Originally posted by SurturBeing a white nationalist is stupid though, because it focuses on race rather than specific heritage. Also, the majority of people who consider themselves white nationalists generally are racist because they're literally focusing on race rather than heritage. Being anti-fascist is a good thing and not stupid, so it shouldn't be allowed to be ruined. I'm proudly anti-fascist because fascism is a shit ideology.
And yet violent little shits have ruined it. Saying you are a white nationalist has the potential to come with negative connotations too, even though not all of them are nazis or white supremacists. We also both know that even though you might be okay with it, it would be seen as racist here.So it sucks that some shitheads ruined the label, but they did lol.
There are even specific Antifa chapters, like Antifa Boston. They are communists and actually got mad when they were called patriots.
Originally posted by Scribble
Like I'm personally proud of my European heritage (which is mixed, I have Romanian, Swedish, Polish and non-specific Prussian heritage), which is by default 'white', but it's not the White part I'm proud of, it's the lineage itself, as well as my own specific family members. But everyone should be able to be proud of their heritage, it gives people a sense of being part of something larger.
Yeah but like I said, if you actually decide to say you are proud to be white...well, that has been ruined by folk too. It's to the point where more or less too much has been done to ever undo it. Oh and Antifa has also committed violence in Europe too lol.
Antifa has coordinated more or less what I see as attacks all across this country. Not just punching people, doing things that can result in serious bodily harm or death. Or do you think you would be okay if I chucked a brick at your head? Or hit you hard in the skull with a bike lock? Or struck you hard in the head with a glass bottle? Or hell, just pummeled you in the head several times with my fist? What if nobody gave a shit I did that to you, because nazis exist?
People say Antifa are small, the violent ones. Okay, and in comparison to our 300+ million people in the country the nazis are hilariously small too.
Originally posted by Scribble
Being a white nationalist is stupid though, because it focuses on race rather than specific heritage. Also, the majority of people who consider themselves white nationalists generally are racist because they're literally focusing on race rather than heritage. Being anti-fascist is a good thing and not stupid, so it shouldn't be allowed to be ruined. I'm proudly anti-fascist because fascism is a shit ideology.
Black power focuses on race too, but this is seen as positive in our society.
Originally posted by SurturMy last post covers the first few parts, but the last part, yeah, the Nazis are a small group, but goddamn they make themselves known to minorities and minority communities whenever they can, and as violently as they can. Nazis are known to be violent people, anti-fascists are generally only violent to Nazis and other propagators of fascism. The more violent ones often go for other right-leaning people, which is stupid and should be challenged, but their core ideology isn't rooted in bigotry and blind hatred, like Nazism is. There are good anti-fascists; there aren't good Nazis because their core doctrine is based around hatred of The Other.
Yeah but like I said, if you actually decide to say you are proud to be white...well, that has been ruined by folk too. It's to the point where more or less too much has been done to ever undo it. Oh and Antifa has also committed violence in Europe too lol.Antifa has coordinated more or less what I see as attacks all across this country. Not just punching people, doing things that can result in serious bodily harm or death. Or do you think you would be okay if I chucked a brick at your head? Or hit you hard in the skull with a bike lock? Or struck you hard in the head with a glass bottle? Or hell, just pummeled you in the head several times with my fist? What if nobody gave a shit I did that to you, because nazis exist?
People say Antifa are small, the violent ones. Okay, and in comparison to our 300+ million people in the country the nazis are hilariously small too.
Originally posted by SurturYeah, but it isn't, overall. However, Bash previously (ages ago previously, like weeks) made the point that most white Americans can trace their lineage back to specific countries, Irish-American, Italian-American, etc. Due to the slave trade, most black Americans don't have that, so all they have is the fact that they are black. Of course, this gets taken to extremes sometimes, but the rationale behind it makes sense. Black is all the heritage they can be proud of, so they should obviously be allowed to celebrate that. White pride is stupid because, again, most white Americans know where they originally hailed from.
Black power focuses on race too, but this is seen as positive in our society.
Originally posted by Scribble
My last post covers the first few parts, but the last part, yeah, the Nazis are a small group, but goddamn they make themselves known to minorities and minority communities whenever they can, and as violently as they can. Nazis are known to be violent people, anti-fascists are generally only violent to Nazis and other propagators of fascism. The more violent ones often go for other right-leaning people, which is stupid and should be challenged, but their core ideology isn't rooted in bigotry and blind hatred, like Nazism is. There are good anti-fascists; there aren't good Nazis because their core doctrine is based around hatred of The Other.
When the nazis are left alone to do...nazi stuff, does violence usually occur?
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah, but it isn't, overall. However, Bash previously (ages ago previously, like weeks) made the point that most white Americans can trace their lineage back to specific countries, Irish-American, Italian-American, etc. Due to the slave trade, most black Americans don't have that, so all they have is the fact that they are black. Of course, this gets taken to extremes sometimes, but the rationale behind it makes sense. Black is all the heritage they can be proud of, so they should obviously be allowed to celebrate that. White pride is stupid because, again, most white Americans know where they originally hailed from.
You say most whites can, so it means not all. So it should be okay to say it. You can call it silly, it just shouldn't be immediately called racist.
Originally posted by SurturYeah, they go around at night and beat t'shit out of black people, generally.
When the nazis are left alone to do...nazi stuff, does violence usually occur?
Originally posted by SurturWhite people who do not know their heritage should definitely be allowed to be proud of being 'White' if that is all they have. Sadly, this might end up with them delving into racism, but what other choice do we have? Plenty of black Americans also delve into racist ideology and hate speech, which is often accepted by mass culture due to their history of oppression. Sad but true.
You say most whites can, so it means not all. So it should be okay to say it. You can call it silly, it just shouldn't be immediately called racist.