Originally posted by Scribble
Can I just get back to the fact that my point is kind of clear, and that's that 'Antifa' is not a political organisation, and labelling them as such is unhelpful and assists in creating a platform for literal Nazis to play the victims?
And can I just say I think ignoring the violence from Antifa, acts labeled as terrorist acts by the DHS, is also harmful and has indeed caused actual harm?
Thankfully, more people are coming around.
Originally posted by SurturThe DHS considers Juggalos to be a gang, so I mean, I don't know how useful they are here...
But the right does not support nazis. Also the most stupid thing about the label "Antifa" is that it stands for anti fascist and they are the exact opposite of that.Also, you can say the label is stupid, but our DHS sees fit to use it, they have apparently warranted enough attention to have warnings given out. Their activities have been labeled as terrorism.
So it boggles the mind you think it encourages pro fascist thought to label them, when they exhibit fascist tendencies under the guise of fighting it lol. That is pro fascism without coming out and saying "I'm pro fascism".
Look, you keep missing my point: yes, some of the people who parade under the Antifa label definitely demonstrate a sense of wanting to quash any political dissidence against their ideologies (i.e., anything even vaguely centre or right-leaning), so allowing those people to be labelled Antifa is ridiculous. There are plenty of parts of the supposed 'Antifa' group who are entirely peaceful and truly, truly anti-fascist, so why is it the loudest and most violent of them that get to wear the nametag? That is why it's unhelpful.
Originally posted by SurturSeriously though, if one guy in clown makeup blows up a bank, are all fans of ICP responsible?
And can I just say I think ignoring the violence from Antifa, acts labeled as terrorist acts by the DHS, is also harmful and has indeed caused actual harm?Thankfully, more people are coming around.
Originally posted by Scribble
The DHS considers Juggalos to be a gang, so I mean, I don't know how useful they are here...Look, you keep missing my point: yes, some of the people who parade under the Antifa label definitely demonstrate a sense of wanting to quash any political dissidence against their ideologies (i.e., anything even vaguely centre or right-leaning), so allowing those people to be labelled Antifa is ridiculous. There are plenty of parts of the supposed 'Antifa' group who are entirely peaceful and truly, truly anti-fascist, so why is it the loudest and most violent of them that get to wear the nametag? That is why it's unhelpful.
And the DHS and FBI weren't warning state and local officials across the country about attacks from ICP for the last year. So it's still not valid to dismiss.
I also get your point, but then my response is people should not label themselves Antifa then lol. Sorry, the violent people ruined it. Fight fascism in another way, don't give yourself a label of a group that using fascism to fight non-existent fascism.
Originally posted by Scribble
Seriously though, if one guy in clown makeup blows up a bank, are all fans of ICP responsible?
Nope, but if ICP begin committing various attacks of terror across this country(and others) then yeah, best not to label yourself as a member of that group anymore.
You see the difference, correct? In one person committing a crime and coordinated "protests" across the country where they show up ready to commit violence?