Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I like how people will gladly say the Surfer was holding back, but ignore BRB's comments about being "in parley" with Norrin. The attack from Skuttlebutt was not ordererd by BRB, he was trying to convince Norrin at the time.

Bill was only "in parley" with Norrin AFTER he was already thrashed. That shows absolutely no indicatiion of him holding back at all. Infact, Bill was actually still TRYING TO FIGHT. SS then told him not to rise and asked him :why do u persist?" which indicates that Bill still wanted to go at it even though SS had stopped attacking him. ITs only then that Bill began to converse with SS. During the heat of the battle SS was the one portrayed as holding back and wanting to talk it over while Bill didnt care and knocked SS clean off his board while indicating that he didnt want to talk about anything. Nothing at all shows he was holding back.

Originally posted by Spire
It was only a plot device in the way that Surfer had to do something as his blasts, rush and/or attempt to H2H failed.

Blasting, rushing and attemptin to h2h isn't the Surfer's only powers you know. The board is part of it.

Originally posted by Spire
BRB should have kept on him. It wasn't a 'fight' is what I'm saying.

BRB WAS keeping on him. At what part of the scan did it show him slowing down at all?? He was talking, yes, but so was the Surfer. This is a comic, most fights have ppl talking in mid combat.

Originally posted by Spire
When Surfer gets knocked into the ship, in that same panel, the board already breaks to the side.

Then comes the close up of BRB saying, "What do we have to talk about?"

Which is more indicative of BRB NOT wanting to talk.

Originally posted by Spire
I didn't even need to turn the page as I already knew what was going to happen.

This actually more or less proves your bias here.

Originally posted by Spire
Lol at all this denial and wankage.

BRB countered Surfer's blast. Surfer moved in close, then got owned and knocked into a ship.

Done. The fight "ends" here.

Now comes plot device.

Surfer and BRB start talking while, BRB blocks Surfer's blast again. Surfer's board then hits him from behind while Surfer hits him twice while he is stunned. BRB might have moved maybe a foot at most after receiving his punches.

Wow.

Surfer totally creamed the guy and was telling him not to get up. How anyone could argue otherwise is beyond all logic and reason.

Originally posted by Starscream M
So you think Surfer is far more powerful than BRB...cuz in that encounter, he treated BRB like a little school kid

how do you think Thor stacks up to Surfer then?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Sorry Quan let me make it easier for you to get the idea. This the reason the battle turn in surfer favor.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Blasting, rushing and attemptin to h2h isn't the Surfer's only powers you know. The board is part of it.

Hahaha.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
BRB WAS keeping on him. At what part of the scan did it show him slowing down at all?? He was talking, yes, but so was the Surfer. This is a comic, most fights have ppl talking in mid combat.

After, he knocked him into the ship he should have just continued attacking, etc. or talking AND attacking.

But for BRB to just stop an attacking and start talking after the previous panel when the board was already shown banking to the side...

How convenient.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Which is more indicative of BRB NOT wanting to talk.

Missing the point. Think harder.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This actually more or less proves your bias here.

Umm, ok.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Plot device? What are you talking about? He used his board while at the same time blasting at Bill. Since when was fighting smart a plot device?

Surfer totally creamed the guy and was telling him not to get up. How anyone could argue otherwise is beyond all logic and reason.

No, it was already set up before he tried to blast him. Cosmic Awareness must have told him that BRB wouldnt attack anymore and just talk.

It's not as clear cut as people are making this out to be. He did fight smart it just that it was set up a bit more than people want to give credit for.

Originally posted by Spire
Hahaha.

Yeah, exactly what I thought with your whole "plot device" claim.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by Spire
After, he knocked him into the ship he should have just continued attacking, etc. or talking [b]AND attacking.

But for BRB to just stop an attacking and start talking after the previous panel when the board was already shown banking to the side...

How convenient.[/B]

Lol. STOP attacking?? He used his hammer to deflect a cosmic blast and then got nailed by the board. There is zero indication that he actually stopped attacking, you're making stuff up now.

Originally posted by Spire
Missing the point. Think harder.

Imagine less. Think more.

Originally posted by Spire
Umm, ok.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Spire
No, it was already set up before he tried to blast him. Cosmic Awareness must have told him that BRB wouldnt attack anymore and just talk.

It's not as clear cut as people are making this out to be. He did fight smart it just that it was set up a bit more than people want to give credit for.

Surfer showed he is above BrB. He beat his ass practically into the fetal position while trying to talk him down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer doesn't have cosmic awareness.

Originally posted by Spire
No, it was already set up before he tried to blast him. Cosmic Awareness must have told him that BRB wouldnt attack anymore and just talk.

Plausible. Cept mebbe that nothing on-panel even remotely showed that this was the case.

Originally posted by Spire
It's not as clear cut as people are making this out to be. He did fight smart it just that it was set up a bit more than people want to give credit for.

Ppl said that BRB got owned in this fight. That's not giving too much credit. It's a fact.

The fact he got OWNED answers the question posed by this thread. No1 claimed anything more than that. That's it. BRB. OWNED. Do you deny this?

Lets all chill for a moment. I was pushing for a competitive match, and truth be told. The comic answered the vary topic at hand. Though much was off panel, and I wish it would have bin a fight until a conclusive victory. The victor was clearly decided.

But hey, its not like nothing came out of that comic. It is now confirmed that Beta Ray Bill and the Surfer can fight at Faster the light speeds in mid flight.stoned

Maybe, just maybe good old horse face can get a rematch in #3. But with the hammer not responding, it seems doubtful.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Quel?

Originally posted by quanchi112
What?

Surfer does have cosmic awareness...

yea where was it stated that he no longer has it?

Originally posted by id369
I wish it would have bin a fight until a conclusive victory. The victor was clearly decided.

Well, I was under the impression that BRB being in fetal position was a conclusive victory. 😛

Seriously, the fight between Surfer and Bill didn't quite sit right with me. I mean I LOVE to see Surfer kick ass, but he honestly seemed to have too easy a time taking Bill down IMO. Personally I think it was right to have Surfer win decisively, but I think there should have been some back and forth action to make Surfer work for it.

I think it's great and all, but given the way Surfer's portrayals fluctuate I think it's going to end up being on the "High End" side for Surfer rather than the average.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Seriously, the fight between Surfer and Bill didn't quite sit right with me. I mean I LOVE to see Surfer kick ass, but he honestly seemed to have too easy a time taking Bill down IMO. Personally I think it was right to have Surfer win decisively, but I think there should have been some back and forth action to make Surfer work for it.

I think it's great and all, but given the way Surfer's portrayals fluctuate I think it's going to end up being on the "High End" side for Surfer rather than the average.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Seriously, the fight between Surfer and Bill didn't quite sit right with me. I mean I LOVE to see Surfer kick ass, but he honestly seemed to have too easy a time taking Bill down IMO. Personally I think it was right to have Surfer win decisively, but I think there should have been some back and forth action to make Surfer work for it.

I think it's great and all, but given the way Surfer's portrayals fluctuate I think it's going to end up being on the "High End" side for Surfer rather than the average.

I'll be honest, too. Didn't expect the Surfer to win so decisively. Especially in Bill's own comic. I was giving Bill a slight advantage because of his hammer's ability to absorb energy (Surfer's main attack). But I guess the board (w/c is NOT A PLOT DEVICE, ppl) has always been underutilized in most of his fights.

It was smart fighting really. Against someone who can absorb your energy attacks and is more effective H2H in terms of skill, the best bet is to use something that is non-energy and can hit at a distance. The answer? The board.

The main power difference that seems to show here, tho, is how each other's successful attacks affected each other. Bill's first 2 hits merely knocked the Surfer off the board, Surfer's boad plus 1-2 hits made BRB bleed and ended up with him in a fetal position at the Surfer's feet. I dunno, maybe it's more a durability feat but BRB has always shown to have insane durability himself.

I'm thinking that Classic Surfer would have had far more trouble with BRB had they fought. But instead of chalking this up as a high showing, perhaps we need to start acknowledging that the Annihilation Wave storyline DID introduce a power upgrade for the Surfer (a lot of ppl still don't).

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'll be honest, too. Didn't expect the Surfer to win so decisively. Especially in Bill's own comic. I was giving Bill a slight advantage because of his hammer's ability to absorb energy (Surfer's main attack). But I guess the board (w/c is NOT A PLOT DEVICE, ppl) has always been underutilized in most of his fights.

It was smart fighting really. Against someone who can absorb your energy attacks and is more effective H2H in terms of skill, the best bet is to use something that is non-energy and can hit at a distance. The answer? The board.

The main power difference that seems to show here, tho, is how each other's successful attacks affected each other. Bill's first 2 hits merely knocked the Surfer off the board, Surfer's boad plus 1-2 hits made BRB bleed and ended up with him in a fetal position at the Surfer's feet. I dunno, maybe it's more a durability feat but BRB has always shown to have insane durability himself.

I'm thinking that Classic Surfer would have had far more trouble with BRB had they fought. But instead of chalking this up as a high showing, perhaps we need to start acknowledging that the Annihilation Wave storyline DID introduce a power upgrade for the Surfer (a lot of ppl still don't).

I think that Marvel should start showcasing Surfer's actual "board blitz" more often...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Thor193-10.jpg

And I totally acknowledge Surfer's powerup(official or unofficial, however you see it) in Annihilation, I'm just skeptical as to whether or not it'll be shown to this extent with any degree of regularity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but Marvel's let me down too many times in the past for blind faith on my part...

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think that Marvel should start showcasing Surfer's actual "board blitz" more often...

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Thor193-10.jpg

And I totally acknowledge Surfer's powerup(official or unofficial, however you see it) in Annihilation, I'm just skeptical as to whether or not it'll be shown to this extent with any degree of regularity. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but Marvel's let me down too many times in the past for blind faith on my part...

I agree with everything you say here. 👆