Originally posted by id369
Ah perfect, then the only thing left to comment. Is why he wins more often then not.
2. Surfer's strength is at the very least comparable to BRB's, as made evident by the fact that he was able to stand toe to toe with Lunatik(who's pretty much kicked Hercules's ass).
3. Surfer's more durable. Bill might be able to take a supernova, but Surfer can do it and be completely unphased. Unless I'm mistaken, Bill was worried about getting sucked into a Blackhole, Surfer's completely unaffected by them.
4. Surfer has a higher power output(creates blackholes, matches Thanos, ect.).
5. Surfer fights smarter(Bill's even more a a brawler than Thor is).
Originally posted by id369
Flexibility/Versatility means nothing, unless its meant to put down BRB. An Empty statement, not worth mentioning in battle. Unless an actual reference, or a specific ability is claimed. Why bother?
*Sigh*. Versatility does mean alot. It means that surfer has more options of attack during battle. Hence he has an enhanced offence.
n every instance that BRB has fought alongside and against Heralds including the Surfer. Not once, has he ever bin portrayed as left in the dust. Or unable to keep up with their speed. Not a single on panel instance.
Unable to keep up with their speed? He was fighting alongside them not against them. He wouldnt need tokeep up with him during battle considering its either they were fighting different opponents or that they were fighting the same opponent with surfer not using his speed.
Durability…what has Surfer tanked that BRB has not done so already?
Fought inside blackhole while weakened and diverting his energy(didnt fly through one but actually fought in it),numerous aimed to kill blasts from Tenebrous and Aegis, Took an supernova whos shockwaves extended galaxies away with absolutely no harm, Took attacks from an elder god with limitless power (by Galactus admission)etc
And Strength, there is no evidence to suggest BRB superiority is marginal. Unless Surfer has a strength feat to suggest so, its yet again an empty statement.
The feat u showed of Beta Ray while extremely impressive wasnt acomplished with his strength alone. It was using stormbreaker as well as the fact that he had energy around him. surfer has physially matched/overcome an angry hulk plus warbound and overwhelmed Lunatik (who has shown to be comparable to hercules in strength). Claer indication of his strength being comparable.
In addition surfer also has a superior poweroutput to BRB which further proves his offensive superiority as well as being havin worked with BRB numerous times and been stated to be superior.
So please enlighten me.
U have been enlightened.
Originally posted by darthgoober
1. Surfer uses speed in combat(at least as far as dodging goes) so Bill's not going to be landing anywhere near as many shot's as vice versa. Even if we credit Bill wth being equal to Thor that still puts his maxspeed at 3x lightspeed and that's only if he throws his hammer and holds on(which would make it pretty tough to land a punch), Surfer can move hundreds and thousands of times lightspeed.
Right because in the Surfer’s entire vast history of showings. He is constantly maxing out at light speed movements right? Some where along the lines, you need to differentiate single instances; track records if you will. From ongoing showings, and his on going showings greatly conflicts to down right embarrassing moments.
I will say it again, so you can reconsider your remake. BRB has never bin left in the dust, by Surfer or any other herald in a side by side panel.
Originally posted by darthgoober2. Surfer's strength is at the very least comparable to BRB's, as made evident by the fact that he was able to stand toe to toe with Lunatik(who's pretty much kicked Hercules's ass).
Oh wait, so character comparisons make a valid point? But only because Surfer lacks any track record reference for members to make use off. This is the same Luntatik that was killed current Drank? Come on, you can think of something better.
Originally posted by darthgoober3. Surfer's more durable. Bill might be able to take a supernova, but Surfer can do it and be completely unphased. Unless I'm mistaken, Bill was worried about getting sucked into a Blackhole, Surfer's completely unaffected by them.
Originally posted by darthgoober4. Surfer has a higher power output(creates blackholes, matches Thanos, ect.).
If he outgunned Stardust, where is BRB placed in energy output? And secondly, he tanked Galactus cultivating energy discharge aimed at the planet. I would say, he can take Surfers energy blasts.
Originally posted by Naija boy
*Sigh*. Versatility does mean alot. It means that surfer has more options of attack during battle. Hence he has an enhanced offence.
Originally posted by Naija boyUnable to keep up with their speed? He was fighting alongside them not against them. He wouldnt need tokeep up with him during battle considering its either they were fighting different opponents or that they were fighting the same opponent with surfer not using his speed. .
How about you actually pay attention to my comment. BRB has fought both along side, and against heralds. And not once, has he ever bin unable to keep up. Now if you want to around the fact, that’s seriously up to you. Oh and if Surfer does not use his speed, with a group of opponents makes him an idiot.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Fought inside blackhole while weakened and diverting his energy(didnt fly through one but actually fought in it),numerous aimed to kill blasts from Tenebrous and Aegis, Took an supernova whos shockwaves extended galaxies away with absolutely no harm, Took attacks from an elder god with limitless power (by Galactus admission)etc
Originally posted by Naija boyThe feat u showed of Beta Ray while extremely impressive wasnt acomplished with his strength alone. It was using stormbreaker as well as the fact that he had energy around him. surfer has physially matched/overcome an angry hulk plus warbound and overwhelmed Lunatik (who has shown to be comparable to hercules in strength). Claer indication of his strength being comparable
Or what about leaving a mark, on Galactus on himself. Someone Surfer has confronted, but has yet accomplish.
Originally posted by Naija boyU have been enlightened.
Try harder.
Originally posted by id369
Right because in the Surfer’s entire vast history of showings. He is constantly maxing out at light speed movements right? Some where along the lines, you need to differentiate single instances; track records if you will. From ongoing showings, and his on going showings greatly conflicts to down right embarrassing moments.I will say it again, so you can reconsider your remake. BRB has never bin left in the dust, by Surfer or any other herald in a side by side panel.
And of course he wasn't left in the dust by the other heralds, he was on their side. Did you really expect them to leave him behind while they go fight the next battle at top speed? Batman normally makes it to the next fight right along side with with the Flash and Supes also, but that doesn't mean that he's anywhere near as fast as they are.
You want a more direct comparison of speed though?
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/StarMasters3014.jpg
...if Surfer can fly at speeds that Bill has to use a warp tunnel to match, I think it's pretty save to say that he's a fair share faster.
Originally posted by id369
Oh wait, so character comparisons make a valid point? But only because Surfer lacks any track record reference for members to make use off. This is the same Luntatik that was killed current Drank? Come on, you can think of something better.
Originally posted by id369
I will give you that, Surfer is unphased by a Blackhole and Supernova. But only if you reserve, and esteem his history of good showings. Surfer is also plagued with low ones, didn’t he get K”Oed by the Thing? You cant just set sights, and preach high showing disregarding the low ones.
Originally posted by id369
Ah see, so Surfer outclasses BRB. His energy out put is to high for him to match. 2 questions.If he outgunned Stardust, where is BRB placed in energy output? And secondly, he tanked Galactus cultivating energy discharge aimed at the planet. I would say, he can take Surfers energy blasts.
And I'm not saying he'll be one shotted by Surfer's blast, just that Surfer's blast have more showings of greater power. Like I(and many others) have pointed out it's not going to be easy for Surfer, it's just the most likely eventuality.
Originally posted by id369
Name those options, you speak of. Oh wait its statement used when he is confronted with the likes such as Hulk, Superman, or Gladiator because his versatility permits weaknesses to exploit. Beta Ray Bill has none for Surfer to exploit in such a manner. That why its, an empty statement.
Originally posted by id369
Name those options, you speak of. Oh wait its statement used when he is confronted with the likes such as Hulk, Superman, or Gladiator because his versatility permits weaknesses to exploit. Beta Ray Bill has none for Surfer to exploit in such a manner. That why its, an empty statement making.
My God. versatiliy is not an option left to only exploiting weaknesses. How can u seriously think that ? It is a something that enhances both a persons offense and defense. Beause of surfers versatility he can do things like offensively and defensively use forcefields(both useful against BRB) and use matter manipulate(useful against BRB), in additon to his blasts and physical attacks. All of which enhances his overall offensive output. Thinking its n empty statement is just ridiuculous
How about you actually pay attention to my comment. BRB has fought both along side, and against heralds. And not once, has he ever bin unable to keep up. Now if you want to around the fact, that’s seriously up to you. Oh and if Surfer does not use his speed, with a group of opponents makes him an idiot.
Ayayaya. I have had enough idiocy for one day. BRB fighting alongside heralds as i said is indicative of nothing. Because in those time he didnt have tokeep up with them at all. In some instances he was not fighting the same opponents as they were even( so he had no need to keep up) and in other instances they werent even using their speed. The same thing goes for BRB's fights against heralds. When he cheapshotted surfer in the Blood and thunder arc (in which surfer didnt even want to fight him since he was supposed to be an ally), surfer certainly WASNT using any speed at all. So h keeping up with him in that scenario has no bearings here. The same is true for his fight against Stardust who also wasnt fighting at superspeed(never seen staedust do that anyhow). Ur last statement just shows the flimsiness of ur argument. Surfer has shown to use his speed against groups of opponents and in singular combat as well. Hence it is valid under the KMC full capacity rule. As seen below
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferblitznova3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferblitznova2.jpg
Him not doing using it in a partiular scenario is obviously to advance plot amd is hence not applicable here since it is an example of the character forgetting the presence of one of his established abilities. PIS for short. Further im not even arguing that surfer is going to win via speedblitzing BRB or anything like that. His superior speed which hewill be using here however is obviously an advantage defensively and offensively.
Oh wow, and BRB took a shot from Galactus meant to murder the planet. Let alone, his fight against Astroth, who was shattering planets as she flew.
BRB took a shot from Galactus that isnt even powerful enough to destroy the planet. Hardly proves anything By his own indication he would he couldnt survive a blackhole. Surfer fought in one as while weakened with no injuries whatsoever. That tells us all we need to know inr regards to durability.
Clear indications aren’t so clear, lunatik, and Hulk are not the best man to guage strength from. Didn’t Beta Ray Bill best Thor in unarmed combat, I mean that is how was granted the stormbreaker right? How about, giving concreted showing to warrant a strength advantage? Or what about leaving a mark, on Galactus on himself. Someone Surfer has confronted, but has yet accomplish.
the only thing that would make them unclear is ur blindness to the obvious. Classic lunatik had comparable strength to Hercules. And yet got physically mauled by surfer. How is holding ur own and even getting the better of an angry Hulk on together with the warbound not a clear indication. Nonsense. And ur question "How about giving a concrete showing to warrant an advantage" is inane. Improve ur reading comprehension Im not claiming surfer has a strength advantage. Im claiming that he is within that range the same top tier strength range of BRB. Also leaving a mark on galactus doesnt mean anything. IIRC even thing has done so.
Try harder.
No need.
Originally posted by darthgoober
He doesn't have to use his speed constantly for it to be valid in a forum fight, he just has to show the ability. I don't like that Supes blitzes Hulk in a forum fight either, but those are the rules.And of course he wasn't left in the dust by the other heralds, he was on their side. Did you really expect them to leave him behind while they go fight the next battle at top speed? Batman normally makes it to the next fight right along side with with the Flash and Supes also, but that doesn't mean that he's anywhere near as fast as they are.
You want a more direct comparison of speed though?
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/StarMasters3014.jpg
...if Surfer can fly at speeds that Bill has to use a warp tunnel to match, I think it's pretty save to say that he's a fair share faster.
Oh with out a doubt, Surfer flies at speeds faster then light. Undoubted true. Does he fight, at speeds faster then light? More often the not, he does not. No I take that back, For ever single instance you show a scan of Surfer fighting of him fighting, actual fluid movements at light speed. I can post 10 scans stating otherwise. Its not a race, and where not here to see who sets the biggest bench mark.
You see its not what the forum comes to understand. Its what the broad mass, who cant think for themselves simply accept.
Originally posted by darthgooberWhat's wrong with using character comparison's exactly? If you saw Thing match somebody in strength, wouldn't that be a pretty good indication that BRB was stronger than whoever it was that Thing overpowered?
Originally posted by darthgooberYeah everybody has high and low showings, I'm not denying that. I'm pretty sure Bill's been put down by less than a supernova or planet buster too, but you didn't mention those in the same post as his taking those shots did you?
Originally posted by darthgooberDepends on how you rate Stardust. I haven't seen anything from her that's beyond the things that Surfer's pulled off, but I have seen Surfer pull off some crazy feats that we shouldn't credit Stardust(or anyone else, herald or not) with until the themselves prove themselves capable of. All heralds are not created equally, being able to match or overpower Stardust in no way suggest that he could do the same against Surfer until Stardust establishes him/herself with being Surfer's equal in energy output.
Originally posted by darthgooberAnd I'm not saying he'll be one shotted by Surfer's blast, just that Surfer's blast have more showings of greater power. Like I(and many others) have pointed out it's not going to be easy for Surfer, it's just the most likely eventuality.
It would be no different, with Beta Ray Bill. Considering the fact, they are near equal and Bill happens to be more battle oriented. If I didn’t think its was a close match, I would not bother posting it.
Originally posted by Naija boy
My God. versatiliy is not an option left to only exploiting weaknesses. How can u seriously think that ? It is a something that enhances both a persons offense and defense. Beause of surfers versatility he can do things like offensively and defensively use forcefields(both useful against BRB) and use matter manipulate(useful against BRB), in additon to his blasts and physical attacks. All of which enhances his overall offensive output. Thinking its n empty statement is just ridiuculous
Originally posted by Naija boyAyayaya. I have had enough idiocy for one day. BRB fighting alongside heralds as i said is indicative of nothing. Because in those time he didnt have tokeep up with them at all. In some instances he was not fighting the same opponents as they were even( so he had no need to keep up) and in other instances they werent even using their speed. The same thing goes for BRB's fights against heralds. When he cheapshotted surfer in the Blood and thunder arc (in which surfer didnt even want to fight him since he was supposed to be an ally), surfer certainly WASNT using any speed at all. So h keeping up with him in that scenario has no bearings here. The same is true for his fight against Stardust who also wasnt fighting at superspeed(never seen staedust do that anyhow). Ur last statement just shows the flimsiness of ur argument. Surfer has shown to use his speed against groups of opponents and in singular combat as well. Hence it is valid under the KMC full capacity rule. As seen below
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferblitznova3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferblitznova2.jpg
Him not doing using it in a partiular scenario is obviously to advance plot amd is hence not applicable here since it is an example of the character forgetting the presence of one of his established abilities. PIS for short. Further im not even arguing that surfer is going to win via speedblitzing BRB or anything like that. His superior speed which hewill be using here however is obviously an advantage defensively and offensively.
Stardust and Bill where actually zipping through space. And really the statement still stands. Until Bill is left embarrassed due to speed, he will not have much of problem fighting Surfer.
Unless Surfer wants to run, yeah then his quantillion times luminal speed will come in handy.
Originally posted by Naija boyBRB took a shot from Galactus that isnt even powerful enough to destroy the planet. Hardly proves anything By his own indication he would he could survive a blackhole. Surfer fought in one as while weakened with no injuries whatsoever. That tells us all we need to know inr regards to durability.
Originally posted by Naija boythe only thing that would make them unclear is ur blindness to the obvious. Classic lunatik had comparable strength to Hercules. And yet got physically mauled by surfer. How is holding ur own and even getting the better of an angry Hulk on together with the warbound not a clear indication. Nonsense. And ur question "How about giving a concrete showing to warrant an advantage" is inane. Improve ur reading comprehension Im not claiming surfer has a strength advantage. Im claiming that he is within that range the same top tier strength range of BRB. Also leaving a mark on galactus doesnt mean anything. IIRC even thing has done so.
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ABC logic can only take you so far. BRB destroyed a planet with one hit, BRB fought Thor and won, BRB cracked Galactus body armor. Beta Ray Bill is in a different class of strength then Surfer.
Originally posted by id369
Absolutely nothing wrong. Its just funny, how some will dismiss character comparisons, for a track record. And yet I am still not convinced. Bill hammered a planet into its destruction (track record). Bill submitted Thor in unarmed combat (character comparison). Clearly, one character has the beneficence to claim strength advantage over the other because of the fact. And that is Beta Ray Bill.
This is an extremely hypocritical statement. Character comparisons? Bill and surfer have been compared on more than one occasion with surfer being portrayed as superior. Doesnt get much straighter than that.
Also when bill fought thor, what happened was a double KO in which Bill eventually got up first.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This is an extremely hypocritical statement. Character comparisons? Bill and surfer have been compared on more than one occasion with surfer being portrayed as superior. Doesnt get much straighter than that.Also when bill fought thor, what happened was a double KO in which Bill eventually got up first.
Yes indeed, Bill fought Thor unarmed. Double K”O, and he got up first. Crediting him as the winner.
Originally posted by id369
Oh with out a doubt, Surfer flies at speeds faster then light. Undoubted true. Does he fight, at speeds faster then light? More often the not, he does not. No I take that back, For ever single instance you show a scan of Surfer fighting of him fighting, actual fluid movements at light speed. I can post 10 scans stating otherwise. Its not a race, and where not here to see who sets the biggest bench mark.You see its not what the forum comes to understand. Its what the broad mass, who cant think for themselves simply accept.
Originally posted by id369
Absolutely nothing wrong. Its just funny, how some will dismiss character comparisons, for a track record. And yet I am still not convinced. Bill hammered a planet into its destruction (track record). Bill submitted Thor in unarmed combat (character comparison). Clearly, one character has the beneficence to claim strength advantage over the other because of the fact. And that is Beta Ray Bill.
Originally posted by id369
Has Bill has bin put down by less then planet busters? Absolutely, but you know what. His showing are more consistent then the Surfers. I have the luxury of flaunting, how his low showing are not as embarrassing as, being unable to keep up with Mole Man, K”Oed by the Thing, Arm Locked by Black Panther etc…That’s the difference.
Originally posted by id369
Of course Stardust is below Surfer. But the fact, that we see a character over power a herald is much better, then say. On panel we see the actual toggle war of energy being spitted out. A member can claim, his energy output is slightly superior then the average herald because of it, Then say Current Surfer = Thanos, because he needed to match Thanos Energy signature, to release Galactus from his restrains.
Originally posted by id369
Surfer has enough trouble with Thor. What’s the win lose ration between the two again?It would be no different, with Beta Ray Bill. Considering the fact, they are near equal and Bill happens to be more battle oriented. If I didn’t think its was a close match, I would not bother posting it.
I think it's a close match too, it's just that Surfer's going to win 7-8/10. They'll all be hard fought victories though.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong. See if the rules of the debate state that the fight happens under a certain format then that's what happens for the purposes of the debate. Characters USE their abilities on KMC, if you have a problem with that then you have a problem with KMC's debates and should probably head to herochat. Refusing to accept that you're wrong under the rules doesn't change the fact and expecting everyone else to change the setup of the forum so that it conforms to your preferred style of debating is more than a little unreasonable. Trying to get the official policy instituted is one thing(there's even a thread for that), but refusing to acknowledge it in favor of your own... come on id, I gave you more credit than this. You're one of the smart debaters on KMC.
This isn’t a race to the end of the Universe. Surfer may have flown past the speed of light in a few instances. But to claim he has fought, physically move around, action to reflex at those speeds. Never, not once, and not even close.
Originally posted by darthgooberNo one has said that Surfer's stronger or even necessarily equal, only that he's on a comparable level.
If he is not stronger, or near equal, how is he comparable? Lets cut the bullshit, he isn’t. Surfer is the inferior when it comes to brute strength.
Originally posted by darthgooberAnd he's got ridiculously high end feats that more than balance those instances out. If we went by high end only, he'd be in the trans tier. We average everything out, and he's just top dog in the high herald division.
Originally posted by darthgooberI have no problem saying that BRB's output is higher than the average herald. Hell I have no problem saying that it's higher than MOST heralds if his hammer is actually the equal of Thor's, but that doesn't change the fact that the opposite is true in the case of Surfer.
Good, at least we come to the agreement that their energy output rival one another.
Originally posted by darthgoober50/50. He won the first one, and lost the second against the same guy that was about to kill BRB if I remember correctly.
I think it's a close match too, it's just that Surfer's going to win 7-8/10. They'll all be hard fought victories though.
Thor was about to Kill Beta Ray Bill?
Me I am split, 50-50. there are to many factors. With only maybe 2 clear advantages worth mentioning. Speed goes for Surfer, Strength to BRB. But Energy Output, Energy manipulation, durability, battle initiative, will to fight, battle smarts etc…. Its difficult to edge out a clear winner in these respective fields, on this playing field.
Originally posted by id369
Oh beautiful you mention force fields (which Bill Can do), and Energy Manipulation (which Bill can use as well). These are run of the mill abilities that both characters can make use off.
Show me BRB using his forcefields/vortexes in a battle scenario as efficiently as surfer does. Further surfers matter and energy manipulation is far superior to bills and has a far wider range. (he actually plaayed a part in the reconstruction nd renergizing of bill). He has shown to use it far more efficiently in battle as well. So simply equating them and saying "both have energymanip" is completely innacurate and a poor debating tactic.
Watch your idiotic remarks, if you cant keep your composure why bother posting? Stardust and Bill where actually zipping through space. And really the statement still stands. Until Bill is left embarrassed due to speed, he will not have much of problem fighting Surfer. Unless Surfer wants to run, yeah then his quantillion times luminal speed will come in handy.
lulz. Calling out nonsensical arguments and statements does not mean ive lost my composure. If u arent going to actually address the points made and are just going to make blanket statements why bother posting?. Bill and stardust never engaged each other at superspeeds or made use of superspeed within close distances. They were simply flying from one point to another. Ur statement is a nonsensical attempt to ignore an argument which u have no means of refuting. It has no weight. I have shown numerous examples of surfer using his speed while actually engaging his opponents. If u choose to ignore that and still claim that said speed which he has used in direct combat is only good for running away then im sorry but u are a moron. It has nothing to do with my composure but is rather a factual statement about ur recalcitrance in regards to clear on panel evidence.
Now I would think, with you being a Surfer fan and all. That you would understand, the Beam is not meant to destroy the planet. That beam converts matter into energy for him to feast on. You know that same beam that dissipated Stardust, and killed Red Shift? The Same Red Shift, Surfer had trouble taking out in the black hole you speak of.
And i would thin that from posting the scan u would be able to put in proper context. Please prove to me that the blast galactus used was anything more than a normal blast. He had been using the exact same type of blast while battling the Korbinite ships a few pages earlier. Seen below:
where was it mentioned in the scan u showed that Galactus blast was meant to cauterize the planet? Especially since he was using the same type of blast previously? further the scan u showed describes the process that Galactus tech makes use of. In the Beta ray bill scenario he hadnt even set up his tech and was just fighting ships. So please show me how the two blasts are the same.
Oh look at Lunatik, his strength is comparable to Hercules, who we compare Surfer to make a point. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Lunatik K”O. the Surfer with his own board? I don’t remember to well, please clarify this for me. ABC logic can only take you so far. BRB destroyed a planet with one hit, BRB fought Thor and won, BRB cracked Galactus body armor. Beta Ray Bill is in a different class of strength then Surfer.
Lunatik got the better of surfer when surfer wasnt fighting to the fullest. When he got serious he physically dominated him. ABC logic is saying Character A defeated character B and so must beat character C. It fails because All three characters, A B and C may have different powersets which give them advantages over diffrent opponents or may have been fighting within different context and circumstances. Surfer physically dominating a being who is comparable to Hercules in strength and physically matching an angry Hulk and his Warbound simultaneously easily puts him in the same Top tier strength class as thor,beta ray bill,Hecrules,Hulk etc. this is indisputable really. Its not ABC logic because im not using the instance to determine surfers performance in a particular scenario but rather am using it to determine the level of one of his attributes.
BRB fought thor and won-Surfer has shown to be in the same strength class as such beings,
BRB ddestroyed a planet with one hit using energy and stormbreaker- Nice but not indicative of pure physical strength nd prowess
BRB-Cracked galactus body armour, Not indicative of much since damaging galactus physical body armour causes no harm to his person and has been accomplished by beings relatively low on the strength list.
Originally posted by id369
Oh thank you for clarifying the rules. It really open up my perspective, so now I will bring it back into perspective.This isn’t a race to the end of the Universe. Surfer may have flown past the speed of light in a few instances. But to claim he has fought, physically move around, action to reflex at those speeds. Never, not once, and not even close.
Moving at superspeed(off his board)...
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7940/story2page01combatwa4.jpg
Multiple images of him attacking can be seen here…
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
Surfer thinking, moving, and then attacking in less than a second can be found here…
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6231/silversurfer198902312rp5.jpg
Surfer dodging at light speed can be found here…
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg
Surfer blitzing an opponent with actual super speed can be found as he grabs Nova by the throat and throws him with such speed that Nova thinks he got hit with an energy blast here…
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nova13dcp029kv7.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0010ct3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpg
Moving into specific details…
Here’s Surfer moving his hand at super speed as he blocks an energy blast…
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1663/silversurferannual0124na7.jpg
…and here…
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg
Here’s Surfer moving his torso at super speed as he ducks under an energy blast here…
[img=http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4663/silversurferv306409lh9.th.jpg]
…and here…
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg
Surfer moving his whole body at super speed as he does a one armed handstand on his board to avoid an energy blast here…
[img=http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3839/silversurferannual0624bd0.th.jpg]
…and then goes on to dodge the energy blast fired on the last panel of the previous scan while still of his board here…
[img=http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1094/silversurferannual0625jw0.th.jpg]
And here we see actually Surfer interrupting a speed blitz from an opponent(that only got started because of the cheap shot in the first panel)…
[img=http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/952/silversurferv308022fs5.th.jpg]
And aside from all of that of course, here's Surfer's actually fighting at superspeed...
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/silversurfer07p40.jpg
Originally posted by id369
If he is not stronger, or near equal, how is he comparable? Lets cut the bullshit, he isn’t. Surfer is the inferior when it comes to brute strength.
Originally posted by id369
Here is the problem, claims are not being averaged at least not at first. His best feats is and where being deliberated until I called them out.
Originally posted by id369
Good, at least we come to the agreement that their energy output rival one another.
Originally posted by id369
Thor was about to Kill Beta Ray Bill?
Yeah...
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Originally posted by id369
Me I am split, 50-50. there are to many factors. With only maybe 2 clear advantages worth mentioning. Speed goes for Surfer, Strength to BRB. But Energy Output, Energy manipulation, durability, battle initiative, will to fight, battle smarts etc…. Its difficult to edge out a clear winner in these respective fields, on this playing field.
Surfer has the edge in feats in all those categories you think are questionable, that's why I say he'll take 7-8/10.
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