runner vs black racer

Started by Naija boy7 pages
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Superman's feats rival and surpass that of Galactus, Tiamut and Odin

Erm lets not get carried away here Kurupt. Sure supermans feats are the top of the pile if u count "He saved the omniverse" and "defeated so and so" as feats in and of themselves. However we u bring the propercontext into it u find out that his performance of those "feats" depended on external circumstances and plot and hence those instances do not come close to justifying a power placement even remotely close to the likes of Odin let alone Tiamut or Galactus.Usually such instances dont tell us much about a characters powerlevel at all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Erm lets not get carried away here Kurupt. Sure supermans feats are the top of the pile if u count "He saved the omniverse" and "defeated so and so" as feats in and of themselves. However we u bring the propercontext into it u find out that his performance of those "feats" depended on external circumstances and plot and hence those instances do not come close to justifying a power placement even remotely close to the likes of Odin let alone Tiamut or Galactus.Usually such instances dont tell us much about a characters powerlevel at all.

Just say the PIS

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Just say the PIS
say what?

I meant to say POS
Plot of Story, or w.e. is stands for.

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Originally posted by Juntai
What you're suggesting is throwing away feats every time a character changes writers. That's bullshit and you know it. They all handle them differently. It doesn't make previous in-continuity events any less substantial.
Like, when the writer had Superman fail to speed over and catch a bullet, suddenly he can't do that anymore? lmao.

OH, BUT ITS SUPPORTED AGAIN ON PANEL.
In Amazons Attack. He couldn't stop a whole group of people from getting gunned down!

You're acting like someone's trying to pull feats from the 60s and 70s, like Thor and Hulk fans do.

Flash's bigger feats, are all still fairly recent in memory, and are still continuity.


Unless I'm mistaken, he's talking about tossing out feats that no longer fit in with how the characters being written rather than tossing them out because of the portrayals of a single writer. That's probably why he was asking for recent feats of the Flash rather than other feats from the same writer.

It's not that big of a stretch if you think about it, Nova's first appearance with the entirety of the Nova force at his disposal had him knocking Firelord and Airwalker across the solar system wtih a single blast simultaneously and Supernova's showings with the Full Nova Force had him taking on Thor, Quasar, Firelord, and others at the same time, but Richard's showings throughout and after Annihilation didn't really put the Nova Force anywhere near that level. So which showings do you consider more valid in a discussion about Nova w/full Nova Force, the old stuff that's still in continuity or the more recent showings in and after Annihilation? Did Surfer really own someone who was powerful enough to take on Thor, Quasar, and Firelord(or even just Firelord and Airwalker) at the same time?

Or maybe Richard doesn't know what the hell he's doing and Supernova had greater ability to use the power.

Black Racer wins btw.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Or maybe Richard doesn't know what the hell he's doing and Supernova had greater ability to use the power.

Black Racer wins btw.


Again, in NOVA'S(Richard Rider's) first appearance with the full Nova Force he blasted Firelord and Airwalker for a loop and across the solar system with one shot. Would you say that he seemed that powerful in Annihilation? Did Surfer really take a shot that was THAT powerful when Nova unloaded with a full gravimatetric pulse(or however you spell it)?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Unless I'm mistaken, he's talking about tossing out feats that no longer fit in with how the characters being written rather than tossing them out because of the portrayals of a single writer. That's probably why he was asking for recent feats of the Flash rather than other feats from the same writer.

It's not that big of a stretch if you think about it, Nova's first appearance with the entirety of the Nova force at his disposal had him knocking Firelord and Airwalker across the solar system wtih a single blast simultaneously and Supernova's showings with the Full Nova Force had him taking on Thor, Quasar, Firelord, and others at the same time, but Richard's showings throughout and after Annihilation didn't really put the Nova Force anywhere near that level. So which showings do you consider more valid in a discussion about Nova w/full Nova Force, the old stuff that's still in continuity or the more recent showings in and after Annihilation? Did Surfer really own someone who was powerful enough to take on Thor, Quasar, and Firelord(or even just Firelord and Airwalker) at the same time?

👆

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, in NOVA'S(Richard Rider's) first appearance with the full Nova Force he blasted Firelord and Airwalker for a loop and across the solar system with one shot. Would you say that he seemed that powerful in Annihilation. Did Surfer really take a shot that was THAT powerful when Nova unloaded with a full gravimatetric pulse(or however you spell it)?

It's obvious the writers are chosing not to give Richard the power that theoretically should be his to command. Nova Force is getting a downgrade. Hell, the Worldmind was shit scared of Annihilus during Annihilation.

It's obvious he was on the lower end of the power spectrum recently. 😬

Originally posted by Juntai
If Runner's showings don't match up to Flashs', then it's certainly true. Otherwise all you have to go on is hopes and dreams that Runner is faster, which seems to be the case. 🙂

You avoided what I said though Juntai... Don't superman's feats surpass that of Odin, Galactus, & Tiamut etc etc? So, does that mean he beats them in a fight using that same logic you tried to use here? Just because somebody has more feats doesn't mean they win a vs. battle which I have just proven here.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's obvious the writers are chosing not to give Richard the power that theoretically should be his to command. Nova Force is getting a downgrade. Hell, the Worldmind was shit scared of Annihilus during Annihilation.

It's obvious he was on the lower end of the power spectrum recently. 😬


And by the same token, Flash's writers aren't currently acknowledging the same level of speed/power that they used to. Neither received any kind of official downgrade, they just started writing both differently. So which feats are more valid for Flash and Nova(as well as everyone the square off against) in vs threads, the old stuff or the new?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Erm lets not get carried away here Kurupt. Sure supermans feats are the top of the pile if u count "He saved the omniverse" and "defeated so and so" as feats in and of themselves. However we u bring the propercontext into it u find out that his performance of those "feats" depended on external circumstances and plot and hence those instances do not come close to justifying a power placement even remotely close to the likes of Odin let alone Tiamut or Galactus.Usually such instances dont tell us much about a characters powerlevel at all.

I totally agree but was only trying to make a point that you can't just go by who has more feats and better feats. Supes has way more and better feats then Tiamut but Tiamut could wtf pwn him even with a sunamp

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So BR=BF?
It wasn't the case before there have been many incarnations of death and these two were thought to be different

But FC shows that Black Racer is indeed the same entity as Black Flash.

as noted by Wally here:

Hope that answers your question.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Erm lets not get carried away here Kurupt. Sure supermans feats are the top of the pile if u count "He saved the omniverse" and "defeated so and so" as feats in and of themselves. However we u bring the propercontext into it u find out that his performance of those "feats" depended on external circumstances and plot and hence those instances do not come close to justifying a power placement even remotely close to the likes of Odin let alone Tiamut or Galactus.Usually such instances dont tell us much about a characters powerlevel at all.

Can't really spell taht any clearer than that people. But i'm willing to bet the house they they still don't understand.

Originally posted by kgkg
It wasn't the case before there have been many incarnations of death and these two were thought to be different

But FC shows that Black Racer is indeed the same entity as Black Flash.

as noted by Wally here:

Hope that answers your question.


Yeah, so why is this up for debate.

If Bf and BR are the same person/entity then they win.

Black Flash was clearly faster then Flash. By a good margin.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, so why is this up for debate.

If Bf and BR are the same person/entity then they win.

Black Flash was clearly faster then Flash. By a good margin.

Have you read the debates? this is not even about Black Racer vs Runner

Originally posted by kgkg
Have you read the debates? this is not even about Black Racer vs Runner

You mean the one with Juntai, Ninja boy..etc? Yes, I have

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, so why is this up for debate.

If Bf and BR are the same person/entity then they win.

Black Flash was clearly faster then Flash. By a good margin.


It's up for debate because Flash recently stated that Death can't go lightspeed.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You mean the one with Juntai, Ninja boy..etc? Yes, I have

Ehem Ehem, are u blind? 😛 Its Naija boy 😠