Originally posted by manx422
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so he is not unstoppable and invulnerable
i said prime is immune to magic in this thread
magic shields can hold him or not???
Lol at this thread, a lot of people has little knowledge about a lot of characters that was brought up in this thread but I dont mind helping. I want to start with war hulk. The writer stated that he was the true embodiment of strength, there was noone stronger than him. He went through absorbing man like he was nothing, one handed a pyramid and threw it off of him like it was nothing, etc... but there was still no indication of him physically dominating someone like juggernaut who has been stated on panel a couple of time as having unlimited strength.
2nd thing I would like to bring up is juggernaut being hit by onslaught. If anyone actually read the comic that punch was much more than just a punch and thats all I'm going to say about it. Someone also brought up the punch not being shown on panel, it was shown, just look at the part where juggernaut was telling the story about what was going on.
3rd, I cant believe someone posted the scan of nimrod when I honestly think that juggernaut was at 50% power. Wasnt this during the time he was sharing his powers with black tom.
4th, its very debatable that prime would walk all over the juggernaut. Has the juggernaut EVER been walked over. It has been stated that cytorrak provides his with enough strenght to get through any battle. He has shrugged off hulk punches on panel, shrugged off the god blast, shrugged off all the combine might of the exemplers, the combine might of the entire xmen. Walked through inifernoes, etc... He could trade blows with prime if he had too, making this an interesting fight, I just dont think that either would win against the other but he could easily make this a fight.
Juggernaut is pure strength and invulnerability and noone can hurt him. I agree with war hulk stopping him because war hulk was just on a level that isnt even explainable. When they say that wwh is the strongest version, thats a damn lie, war hulk was on a level of his own.
As for this thread, prime loses this one, he's a beast but hes not injuring juggernaut.
Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut is pure strength and invulnerability and noone can hurt him. I agree with war hulk stopping him because war hulk was just on a level that isnt even explainable. When they say that wwh is the strongest version, thats a damn lie, war hulk was on a level of his own.As for this thread, prime loses this one, he's a beast but hes not injuring juggernaut.
^ One of the best posts I've read by you.
War Hulk and Mindless Hulk > WWH, IMO....
Originally posted by jalek moye
even though war hulk stopped him, he still wasn't able to hurt him
I love juggernaut and he's one of the most invulnerable characters out there but I honestly think war hulk would have injured him. He had god like strength, I honestly believe he was at the peak of what a brick like character could be at. Just my opinion though.
Originally posted by Enyalus
^ One of the best posts I've read by you.War Hulk and Mindless Hulk > WWH, IMO....
Well its common sense that mindless hulk is >>wwh. Just look at the onslaught versus Mindless hulk fight, earth hero couldnt even stand due to the strength that hulk was dishing out. Hulk punches was creating small tornaodes, etc... Hell the heroes consisted of thor along with other top tiers and they were holding on to trees and some was actually getting pushed back, etc...
Originally posted by carver9
Well its common sense that mindless hulk is >>wwh. Just look at the onslaught versus Mindless hulk fight, earth hero couldnt even stand due to the strength that hulk was dishing out. Hulk punches was creating small tornaodes, etc... Hell the heroes consisted of thor along with other top tiers and they were holding on to trees and some was actually getting pushed back, etc...
Originally posted by EnyalusHave either of you considered the following:
^ One of the best posts I've read by you.War Hulk and Mindless Hulk > WWH, IMO....
1) When Juggernaut and War Hulk grappled, War Hulk was getting pushed back across an entire landscape before he finally asserted enough power to halt Juggernaut and then push him back.
2) When Juggernaut and World War Hulk grappled, they stalemated to the extent that their momentum was forced downward, threatening to destroy the foundations of the mansion.
3) Fighting the X-Men took place before he fought Ironman, the Avengers, the FF, the Champions, General Ross, Dr. Strange, Sentry or Miek. And during those subsequent fights, you see him becoming more enraged and more powerful until he hits his peak at the climax as Worldbreaker Hulk. Even when you discount Worldbreaker Hulk, World War Hulk wasn't even close to the peak of his shown power when he fought Juggernaut.
4) I don't remember any Mindless Hulk feat that matches War Hulk eventually shoving back the Juggernaut or a less-amped World War Hulk immediately stalemating the Juggernaut. It takes the power of a god-blast to do that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Have either of you considered the following:1)When Juggernaut and War Hulk grappled, War Hulk was getting pushed back across an entire landscape before he finally asserted enough power to halt Juggernaut and then push him back.
Juggernaut also started at a run and had much more momentum in that instance than in WWH, where it was virtually close quarters grappling from the get-go.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0 2)
When Juggernaut and World War Hulk grappled, they stalemated to the extent that their momentum was forced downward, threatening to destroy the foundations of the mansion.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
3)Fighting the X-Men took place before he fought Ironman, the Avengers, the FF, the Champions, General Ross, Dr. Strange, Sentry or Miek. And during those subsequent fights, you see him becoming more enraged and more powerful until he hits his peak at the climax as Worldbreaker Hulk. Even when you discount Worldbreaker Hulk, World War Hulk wasn't even close to the peak of his shown power when he fought Juggernaut.
I thought about this before. Against the Avengers, Dr. Strange, Sentry and a few others, Hulk was still holding back. I mean, he gets torn up by adamantium shrapenel because of it, when previously Wolverine couldn't cut him. To me that indicates he was weaker at that point. Though I agree, against Iron Man and a few others he was severely pissed.
But Juggernaut is an old enemy of Hulk and Hulk really detests him. I don't see any reason for him to hold back or not be pissed off when Juggernaut comes at him with his full power restored.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
4) I don't remember any Mindless Hulk feat that matches War Hulk eventually shoving back the Juggernaut or a less-amped World War Hulk immediately stalemating the Juggernaut. It takes the power of a god-blast to do that.
I had the Mindless Hulk/Onslaught fight in mind, which was very impressive to me. He also beat the West Coast Avengers and Thor in his Mindless incarnation (I think.)
Originally posted by shokosugi
Here's what Enyalus is talking about. Thor STOPPING and pushes JUGGERNAUT back.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Ok so SBP could stop juggernaut from moving forward maybe and possibly push him back. Still doesn't help him win the fight in 12 hours, unless BFRing is allowed. You should post the scan where Juggs takes a full blast of thors godblast and it doesn't even phase him.
I'd like to see that scan too :/
Originally posted by EnyalusI'm unaware of any instance that suggests that Juggernaut requires momentum for his unstoppability to be in effect except for the movie version in X-Men: The Last Stand. From a slow paced walk, he's literally trampled over people like Masterson Thor, etc.
Juggernaut also started at a run and had much more momentum in that instance than in WWH, where it was virtually close quarters grappling from the get-go.
Originally posted by EnyalusIt's not generous. It appears to be more logical to me in all respects. If he was being pushed back, than the force wouldn't be driven downward, a force strong enough to destroy even the fortified foundations of the X-Mansion.
It looked to me and a lot of other people that Hulk was slowly being pushed back, by that up-close view of their feet. Your theory that Hulk picked up his foot and readjusted it is also possible, but there's no way to say for sure. In either case, completely overpowering and tossing Juggs away > stalemating (generously) him.I thought about this before. Against the Avengers, Dr. Strange, Sentry and a few others, Hulk was still holding back. I mean, he gets torn up by adamantium shrapenel because of it, when previously Wolverine couldn't cut him. To me that indicates he was weaker at that point. Though I agree, against Iron Man and a few others he was severely pissed.
Adamantium shards shooting out from tanks, helicopters and modified BFG's are propelled with far more penetrating force than Wolverine could ever muster. There are several points where you see his rage increase substantially before Worldbreaker mode: (i) when Ironman rains napalm on him and it reminds him of Caiera burning to ashes, he goes nuts; (ii) after being repelled from his mind the first time, Dr. Strange comments how much angrier he gets upon defeating Reed and the FF and confronting the Champions; (iii) after he overcomes Dr. Strange's attempts and goes ballistic confronting General Ross, his perrenial arch-nemesis; (iv) when Miek impales Rick Jones and he starts pounding him.
While much of World War Hulk made a point to show how he controls his rage without letting it subside. His confrontation with the X-Men and Juggernaut evinced a confident, smart-ass, frustrated (but not enraged) WWH who was satisfied with leaving Xavier alone. But at each of those points I listed above, he's reduced to a snarling, raging beast. And when Hulk gets angrier, he gets stronger. I see a big difference between those situations that I'm not sure a lot of people consider.
Originally posted by EnyalusI was comparing the power of the godblast to both War Hulk's and World War Hulk's feats. Mindless Hulk kicked the crap out of the Avengers, but basically evenly matched classic Thor. I'm not knocking Mindless Hulk, since I consider that to be more of a testament to classic Thor's unfettered power.
Godblast did more than briefly stalemate him. It pushed him back pretty quickly.I had the Mindless Hulk/Onslaught fight in mind, which was very impressive to me. He also beat the West Coast Avengers and Thor in his Mindless incarnation (I think.)
Originally posted by LDHZenkaiIIRC, that was the only time Thor shoots him with a godblast.
Ok so SBP could stop juggernaut from moving forward maybe and possibly push him back. Still doesn't help him win the fight in 12 hours, unless BFRing is allowed. You should post the scan where Juggs takes a full blast of thors godblast and it doesn't even phase him.