only as much as I have to."

In the virtual nonspace of the HoloNet, two Jedi Masters meet.

One is ancient, tiny, with skin of green leather and old wisdom in his eyes, standing in a Kashyyyk cave hollowed from the trunk of a vast wroshyr tree; the other is tall and fierce, seated before a holodisk in Coruscant's Jedi Temple.

To each other, they are blue ghosts, given existence by scanning lasers. Though they are light-years apart, they are of one mind; it hardly matters who says what.

Now they know the truth.

For more than a decade, the Republic has been in the hands of the Sith.

Now, together, blue ghost to blue ghost, they decide to take it back.

**** being charitable here. You're wrong or you're lying, everyone can see it and right now? I opt for the latter. So fess up and admit you're wrong here.

Pulling the words out of the novel, where they are issued by Kenobi, without a reason there. Really. Are you retarded?

So everybody that ever moved his ass into a seat on the council belongs to the "best swordsman ever" department?!

That's Lightsnake talking in first person idiocy. It's a databank, for christs sake. It just sums up information. Is wikipedia also 3rd person omniscient? Holy crap.

That any Jedi has considerable skill. Hell. An ape being able to juggle with balls has "considerable skill". You get the point now?

And it still doesn't result in "best swordsman the order has ever produced" which is what you want to prove here.

So we take the novel version, where Sidious distracts Tiin, making him lower his defense and spins over the desk with the lightsaber ignited and beheads him in a split second - instead of giving a freaking monologue with an ignited lightsaber in hand without moving

Really. What do you want? Either Sidious has to trick them in order to make one of them lower his defenses and then attack them with a previously concealed lightsaber, which means he didn't kill them we just his lightsaber skill. Or he did stand up, ignites his lightsaber, has a nice chat, jumps to the Jedi, does a nice stabbing movement - without Kolar an Tiin feeling any need to come up with an reaction.

What is it now, Lightsnake? You can chose the version you like (which is already defying the LFL canon policy that clearly states movie > novel), but the result, in either case, is that Sidious didn't butcher "some of the best swordsman ever" with his superior lightsaber skill. He either tricked some of the best, or fought against statues totally devoid of reaction time. [/B]

Originally posted by Borbarad
No. A troll wouldn't even be able to leave for a month, because he needs attention (no matter if in the form of insults) and hence stays around the board to attempt and bait people. He will even make a new account when permanently banned from the board for trolling. Does any of that sound familiar, Dave?

Seeing as how you constantly look retarded by calling me a troll without any evidence, and you get no support from the mods, you're the perfect definition of a troll. Thanks for making my case for me Nai.

And you know something? Before you shriek and ***** about ad hominen, get something through your skull:
I have tried to be civil with you time and again and each and every ****ing time you dance around like the most intentionally insulting dick you can be.. So if you're gonna whine about ad hominem? Shut it. I don't want to hear it. The moment I see a post of yours free of insults in the time you get any civility from me back. You don't get to demand civility while offering none yourself.

I think we're just about all sick and tired of having to go through this song and dance another time, so I'm going to cut to the chase, Nai. This is the situation as [we] see it: we've been going back and forth with you for years on the same subjects; the problem is that we remember the time when you subscribed to the notion that Marka Ragnos was the most powerful Sith Lord/Force-user in the mythos and that Count Dooku was better than Sidious. I'm not certain if this is part of the routine or you are simply that reluctant to admit when you're wrong, but you are wrong about this. There is a reason why the Let's-Fellate-Ragnos campaign is dead, and was even dead at EoD. You all may not have formally accepted the fact that it was a terminal issue, but it registered within the confines of your brain. Hell, even Janus only tries to bring the issue up to annoy me; it's only ever argued as a matter of ego by people much too stubborn to admit that they were wrong.

I have no intention of arguing the same issue forever. Here are the facts: Palpatine is more powerful than Count Dooku and Marka Ragnos is not the most powerful Sith Lord/Force-user ever. The arguments you have made since your "return" are filled with blatant contradictions and double standards. You take Mace Windu's opinion on Depa Billaba to be factual; something Faunus and I both called you out on, yet he is not a credible source when it comes to Obi-Wan Kenobi or his fellow Jedi Masters? You'll place stock in the words of a lying, deceitful Sith Lord [Dooku] to prove your argument, and you have to put a spin on those? You periodically cite Palpatine as the most powerful Sith Lord ever, and then will harass me ad nauseum and claim that it isn't true.

It's not something that is cute or funny. It's rather stupid that, for whatever reason, you feel inclined to put such a blatant spin for some agenda. When you try to defend Janus's logic and I apply it to another example, you predictably label it as a red herring when it concerns one of your favorite characters.

Like it or not, you lack a certain objectivity when you debate. You've never been known for it. Neither has Janus. That you are driven to completely ignore facts because you made a faulty contention that you can't reconcile with yourself is asinine.

The long and short of it is that we've all tried to get you to discuss this perceived logical miscarriage with us for years [the same offer was extended to Janus more than once], but you never accepted, which suggests that you really don't have any faith in the shit you type. This isn't meant to be offensive, it's meant to be honest. I truly see no sense in what you type. Not because I think you're stupid, but because I think you're stubborn.

I expect another evasion or a diatribe, because if there's one thing you're not, it's direct (you're blunt, it's a little different).

I think the time has come for you to repent for your sins, lol. Admit that you were wrong about Ragnos and Dooku. It would give us some common ground to start building something other than insults on.

You and LS are way too nice and passive about stupidity. Face reality, Nai's not going to change. He's going to come back here with his pseudo logic and poorly constructed humor, and we're going to go in circles again.

Probably.

But then I feel like the police officer who is telling a suspect to lower his weapon. I'm giving him a chance. If and when he doesn't, and I'm forced to shoot back, it'll be justified. I'm right and he's wrong.

Sooo... much....ego. Can't.....brea....th.

Originally posted by Gideon
Probably.

But then I feel like the police officer who is telling a suspect to lower his weapon. I'm giving him a chance. If and when he doesn't, and I'm forced to shoot back, it'll be justified. I'm right and he's wrong.

Haven't you done this for years now?

Define 'pseudologic', if you will.

You are a pseudointellectual Godless apple with banana flavor.

You are owed zero explanations.

shut up you wej.

Pseudo-logic ( sū ‘ dō-lŏ’ jək) n. A system of deduction that initially appears to be based in solid inferential reasoning, but upon closer examination is determined to actually be without logical foundation.

PseudoHUMAN

lyke u

Edit: Or an android.

You need a breath mint

Prove it.

Originally posted by Eminence
Prove it.

I smell your posts all the way from my NEW MILLENNIUM COMPUTER.