Originally posted by id369
My best wishes, I hope you do better in law school, then you do at debating comic book characters.
lol, and u were the one talking of ad hominem? When u feel like addressing the points made and are tired of these pitiful attempts to dodge and take focus of the argument at hand. Let me know. Otherwise get ur idocy the hell outta here.
Originally posted by Naija boy
lol, and u were the one talking of ad hominem? When u feel like addressing the points made and are tired of these pitiful attempts to dodge and take focus of the argument at hand. Let me know. Otherwise get ur idocy the hell outta here.
Tsk, tsk. Language. Google is your friend. But if you have trouble, with any of the terms I mention. I can define them for you.
Originally posted by id369
Lunatik physical might is in question, getting handled by the current Draxs tends to be heavy burden in his resume.
Nonsense.The lunatic being referenced is a classic version of Lunatik who at that point was comparable to the likes of hercules in strength. So his recent encounter with drax is irrelevant. Further iirc current lunatic was weaend after having just escaped the kyln when he was taken out by drax. Though itss irrelevant anyways.
when he overpowers Thor, Phsyscally Smashes a planet, and or
More imaginary occurences. He never overpowered thor. It was a double ko with both of them being knocked unconscious. BRB just happened to wake up first. Thats not overpowering at all. He also didnt physically smash a planet as has already been explained but which u have chosen to ignore.
Originally posted by id369
Tsk, tsk. Language. Google is your friend. But if you have trouble, with any of the terms I mention. I can define them for you.
Arent u going to adress my post? Or do u think that ur retarded blather about google is going to cover up for ur debating ineptitude? lol. Good luck with that.
Originally posted by id369
What you still have not realized, is Surfer lacks a history of swimming with out getting wet (cookie to the person, who can figure out where I got the phrase from). His showings with ongoing fights, does not necessarily warrants he will continuously dodge, and land hits.Yet out of the two, Bill hits harder. And out of the two, Bill is more combat initiative. If you want to make him look, like Tommy Hearn’s of Marvel Cosmic arena. Beta Ray Bill would be Marvin Haggler.
Proof that Bill's hits have a higher potential for damage than Surfer's blasts? Unless I'm mistaken Bill's biggest feat was destroying a planet correct? Well Surfer's done the same thing with a blast, and has also done things like create a blackhole as a side effect of his energy discharge.
Originally posted by id369
Lunatik physical might is in question, getting handled by the current Draxs tends to be heavy burden in his resume.
Originally posted by id369
Hulk has already given Surfer a run for his money in a physical confrontation. I mean he was an his behind, while Hulk was pounding away in a force field.
Surfer wasn't trying to go h2h with Hulk in that fight.
Originally posted by id369
Yet as of recent, Bill along with Thor basically leg pressed Asgard.
Originally posted by id369
Beta Ray Bill has not really disappointed in any of his showings. However Surfer showings worth mentioning have already bin stated, they don’t give impression of being higher then Bills. I don’t understand how you come to the conclusion that his average are higher, at least not in open combat.Do I really have to mention Surfers low showings? Or should I simply glorify more Bill’s better feats?
Or if you want to do something that actually falls in line with forum rules we can actually compare similar feats between the two to see who could pull off more of the other guys top stuff.
Originally posted by id369
How about you simply answer, whey Thor was capable of taking down Surfer and Adam Warlock?
Originally posted by id369
If I wanted to use laws of equivalent exchange, I would have so. I rather not, this is why I do go about claiming Thors feats for Bill.ABC logic does not warrant, the claim of being on the same league. When he overpowers Thor, Phsyscally Smashes a planet, and or has some sort of strength feat like leg pressing Asgard. Then I would consider him, in his class.
Originally posted by id369
Concession accepted I am glad, you coming around that it would be difficult to gauge energy output. Thank you for highlighting my comment.
But thank YOU for the concession in regards to their durability.
Originally posted by id369
Surfer is not a killer, Beta Ray Bill will not hesitate to kill.
Originally posted by id369
Come one, he was Loki amped at the time.
Originally posted by id369
And Bill was granted another chance, for defeating Omega Ray, and attempting to salvage the life of his people. If not for his will to carry on, he would not bin granted the Stormbreaker or be considered as a Brother to Thor.Oath!
Originally posted by id369
How peculiar, well over 4 gigs worth of material read and saved in my hard drive. I think I know what I am talking about.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Arent u going to adress my post? Or do u think that ur retarded blather about google is going to cover up for ur debating ineptitude? lol. Good luck with that.
I enjoy debating One Dumb Go or darthgoober. At times, they make me reconsider my position. You have yet, to give me a reason to continue my argument. Its becoming a nuisance.
Scan or issue of the superskrull incident? as i cant seem to remember and i have evry Beta Ray appearance. Further that hardly consitutes him using forcefields in battle as efficiently as surfer has. Please stop with ur referencing of some imaginary incident with Galactus that occured only in ur head. Surfer has shown that he can actually manipulate Beta ray bills structure and so his matter manip will be a useful method of attack. Ive made no empty statements. Ur the one using imaginary scenarios and faulty scan interpretations.lol
You actually think Surfer can matter manipulate Beta Ray Bill?
Composure? Ad Hominem? Please get serious. Im not the one ignoring the points being made here. You are. I addressed and refuted evry single one of ur points while u decided to make ignorant blanket statements while ignoring the on panel evidence presented. Please post the scan of what stardust and bill "rush" that stardust and bill while fighting asteroth that was in the same vein of any the surfer speed scans showed. I have the comic and there was no such thing.Further just so u now, NO ONE here not me nor goober talked of surfer fighting BRB at light speed. Heck i didnt even advocate speedblitzing. So this whole "transluminal speed argument" is once again going on in ur head. Maybe if u had decided to read some of the points made and not willfully ignore them u would have seen this.
He didnt shoot down the planet. Which goes back to the original point of the blast not being strong enough to destroy the planet. the anomaly being focused on the remains of the planet doesnt support ur case in the slightest. Almost evry freaking time Galactus appears he is focusing on consuming one planet or the other. It doesnt mean that we suddenly assume that the blasts galactus uses when fighting the defenders of said planets must be the same blast that his tech uses to prepare for the absorption process. That is fallacious reasoning at its peak. Galactus was using the exact same type of blasts he used on BRB to on the ships he was fighting in the scan i showed. You have absolutely nothing showing that the blast was the same as the blast his tech uses. That assumption is so baseless its not even funny
Galactus came to consume that planet. This was acknowledged page 2 of the first book. Galactus is not going to destroy a planet, when he can easily submit his foe with a hand clap. He is not going to destroy the vary thing that nourishes him. You also have to keep in mind, that his machinery only simply the processes, making it conversion more efficient. But he does not really need it.
Classic Lunatiks strength was not in question. He is clearly a high level class 100 character able to even best the likes of hercules physically. On planet hulk surfer matched an angry hulk together with the war bound. There is nothing questionable there. In the other hul fight u are referencing surfer didnt want to fight hulk and held back immensely. He was trying to help hulk the whole time. In another of their physical confrontations, surfer has stopped an angry hulks doublefisted blow dead in its tracks which caused even hulk to acknowledge surfers strength. There's nothing wrong with my measuring stick. Nothing at all.
Surfer has respectable strength for taking down Hulk, and Lunatik. Yet not in the same class since, Bill has better showings, and is highly regarded for his brute strength.
Please, i certainly know more about BRB than u do. Using stormbreaker while surrounded by energy to destroy a planet is not a feat that was performed with only BRBs strength. This is very simple to comprehend. Bill doesnt have to deliberately shoot rays to do anything. The energy was still there. Cracking galactus armour is worth mentioning yes, but does not justify bill being put into an entirely diffrent strength class from surfer. Not at all. Case closed.
We're not talking about his fights in the comics where he doesn't use his powers to the fullest, we're talking about a forum fight were he's going to use his speed. Bill mgiht be able to land a few shots(I never said otherwise), but Surfer's superior speed means that he won't be landing anywhere near as many.Proof that Bill's hits have a higher potential for damage than Surfer's blasts? Unless I'm mistaken Bill's biggest feat was destroying a planet correct? Well Surfer's done the same thing with a blast, and has also done things like create a blackhole as a side effect of his energy discharge.
The problem is, the setting still takes place in character.
While, the Surfer has become a more aggressive. He still vouches to bull rush his opponents. I give you this, if he can maintain his distance applying his energy and making use of his speed. He would eventually wear down Bill and gain the victory. But if Bull Rushes Bill like he does with Ravenous or Nova, he is going to catch a righteous beating.
Do you have some low showings of current Drax's strength to base that off of? If not, it's just a good feat for Drax that shows what he can do to someone who's on par with Herc physically.
Surfer wasn't trying to go h2h with Hulk in that fight.
Joint feat with someone who was empowered by the Odin Force. Surfer's got the joint feat of giving Bill back his powers, how much stock do you put into that for this particular fight?
Sure go for it. You go ahead and list all of Surfer's low feats, and I'll counter with his high end feats and we'll see who can come up with more examples. I won't even report you for trying to bring up low end showings and I'll either address the circumstances behind it(if it's a BS circumstantial thing) or actually counter it with at least one high end that counters it.Or if you want to do something that actually falls in line with forum rules we can actually compare similar feats between the two to see who could pull off more of the other guys top stuff.
I am not afraid of being reported, go ahead I encourage you. And I don’t mind doing either. Just be specific, which challenge you wish to partake in, and we will go from their.
Warrior Madness.
He overpowered Lunatik who's a high cl100+, what's so hard to get about that?
I still regard, Bill above Surfer for beating a class 100 character and a few strength feats to back up.
No concession. BRB doesn't have anywhere near Surfer's feats of power output. That's why I say BRB's in Surfer's league, but Surfer's superior. I never said that Surfer completely blew him out of the water.But thank YOU for the concession in regards to their durability.
My, my aren’t we both some mistaken though. But no, durability wise its hard to gauge who is superior considering both can take as much as they dish.
You're thinking of the "Old Surfer" who was a pacifist. The new Surfer kills millions just by sending out the call for Galactus. And even the Old Surfer has more than a few instancea that have him ready to take a life.
He was not given much of an option, I mean bearing a herald of his rage and all. But how many did he kill under his own judgment, from his own free will?
Is your point that Loki made him smarter? .
I have seen his mallets magic! It is truly mightier than my cosmic force. Then why should it stay out of reach? unless…. - Surfer
Impressive, luckily enough for me I'm not basing anything off Surfer's "will" so none of that even means anything. Your the one saying that Bill's greater will is going to make a difference in this fight, your example in no way supports that.
Funny that you have all that data and still tried to act like Surfer never uses his speed in combat...
Originally posted by id369
I enjoy debating One Dumb Go or darthgoober. At times, they make me reconsider my position. You have yet, to give me a reason to continue my argument. Its becoming a nuisance. .
lmfao.Am i supposed to care, who u enjoy debating with? It matters little as using these type of tactics u can only succeed in making a fool of urself.
Most of my points are exactly the same as both goobers and ODGs but hey, u havent been reading any of them and have chosen to ignore all of the points made in this thread. kudos to u.lol
You actually think Surfer can matter manipulate Beta Ray Bill?http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7366/secretinvasionthor02zmr.th.jpg
Where the hell does he throw up a forcefield to protect the Asgardians He throws up one to protect himself and nothing else. More deliberate misrepresentation of feats. Further using a forcefield to protect himself in that manner is not at all show him using forcefields as efficiently as surfer has been able to (surfer actually uses them offensively as well).
And surfer HAS already shown the abllity to manipulate Beta ray bills structure and energies. What about that cant u get? Now can he use that solely to get an autowin? Of course not. but its still another option of attack available to him and it broadens his offensive weapons. Thats why versatility is relevant, because it provides the person with a wider range of attacks to use. Duh!
Imageshack is not working for me. Storm breaker #4, Stardust and Bill rushed Asteorth.
The bullrush betaray bill performed in Stormbreaker 4 is absolutely nothing like the intricate and complex displays of reflexes and combat speed which i as well as Goober have shown in regards to surfer. Not even close. First u make nonsensical claims about surfers speed and about him lacking displays of "fluid movement speed" and when its is irrevocably proves that he in fact does have that fluid movement speed, u try to use the exact opposite of what u requested for to ccount for BRBs speed. What laughable doublestandard.
Galactus came to consume that planet. This was acknowledged page 2 of the first book. Galactus is not going to destroy a planet, when he can easily submit his foe with a hand clap. He is not going to destroy the vary thing that nourishes him. You also have to keep in mind, that his machinery only simply the processes, making it conversion more efficient. But he does not really need it.
did u not read anything i wrote at all? Try and follow this time. Galactus coming to consume the planet is obvious and irrelevant. Almost evry time galaactus is seen in comics it is because he was wanted to consume one planet or another. Further try at least partially comprehending posts before replying. The whole point of the matter is that Galactus wasnt trying to destroy the planet. The blast he used failed to do so and was not powerful enough. Further We see Galactus using those VERY SAME blasts while fighting the korbinite ships WITHOUT any "matter to energy conversion" nonsense. That therefore completely insubstantiates ur argument.
It is nothing more than baseless reaching to think that the blasts that Galactus uses while fighting in that scenario were the same as his techs matter to eenrgy conversion blasts when not only was it not mentioned but the effects of the blast wasnt shown or indicated as being the same. I have all Galactus appearances and know that he doesnt need his tech to do it. However that is entirely irrelevant here
Surfer has respectable strength for taking down Hulk, and Lunatik. Yet not in the same class since, Bill has better showings, and is highly regarded for his brute strength.
How can u take urself seriously and then claim that a person that can match an angry Hulk physically and the Warbound(which includes at least 1 other class 100) and overwhelm Lunatik physically(Hercules strength level), is not in BRBs strength class? Thats just ridiculous. Bill has better showings yes but certainly not by much. And certainly NOT enough to put him in an entirely different strength class.
What ever, it makes no real difference. If the energy served to augment his physical strength. Its still Bill showings, and his to claim
At least uve conceded that inane line of reasoning. No one is claiming that its not a BRB showing. What is being claimed is that its not a showing valid in determing PURELY HIS PHYSICAL STRENGTH, and hence does not support ur argument that he is in a different strength class from surfer.
Originally posted by id369Well he didn’t give him his powers back per say. First he granted his hammer, then he got his hammer for him. And while the feat was done in conjunction with one another, they where pretty worn out.
This is yet another misrepresentation of feats. They were never said to be pretty worn out when they performed this feat. Thats simply lie.
Where the hell does he throw up a forcefield to protect the Asgardians He throws up one to protect himself and nothing else. More deliberate misrepresentation of feats. Further using a forcefield to protect himself in that manner is not at all show him using forcefields as efficiently as surfer has been able to (surfer actually uses them offensively as well).
And surfer HAS already shown the abllity to manipulate Beta ray bills structure and energies. What about that cant u get? Now can he use that solely to get an autowin? Of course not. but its still another option of attack available to him and it broadens his offensive weapons. Thats why versatility is relevant, because it provides the person with a wider range of attacks to use. Duh!
Well the scan said, get behind my hammer, and put up a force field. Do you actually think, Surfer can apply his matter manipulation on Bill?
The bullrush betaray bill performed in Stormbreaker 4 is absolutely nothing like the intricate and complex displays of reflexes and combat speed which i as well as Goober have shown in regards to surfer. Not even close. First u make nonsensical claims about surfers speed and about him lacking displays of "fluid movement speed" and when its is irrevocably proves that he in fact does have that fluid movement speed, u try to use the exact opposite of what u requested for to ccount for BRBs speed. What laughable doublestandard
I posted, exactly what I claimed. Stardust and Bill rushing towards Asteorth.
did u not read anything i wrote at all? Try and follow this time. Galactus coming to consume the planet is obvious and irrelevant. Almost evry time galaactus is seen in comics it is because he was wanted to consume one planet or another. Further try at least partially comprehending posts before replying. The whole point of the matter is that Galactus wasnt trying to destroy the planet. The blast he used failed to do so and was not powerful enough. Further We see Galactus using those VERY SAME blasts while fighting the korbinite ships WITHOUT any "matter to energy conversion" nonsense. That therefore completely insubstantiates ur argument.It is nothing more than baseless reaching to think that the blasts that Galactus uses while fighting in that scenario were the same as his techs matter to eenrgy conversion blasts when not only was it not mentioned but the effects of the blast wasnt shown or indicated as being the same. I have all Galactus appearances and know that he doesnt need his tech to do it. However that is entirely irrelevant here
The planet he fired upon is the vary planet, he came to consume. That’s why he focused his interest in the remains of the planet.
How can u take urself seriously and then claim that a person that can match an angry Hulk physically and the Warbound(which includes at least 1 other class 100) and overwhelm Lunatik physically(Hercules strength level), is not in BRBs strength class? Thats just ridiculous. Bill has better showings yes but certainly not by much. And certainly NOT enough to put him in an entirely different strength class.
Because he has direct showings, and instances to warrant his superiority in this specific class.
At least uve conceded that inane line of reasoning. No one is claiming that its not a BRB showing. What is being claimed is that its not a showing valid in determing PURELY HIS PHYSICAL STRENGTH, and hence does not support ur argument that he is in a different strength class from surfer
Originally posted by id369
The problem is, the setting still takes place in character.While, the Surfer has become a more aggressive. He still vouches to bull rush his opponents. I give you this, if he can maintain his distance applying his energy and making use of his speed. He would eventually wear down Bill and gain the victory. But if Bull Rushes Bill like he does with Ravenous or Nova, he is going to catch a righteous beating.
And given the speeds at which Surfer's bullrushed, I have a hard time picturing Bill reacting to one if Surfer got serious about it.
Originally posted by id369
Maybe I am underestimating Drax, he did rip Thanos Heart out.
Originally posted by id369
He didn’t? He should’ve I mean being in the same class of strength and all.
Originally posted by id369
Well he didn’t give him his powers back per say. First he granted his hammer, then he got his hammer for him. And while the feat was done in conjunction with one another, they where pretty worn out.
Originally posted by id369
I am not afraid of being reported, go ahead I encourage you. And I don’t mind doing either. Just be specific, which challenge you wish to partake in, and we will go from their.
Originally posted by id369
Then that’s the reason, why bill was rightfully taken down.
Originally posted by id369
Surfer has enough trouble with Thor. What’s the win lose ration between the two again?It would be no different, with Beta Ray Bill. Considering the fact, they are near equal and Bill happens to be more battle oriented. If I didn’t think its was a close match, I would not bother posting it.
...so I said...
Originally posted by darthgoober
50/50. He won the first one, and lost the second against the same guy that was about to kill BRB if I remember correctly.I think it's a close match too, it's just that Surfer's going to win 7-8/10. They'll all be hard fought victories though.
I was never trying to say that it was a bad showing for Bill, my point was that the fight Surfer lost happened after Thor nearly killed BRB and therefor was no indication Thor's win over Surfer translating into a victory for BRB.
Originally posted by id369
I still regard, Bill above Surfer for beating a class 100 character and a few strength feats to back up.
Originally posted by id369
My, my aren’t we both some mistaken though. But no, durability wise its hard to gauge who is superior considering both can take as much as they dish.
What was I mistaken about? All I said was that Surfer had better feats so I give him the edge in energy output. It's the same reason I give Bill the edge in strength.
And in terms of durability, Surfer's been unphased by things like Supernova's and black holes while Bill has had issues with them. That gives us a DIRECT comparison of durability. Not to say that Surfer's leaps and bounds because those too are high end feats and he's got lower feats that bring down his average, but Bill's similar feats are also high end so the comparisons give us an inkling as to who's looks better on their good days.
Originally posted by id369
He was not given much of an option, I mean bearing a herald of his rage and all. But how many did he kill under his own judgment, from his own free will?
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Originally posted by id369
He attempted to do so and failed at first. But he succeeded the second time, which we later find out why.I have seen his mallets magic! It is truly mightier than my cosmic force. Then why should it stay out of reach? unless…. - Surfer
And you missed the actual point of the example...
Originally posted by darthgoober
By smashing away with his hammer. Surfer finds a SMART way to win, like the time he separated Thor from his hammer. Hey wait a minute...
My point was more about Surfer being a smarter fighter than Surfer's ability to keep Bill from his hammer. But for the record, I really don't see how Bill could get a hold of his hammer if Surfer stuck it in an adamantium box and then started blasting away before Bill summoned it back.
Originally posted by id369
The will to fight, is one of those aspects which I believe is hard to gauge and are relatively equal.
Originally posted by id369
I said, I have never seen him use transluminal speed in combat. As in fluid movements, portrayed at light speed or greater. Never denied he used super speed, but those instances are hard to quantify just how fast he was going.
Just to add to the Planet Hulk strength feat, this was a very weakened Surfer who didn't have access to his Power Cosmic (w/c allows him to amp his strength), he was facing Hulk along with another Class 100 (the rock guy). He had no access to his board or his Power Cosmic (meaning no force field, no energy blast and no flying either) but he was easily physically standing toe-to-toe against Hulk and the whole Warbound. The Hulk along with the Warbound had to disable the obedience disk to be able to beat the Surfer here.
Also, am I reading my copy of Annihilation wrong? Obviously the Surfer managed to get something of a power and personality boost here. The guy he dominated (I'm out of town on my laptop so I have 0 access to my comics now, and I'm bad with names) stated and demonstrated that they were equal at first and was completely shocked at how easily he was owned on their second encounter.
You seem to be missing the point. You said..
...so I said...I was never trying to say that it was a bad showing for Bill, my point was that the fight Surfer lost happened after Thor nearly killed BRB and therefor was no indication Thor's win over Surfer translating into a victory for BRB.
Yes I stated, its bad enough Thor under his own power, gives Surfer a hard time. Bill is not to far from Classic Thor, since his portrayal are consistently high. However worrier madness Thor is a bigger dog, that neither can handle.
That's fine, I don't fault you for that opinion. Again, I never said that Surfer exceeded or equaled Bill's strength, just that he was somewhere on Bill's level.
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What was I mistaken about? All I said was that Surfer had better feats so I give him the edge in energy output. It's the same reason I give Bill the edge in strength.And in terms of durability, Surfer's been unphased by things like Supernova's and black holes while Bill has had issues with them. That gives us a DIRECT comparison of durability. Not to say that Surfer's leaps and bounds because those too are high end feats and he's got lower feats that bring down his average, but Bill's similar feats are also high end so the comparisons give us an inkling as to who's looks better on their good days.
Durability wise, he was at the heart of an exploding sun. But we do not have a good idea for how long, and if it was risking his life. Since he was basically K”Oed by Galactus actions, and once he was up he simply flew out of it.
And its back to back damage soak, he took a planet buster from Galactus, then a Hand Clap from Galactus, gets caught up in an exploding sun, gets pilled drive into the core of the planet right before it explodes. And yet he still survives, the entire ordeal. Its not a single instance but a string of instances following up one after another.
That is why I have such high regard towards Bill durability.
He's not just heralding his rage, he's finding everyday meals for him that consist of inhabited life. He warns them that G's coming, but if they can't escape he just takes a "Well, sucks to be you..." attitude. Not that he's a cold blooded killer mind you so don't think I'm saying he'll be going for the kill right out of the gate, I'm just saying that if Surfer's not afraid to kill if Bill pushes him too far. But if you want an example of old school Surfer playing judge jury and executioner, how about preventing an opponent from ever being born...http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/20...98000635aa2.jpg
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Battle initiative and combat aggression are hard to gauge as well. That is why, I had them in the undecided section. Problem is, Beta Ray Bill personality has not changed over the course years. Its bin intact for the most part. You start to question, who really has it more to gather out of the two.
Surfer was originally weakened both from his confinement on Earth and Reed Richards sonic shark. They've rectoned the weakened state from his confinement out of continuity but those low showings from the period in which he was originally written as being weakened should be taken with a grain of salt.And you missed the actual point of the example...
My point was more about Surfer being a smarter fighter than Surfer's ability to keep Bill from his hammer. But for the record, I really don't see how Bill could get a hold of his hammer if Surfer stuck it in an adamantium box and then started blasting away before Bill summoned it back.
Well the mallets have bin known to traverse across space and time. Or at least Thor mallet has, I would think Bills would as well.
He specifically talked about going lightspeed when he dodged Deathurge AND when he was attacking Stranger's fortress(which I haven't posted, but I think Naija did a page or two ago).
Fluid movements to me would be, something like this.
Coeus intercepting (a billions streams of light per second, at the speed of light), from Leo. And returning it back to Leo with on arm!
Its in Japanese, but the character perceives ever action, and react speeds faster then light at all times.
Originally posted by id369
Well the scan said, get behind my hammer, and put up a force field. Do you actually think, Surfer can apply his matter manipulation on Bill?
He said "behind me brothers". He put up a shield around himself (he was the one getting attacked) nd then old his brothers to get behind him. That didnt answer my challenge in which i requested u provide an example of BRB using forcefields as efficicienty as surfer since u so foolishly equated the two's proficiency. Heck he didnt even use it offensively in that instance.
And,lol now im sure ur blind. U see me mentioning numerous times that surferhas used his matter and energy manip on Bill before( at a very advanced level using it on his physical structure and internal energies ) and you keep asking whether he can apply his matter manip to BRB. lmao.
Simply retarded
I posted, exactly what I claimed. Stardust and Bill rushing towards Asteorth.
You tried to use the exact opposite of what u required for surfer in order to justify BRBs speed. Thats is an obvious double standard.
The planet he fired upon is the vary planet, he came to consume. That’s why he focused his interest in the remains of the planet.
lolwut? How does that information change anything?lol. Also he fired upon Beta Ray bill and the planet happened to be in that line of fire. His blast wasnt strong enough to destroy the planet. End of story. Nothing on panel supports ur baseless reaching about its nature. Nothing at all. It is rather contradicted by whats on panel. Keep on advocating it. It only shows lack of debating skills and recalcitrance.
Because he has direct showings, and instances to warrant his superiority in this specific class.
What showings does BRB have that put him in a diffrent strength class from a being thats around hercules and an angry hulks strength level? are u reading ur responses at all?. 😱
Actually I don’t want to bother with you any more, your to much of a joke for me to really care. He psychically swung his hammer, the planet went boom. it’s a physical showings, to think otherwise, is to be stuck on retard.
Lol. With evry post u dig a further hole for urself. The iidiocy just keeps increasing. U just admitted thaat there was more to it than just the physical aspect and now u decide to leave out that context in the very next post? Please stop embarrasing urself. He swung his hammer coupled with energy and the planet exploded. Any sane person can realize that unless the energy was there for aesthetic purposes that it was played a part in the feat. If u cant, well............. ....im sure even u can put two and two together(or can u?).Foolishness ftl.lol
He said "behind me brothers". He put up a shield around himself (he was the one getting attacked) nd then old his brothers to get behind him. That didnt answer my challenge in which i requested u provide an example of BRB using forcefields as efficicienty as surfer since u so foolishly equated the two's proficiency. Heck he didnt even use it offensively in that instance.And,lol now im sure ur blind. U see me mentioning numerous times that surferhas used his matter and energy manip on Bill before( at a very advanced level using it on his physical structure and internal energies ) and you keep asking whether he can apply his matter manip to BRB. lmao.
Simply retarded
What kind of Force Field are you looking for? And stop avoiding my question, do you think Surfer can apply his matter manipulation in battle?
You tried to use the exact opposite of what u required for surfer in order to justify BRBs speed. Thats is an obvious double standard.
lolwut? How does that information change anything?lol. Also he fired upon Beta Ray bill and the planet happened to be in that line of fire. His blast wasnt strong enough to destroy the planet. End of story. Nothing on panel supports ur baseless reaching about its nature. Nothing at all. It is rather contradicted by whats on panel. Keep on advocating it. It only shows lack of debating skills and recalcitrance.
You mean to tell me you did not know, that was the Korbonite new found planet they attempting to defend? Well now you know. Galactus came to feast on that specific planet, that’s why the energy beam did not destroy it. That’s why the Korbinites, state all is lost and retreat when the planet was hit, and Galactus started to focus on the planet and not on Korbinites retrieval.
What showings does BRB have that put him in a diffrent strength class from a being thats around hercules and an angry hulks strength level? are u reading ur responses at all?.
Lol. With evry post u dig a further hole for urself. The iidiocy just keeps increasing. U just admitted thaat there was more to it than just the physical aspect and now u decide to leave out that context in the very next post? Please stop embarrasing urself. He swung his hammer coupled with energy and the planet exploded. Any sane person can realize that unless the energy was there for aesthetic purposes that it was played a part in the feat. If u cant, well............. ....im sure even u can put two and two together(or can u?).Foolishness ftl.lol
I guess, you have not figured it out yet. But for the sakes, of shutting your trap, I admitted what ever nonsense you spewed.
I take it back, the destruction of that planet was caused by Bill physical actions. The so called surrounding energy played no real part in its destruction.
Originally posted by id369
What kind of Force Field are you looking for? And stop avoiding my question, do you think Surfer can apply his matter manipulation in battle?
A offensive forcefield ala the type surfer used to trap thors hammer in their first encounter. Thats an example of efficient use of forcefields that could be useful against BRB.
And for all that is holy if u keep asking me that inane question of whether i think surfer can use his matter manip in battle against BRB, then walk to the nearest mental institution and lock urself up. Either that or go and take elementary english classes to improve ur kindergarten level comprehension skills. I have answered that question MULTIPLE times. Heck would i claim that he could if i believed the he couldnt? facepalm. Here are the numerous times ive replied ur question.
-Me claiming that matter manip will be a useful method of attack
Surfer has shown that he can actually manipulate Beta ray bills structure and so his matter manip will be a useful method of attack
-Me replying u again and once again mentioning how it is a good and viable method of attack
And surfer HAS already shown the abllity to manipulate Beta ray bills structure and energies. What about that cant u get? Now can he use that solely to get an autowin? Of course not. but its still another option of attack available to him and it broadens his offensive weapons
And here i reply u ONCE AGAIN. Clearly indicating my stance and what its based on. and u still manage to miss it.This is just sad
And,lol now im sure ur blind. U see me mentioning numerous times that surferhas used his matter and energy manip on Bill before( at a very advanced level using it on his physical structure and internal energies ) and you keep asking whether he can apply his matter manip to BRB
Can u see it now? Or are u somehow still blinded? YES surfer can apply his manipulation to bill in this match seeing as he has shown he is capable of manipulating bills body structure already. 😱
I stated, in battle with or against a Herald. He has never bin left in the dust. And I stated, that he has also zipped away in space, when he rushed Asteorth.
Are we back to this again? I have already explained why this left in the dust logic is trash. It doesnt apply because no herald he has fought has made use of superspeed while engaging him. Ur doublestandard occured when u asked for "fluid movements" to justify surfers speed and attempted to use the exact opposite(scan of a simple rush) to justify BRBs.
You mean to tell me you did not know, that was the Korbonite new found planet they attempting to defend? Well now you know. Galactus came to feast on that specific planet, that’s why the energy beam did not destroy it. That’s why the Korbinites, state all is lost and retreat when the planet was hit, and Galactus started to focus on the planet and not on their retrieval Korbinites.
What a bloody fool. Please show me where in my previous post u managed to get this assumption from. I dare u to find it. The whole point of the post was to point out that Galactus coming to consume the korbinite planet(the most obvious thing in the freaking comic but which for some reason u think is an astounding discovery) didnt at all have any bearings on ur claims in regards to the nature of that blast. Galactus had beenusing the exact same type of energy beamthat hit the planet while fighting the korbinites trying to defend their planet. And its effect were like that of a regular energy blast. The energy beam galactus used did not destroy the planet because it was not powerful enough to do so. It wasnt a planet level destroying blast as it was the same type which Galactus had been using to destroy ships. The korbinites say that all hope is lost not only because of the damage to the planet but also because their two last hopes Beta ray bill and alpha ray are floating helplessly. Infact, two pages after galactus blasts Beta ray bill, he is still seen blasting ships and also attempts to blast Beta ray(with the exact same type of blasts). He begins to focus on the remains of the planet(damaged by the beta ray blast) close to six pages after the beta ray blast in between which we see the page that shows him attacking ships
For starters he destroyed a planet.
Out of context Gibberish
Embarrassing is the thought, you are going to a law school with poor writing skills to match your weak debate tactics. I guess, you have not figured it out yet. But for the sakes, of shutting your trap, I admitted what ever nonsense you spewed. I take it back, the destruction of that planet was caused by Bill physical actions. The so called surrounding energy played no real in its destruction. Naija boy
lmao. U"take what u said back". U can even maintain one position. Though when ur argument is that the energy present within the scenario was to beautify the page, im not sure im surprised.
I applaud ur great strategy, when ignoring arguments and points fails resort to laughable personal attacks .I see that in ur deluded mind great writing skills are determined and portrayed on internet comic forums! (and have u ever tried reading thru ur posts?) Your pathetic personal attacks are almost as bad as ur pathetic arguments. They only contribute the image of foolishness which u are painting of urself. Dont stop on my account. Lets see how far u can go. Maybe u could even put some wit into it next time. 😱
