Originally posted by Scribble
All of these are human terms. Once God spent time as a human as Jesus, even he questioned his own existence:“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
So even God questioned his own 'kindness', and then, when he became God again, he realised he had been cruel to his children (see: OT), and thus eased up on Man and let him choose his own path.
The NT is effectively the redemption arc of the OT 'cruel' God.
Lol this insane cosmic horror birthed itself, then died, then expected to be thanked.
Even Dr. Doom would be like "That b*tch is evil".
Originally posted by Scribble
I mean, as I've said, you're applying your own limited human terms onto God, which is a mistake. I also believe a lot of how we interpret the Bible is off, due to translation errors and the like, and that includes the 'virgin' birth of Jesus
Then we need to toss out the ten commandments. Either they didn't truly come from God, or they did and he doesn't obey them.
Originally posted by SurturLike I say, idfk, man. All I know is that I wholeheartedly surrendered myself to Jesus and my depression disappeared, I had the strength to stop drinking, and my life had kept better ever since, all with a little bit of faith. Thus, I know God to be 'good', and so I work backwards from that, as opposed to beginning with limited critiques of an ancient book mistranslated a million times.
Lol this insane cosmic horror birthed itself, then died, then expected to be thanked.Even Dr. Doom would be like "That b*tch is evil".
Originally posted by Scribble
Like I say, idfk, man. All I know is that I wholeheartedly surrendered myself to Jesus and my depression disappeared, I had the strength to stop drinking, and my life had kept better ever since, all with a little bit of faith. Thus, I know God to be 'good', and so I work backwards from that, as opposed to beginning with limited critiques of an ancient book mistranslated a million times.
I'm sure the people at Jonestown felt the same way.
Originally posted by SurturJesus did exactly that, though. He decried Jews who followed the rules 'just because they're the rules', and explained that all of these specific rules aren't as important as having that personal connection to the divine. Have you read the NT? It's basically just Jesus going around calling everyone a hypocrite for putting stock in rules whilst not actually living good lives.
Then we need to toss out the ten commandments. Either they didn't truly come from God, or they did and he doesn't obey them.
Originally posted by Scribble
Jesus did exactly that, though. He decried Jews who followed the rules 'just because they're the rules', and explained that all of these specific rules aren't as important as having that personal connection to the divine. Have you read the NT? It's basically just Jesus going around calling everyone a hypocrite for putting stock in rules whilst not actually living good lives.
Honor thy father and mother.
Hey there isn't a story about jesus disobeying his parents at temple...
(There is, I got in trouble in school for pointing this out)
Originally posted by Scribble
Jonestown was a cult led by a maniac who had absolutely no connection to God. I see no relevance to my own personal faith here
If Jim Jones had, instead of ordering all people to kill themselves, just said "kill every first born" I feel like this would have been condemned by most of the outside world. Even Christians.
Originally posted by SurturLike I say, my faith is very different to most people's, I really don't feel any kinship with the majority of Christianity. The Catholic church has used holy texts as a form of social control since its founding
Honor thy father and mother.Hey there isn't a story about jesus disobeying his parents at temple...
(There is, I got in trouble in school for pointing this out)
Originally posted by SurturI think the Bible contains all of the truth of mankind, and enjoy it every time I read it. Finding truth isn't easy, nor should it be, so I enjoy the many layers it works upon.
So you do not believe in the bible?
I think the NT is the most important aspect, specifically the sections that deal directly with the Jesus narrative, so that's what I put the most stock into.
Originally posted by Scribble
I think the Bible contains all of the truth of mankind, and enjoy it every time I read it. Finding truth isn't easy, nor should it be, so I enjoy the many layers it works upon.I think the NT is the most important aspect, specifically the sections that deal directly with the Jesus narrative, so that's what I put the most stock into.
Ur legit in a cult tho, it's just the most popular one right now. Congrats.