Originally posted by h1a8I think you may be recalling the fight wrong, because Beta Ray Bill was outright stomped twice by insane Thor. Now, of course, he didn't want to fight Thor, so that surely didn't help his efforts in the fight, but I really don't think you can characterize what happened as "handling him well." And it wasn't Warrior's Madness.
This is how. BRB beat Thor in canon. Second, BRB was handling WM Thor fairly well. So I say BRB is slightly Thor's superior.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is how. BRB beat Thor in canon. Second, BRB was handling WM Thor fairly well. So I say BRB is slightly Thor's superior.
Context!
In their first fight, Beta Ray Bill beat Donald Blake. He beat a cripple.
In their second fight, Beta Ray Bill was given the advantage, by Odin as Beta Ray Bill couldn't beat Thor in a fair fight. They were sent to a planet that rejuvenated him throughout the battle etc.
That's not taking into account the fact that Thor was clearly toned down in that arc. Something such as lava is "not" fatal to Thor etc.
Thor was clearly being underwritten in that arc, but I don't like getting into such a delicate subject.
Warrior Madness Thor?
Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness during "Blood and Thunder". Just a little screw loose, because of the psychic imbalance caused by Odin. Thor handed him ass in that arc, three times.
Originally posted by h1a8
SS fought WM Thor stupidity, almost like how firelord fought Spider-man. Thor threw his hammer at SS and missed. Thor was a sitting duck in space for some seconds. Some seconds is supposed to be an eternity to someone who has light speed reflexes. Yet SS didn't nail him.
Thor has at least light speed reflexes.
He fought stupidly?
That's you're opinion, but Silver Surfer stopped holding back, and Thor was pissed off.
They were going back and forth, trying defeat each other, until Thor said enough, and knocked him out.
Also, Mjolnir returns to Thor's hand rather swiftly.
Originally posted by h1a8
I mean what can Thor actually do to SS if SS doesn't get close? Now if you factor in SS's stupidity then I see your point. Probably this is why they are so evenly matched.
So you're ignoring the fact, that all Thor did in that fight, was throw his hammer, and swing blows?
Thor can do a great many things from a distance. He isn't limited to physical attacks.
If you need to ask that, then you evidently don't know a great deal about Thor.
So, because in you're opinion Silver Surfer was an idiot, you believe that proves, that he would "easily" annihilate either Classic Thor or Beta Ray Bill?
That in no way, proves you're statement. The simple fact is that you have no evidence to support you're statement.
Show me some conclusive prove that proves, Silver Surfer can do what you said he can, or admit you were wrong.
Originally posted by id369
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I commented, that initially Stardust remarked that if Bill gets pulled into the Black Hole he would not escape. I suggested ; I guess Stardust is unaware that a black hole may lead you else where, once it runs its course similar to how Surfer and Redshit was displaced. Or that Bill has his own means for escape.This is going by the fact, that no farther information is being revealed other then the fact that Stardust created a your run of the mill event horizon. To suggest that there is no corresponding white hole, is to add a suggestive opinion. Since by default black hole tend to have a white hole. You do understand that what an event horizon pulls in, must be ejected out?
There was no indication to suggest that what took place was anything else but a standard event horizon, and so your claim is baseless and false. [/B]
*Sigh*.By "Default" a blackhole doesnt have a whitehole. that is just false. Whiteholes are only hypothetical(not even generally accepted) and there is therefore no reason to assume that stardusts blackhole must have had a corresponding whitehole even without any creation of one on panel. The most accepted belief is that blackholes infinitely compress matter caught within their event horizons to a single point (singularity). You clearly have no idea what ur talking about. The matter doesnt have to be ejected anywhere.lmao Please stop presenting false facts. It only worsens ur already bad position.
From the illustration of the black hole. We clearly see the rotation of the black hole rotating clockwise. This is before and after Asteroth tempered with it. Earlier you suggested that Asteroth twisted its gravity effectively reversing the gravity rotation. Well if you are reversing the gravity rotation, your basically stating its moving counter clock wise.Again you have no real premises to suggest, that action was due to the reversal of the gravity pull. Why would gravity ut, a single piece of debris from the rest of the shattered planet? You know the rest of the debris is still being pulled in. And yet Stardust does not mention, the temperament taking place after Bill destroys the asteroid.
For all we know, Asteorth could have tossed the asteroid through her own means. And then tempered with black hole.
lol where did u get this from? Asteroth reversing the effects of gravity so that it would effect BRB and stardust and not her(which is what i suggested) in no way means she must have caused the blackhole to rotate counter clockwise. That is not even remotely true. I was never referring to Asteroth "reversing the rotation of the blackhole" but rather, her altering of its effects in regards to she Stardust and BRB.
Uhhhhh. It is not "gravity" that is singling out anyone, but rather Asteroths specific manipulation of gravity in regards to that piece of debris. Regardless of how she does it, She clearly causes the gravity of the Blackhole to have no effects on the debris and subsequently causes it to move in an opposite direction. Hence it is evidence of the unique effects that Asteroth can cause gravity to have on particular objects/targets etc. This in turn supports my original premise regarding the unique twist Asteroth had on the blackholes gravity.
Its not comparison when the event horizon has bin tampered with. It brings about new factors that can not be quantified. If the black hole was left intact, then a more reliable comparison could be concluded.And Surfers low showings, goes to reinforce what I stated earlier. That he is plagued by low’s following his highs. In which members need to draw an average. Besides Bill isn’t going to attempt to infinity compress Surfer, he will use blunt force to traumatize the Surfer. I dare say Bill hits much harder then that Asteroid.
ITs a good comparison because we know that BRB couldnt survive in the centre of a blackhole in the first place, hence the need to not get pulled into the event horizon. While gravity was manipulated so that he eventually did get pulled into said horizon the projected result was always the same.
And get that hyporcisy the hell out of here. You have chosen to take all bills showings from his best arc. Evry character has low showings, On KMC we DONT use those showings to judge them. Rather we use them at the level they are consistently portrayed at. Surfers durability is consitently portrayed at uber high levels and superior to bills. Further bill attemting to infinitely compress surfer isnt the point of bringing up the blackhole incident. The incident serves as a good guage of the toughness and hardness of surfers body. Also bill does hit hard but certainly nothing that will overwhelm a being of surfers durability. In addition surfer will get hit less than bill and has more powerful attacks than he does.
Consciously his biological structure is being supercharged by the mallet. And well when the Stormbreaker happens to be every bit of equal to Mjolnir, I would like to think that it benefits from its ability to manipulate energy as well.
That’s why no one has or will give the nod to Surfer in effectively apply matter manipulation on Bill in battle. Well everyone but you.
Being able to manipulate energy does not somehow give u inherent resistance to matter manip. Surfers manipulation of legacy and the nega bands themselves is proof of that. BRB still has no examples of resisting matter manip with/without hammer and his situation is worsened further because it has been shown on panel that surfer can already manipulate his structure.
Further, once again attemtping to appeal to some imaginary support is not going to cover up the holes in ur argument. No one needs to have done anything for my point to be valid. More useless and fallacious reasoning
Oh so I repeat the same thing over and over again? Then let me bring up another point. Tell me how good is Bill’s reaction time, and perception of speed? It has to be significantly high, in order to cope with the incredible flight speed, react fast enough to intercept fire arms or energy blasts.But the biggest give away, is Bill reciting what he perceived. As in the case of Silver Surfer v3 #121-122.
Surfer was, koed by a ball of energy traveling a multiples speed of light. While Quasar had a bit of trouble making out what happened, Bill recited what he perceived, with out effort.If Bill can calmly perceive an object at multiples speed of light. I would think, he should be able to perceive Surfers movements, and adequately apply what ever means of actions.
Bill being able to perceive that beam of light hitting surfer is impressive but not equivalent to his physical reaction time. Surfer has him beaten comfortably in that regard. Therefore it is undeniable that surfer will get more hits on bill than bill will get on him.
Now, we understand that Surfer has moments of applying speed in action. However those are only maybe 10 scans, and maybe handful where actual light speed was applied in combat…out of over 250 general comic book appearances? There is no way, Bill will get overwhelmed by Surfers speed.What you have left to understand is that, feats are only an aspect that can be factored in a fight. A characters history, and generalization of what takes place also must be considered given the fact, that essentially illustrates said characters habits and tendencies. If a character applied speed in 10 battles, and didn’t do so for 200 other plus encounters. Its not PIS to say, he may not apply so here given his history.
Please Go and read the rules again and stop with the continuous foolishness. Take the ratio of the times superman has applied speed in combat to the ratio of the times he hasnt. IT is very lopsided in favor of his not using it in combat. However he has shown that its in character for him to use that speed despite the relatively low frequency of times he has used it. This is covered under the "full capacity rule which indicates that a character will fight to the best of the abilities they have shown it is in character for them to use. Hence using that speed is a valid tactic. The same goes for surfer. He has shown it is in character for him to use his speed in combat. Therefore because he will be fighting to the best of his abilities, then his using speed is very valid as well. Further no one is saying surfers speed will overwhelm Beta ray. U keep coming up with that on ur own. The point is that surfers speed is a significant advantage which when coupled with other factors give him the victory here.
Feats are what we use to determine a characters powerlevel. True they are only one aspect of the match, but depedning on the context they are usually a very crucial aspect.In addition Feats and a characters history are intertwined and so cant be taken as completely seperate. Characters not making use of some of their particular of their abilities occur mainly due to plot and at other times due to certain willful decisions made by the characters themselves. However the characters in VS matches will be able to make use of any of the abilities theyve shown are in character for them to use during battle. Hence surfer will be making use of his speed advantage. Heck no one is even claiming that surfer will speedblitz him FTW or something of that nature.
Ignoring this slap fist reply.
More like dodging after being called out in ur failure to even read the post u quoted.
It would mean something, if it didn’t come from a bush league debater.
Continuous use of fallacious reasoning,misrepresentation of facts,repeated dodging as well as a total lack of understanding of rules put u at far lower than "bush league" mate.
Its almost here.😮💨
Originally posted by id369
Its almost here.😮💨
I forgot they were supposed to fight soon. Is it this month or next month?
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
overall maybe, but what about [b]durability? 🤨BRB is part machine, aint he suppose to be more durable then Thor? (vs slash/pierce/energy attacks & all that) [/B]
No.
He is more durable to heat, which was displayed in like two comics. Completely contradicted the incidents where Thor's like taken the heat of an exploding sun, or stood and fought IN the sun. But apparently that doesn't matter!
Originally posted by TenebrousI dislike how surfer is written here. He's written back to his "let's talk about it first" SS vol. 3 self as opposed to the no-bull-shitting Herald of Galactus that he's been presented as for the past 3 years since annihilation.
Also the art looks real subpar, at least on this page.
Originally posted by Tenebrous
^ It's from the preview. I was only able to get page 6 of 6 due to the other 5 not loading on my machine.
Well it could be a lot worse if you think about it. Surfer's trying to talk but (at least in that scan) he's not doing it standing around, he's doing it while he's kicking ass. Technically Galactus just granted him the "will" to do what must be done but that doesn't have to mean that Surfer's actually more inclined to fight. It could just mean that he won't be hampered by his distaste for violence. It's likely to be something that's inconsistently portrayed until Surfer betrays Galactus again.
