id369
The Man of Tomorrow
????...........Errr, didnt u know that when ur trying to use personal attacks u should at least be coherent? lol. Rather poor attempt.Keep em coming though
Hehe, that was worth a chuckle.
I am glad you don’t approve. I plucked out the comment from a member that has trouble putting his comments together. But hey what can you do about it right?
sigh. So this is what it feels like arguing with the mentally impaired. U read my previous post and somehow comprehended that i believed surfer fought in a wormhole? U really saw an implication of that somewhere? lmao. Damn ur not even trying to make sense anymore.Yes basically a blackhole sucks u into its centre where u are crushed. This was clearly the purpose of stardust blackhole. In the case of a wormhole, a blackhole is its entry point and the "other end" is the corresponding white hole which expels u in a different location. U suggested that stardusts blackhole may have been intended to BFR asteroth which would mean it was a wormhole. For this to be true however he would have to create a corresponding whitehole at another location. There was no indication of this and so ur claim is baseless and false.
I believe your caught in your confusion, and lost gripe of the point I was trying to establish.
I commented, that initially Stardust remarked that if Bill gets pulled into the Black Hole he would not escape. I suggested ; I guess Stardust is unaware that a black hole may lead you else where, once it runs its course similar to how Surfer and Redshit was displaced. Or that Bill has his own means for escape.
This is going by the fact, that no farther information is being revealed other then the fact that Stardust created a your run of the mill event horizon. To suggest that there is no corresponding white hole, is to add a suggestive opinion. Since by default black hole tend to have a white hole. You do understand that what an event horizon pulls in, must be ejected out?
There was no indication to suggest that what took place was anything else but a standard event horizon, and so your claim is baseless and false.
lol.I claimed it was moving counter clockwise? Seriously i now were pretty far along in this thread ur new strategy of formulating nonsense out of thin air and claiming i made such arguments is weak even for u.Further twisting the gravity of the blackhole DOES indicate that it will operate in a different way from normal. Asteroth twisted the gravity of the blackhole so that it wouldnt affect her but would affect bill and stardust. Their is a clear on panel portrayal of the uniqueness of this gravity twist.
When Asteroth says "show u something of the cosmos i will" She causes some pieces of debris to rush towards bill to be affected by gravity differently and causes them to rush toward Beta ray bill thereby causing them to move in an opposite direction from the blackholes natural gravitational pull.
From the illustration of the black hole. We clearly see the rotation of the black hole rotating clockwise. This is before and after Asteroth tempered with it. Earlier you suggested that Asteroth twisted its gravity effectively reversing the gravity rotation. Well if you are reversing the gravity rotation, your basically stating its moving counter clock wise.
Again you have no real premises to suggest, that action was due to the reversal of the gravity pull. Why would gravity single out, a single piece of debris from the rest of the shattered planet? You know the rest of the debris is still being pulled in. And yet Stardust does not mention, the temperament taking place after Bill destroys the asteroid.
For all we know, Asteorth could have tossed the asteroid through her own means. And then tempered with black hole.
Its is a good direct comparison because we see how both characters fair when pulled into the centre of a blackhole. Asteroth didnt augment anything so ur "tampered by a Cosmic being of the highest order" argument is irrelevant.Also ur bringing up a prior low point in that arc which is irrelevant is more evidence of debating ineptitude.
Its not comparison when the event horizon has bin tampered with. It brings about new factors that can not be quantified. If the black hole was left intact, then a more reliable comparison could be concluded.
And Surfers low showings, goes to reinforce what I stated earlier. That he is plagued by low’s following his highs. In which members need to draw an average. Besides Bill isn’t going to attempt to infinity compress Surfer, he will use blunt force to traumatize the Surfer. I dare say Bill hits much harder then that Asteroid.
More gibberish. U have no proof that bill has any more resistance to matter manip conscious or not as its lear its not inherent within his biological structure. Further ur claims about it being ineffective cuz he has "an enhanted item" are not only unsuported by anything but ur personal delusions, but are even more laughable because Surfer actually manipulated stormbreaker itself.
Consciously his biological structure is being supercharged by the mallet. And well when the Stormbreaker happens to be every bit of equal to Mjolnir, I would like to think that it benefits from its ability to manipulate energy as well.
That’s why no one has or will give the nod to Surfer in effectively apply matter manipulation on Bill in battle. Well everyone but you.
This foolishness has to stop. All u do is ignore what is said since u cant counter it and repeat the same thing over and over again. Your response is a deliberate omission of context and a useless attempt at glossing over important details. The "other beings" that have superspeed and have fought bill [B]DIDNT make use of it in combat against him. So how the hell can u try to use that as a reference in regards to how he counters against superspeed? Its Retarded. Its equivalent to claiming that superman has been able to do well against energy manipulators and hence will do so in a VS match despite the fact that in those fights the energy manipulators NEVER made use of their energy manipulation abilities in the first place. Ur repeated use of classic thor vs surfer to supposedly back up ur point is therefore inane as well considering that surfer never used superspeed in any of their fights.Further its evident that u have hardly even read the rules and dont even know the meaning of a combatant fighting "in character" to "full capacity". Fighting in character indicates that the combatants use the abilities they have shown are within their character to use in a given scenario or context to the fullest. Arguing for surfer using his speed to give him the advantage over bill isnt arguing powersets u idiot. In addition, arguing that bills "battle honed experience" will be enough to counter it without any examples of him countering an opponent ACTUALLY USING COMBAT SPEED IN THE MANNER BEING DESCRIBED has nothing to do with being "in character". It isnt based on history but is a piss poor generilization.
Oh so I repeat the same thing over and over again? Then let me bring up another point. Tell me how good is Bill’s reaction time, and perception of speed? It has to be significantly high, in order to cope with the incredible flight speed, react fast enough to intercept fire arms or energy blasts.
But the biggest give away, is Bill reciting what he perceived. As in the case of Silver Surfer v3 #121-122.
Surfer was, koed by a ball of energy traveling a multiples speed of light. While Quasar had a bit of trouble making out what happened, Bill recited what he perceived, with out effort.
If Bill can calmly perceive an object at multiples speed of light. I would think, he should be able to perceive Surfers movements, and adequately apply what ever means of actions.
Now, we understand that Surfer has moments of applying speed in action. However those are only maybe 10 scans, and maybe handful where actual light speed was applied in combat…out of over 250 general comic book appearances? There is no way, Bill will get overwhelmed by Surfers speed.
What you have left to understand is that, feats are only an aspect that can be factored in a fight. A characters history, and generalization of what takes place also must be considered given the fact, that essentially illustrates said characters habits and tendencies. If a character applied speed in 10 battles, and didn’t do so for 200 other plus encounters. Its not PIS to say, he may not apply so here given his history.
Damn now uve started imagining things.
Ur idiocy prevents u from beng able to even read the posts ur quoting. I didnt deter the point of ur reference at all. The statement of mine u quoted was in regards to the speed issue.lol. TRY AND READ NEXT TIME. it helps. Im sure i ur case it would help a whole lot really. I was describing ur nonsensical attempts to ignore context and details in regards to speed in surfer and thor matches. U showed horrendous comprehension skills and missed the point of a post yet again . The reasons the debate is not advancing are ur recalcitrance and failure to actually read before responding (something i would have thought even u capable of doing sad )
Ignoring this slap fist reply.
More like a victim of ur all out attack on rationality and logic.
It would mean something, if it didn’t come from a bush league debater.
