Ultimate vs 616 blade, capt, wolverine

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... I'm talking about when Ult. Cap confronted Ult. Juggernaut in Ultimates 3.

Still lulz at your excuses regarding the former Ult. juggernaut incident and ultimately besides the point. Also, you don't address Ult. Cap defending against Zarda's attack without the benefit of a force-absorbing shield. But why would I expect you to?

Prove it cite issue number of there confrontation. No offense but since our last debate your credibility isn't that great. Of course you would laugh about it since it doesn't remotely help your case gas and no sign of him anywhere sheeesh. And that feat of him stopping a sword? So what Cap has wrestled with Lady Octopus arms and even tackled down Thor,Giantman, and Ironman when he woke up after being suspended in ice. He even tackled down Ironman recently in Avengers/Invaders, but I guess you wouldn't know that.

No were has it ever been stated U.Cap can press 10 tons. You saying he's as strong as U.S.Agent is not even remotely accurate.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
On panel? Yeah, one punch.

I'm pretty sure Spidey did more than that, though. It must've happened off-panel. Hence Cap thanking Peter and saying: "I couldn't have defeated him without you" or something like that.

Caps just being generous. And Off panel equals not provable.

Anyways that's a "high end" feat for 616 Cap not the norm. Problem is U.Cap really doesn't have a feat like that yet GO claims his first encounter with Juggs proves it, yet its never shown on panel. Plus since there's gas in that very room it makes it ambiguous at best.

Yet there are the many times U.Cap has failed to KO guys on U.Juggs level even if he did in there first encounter(which he didn't.)

This second time sounds new to me but I'll give U.Cap a chance for him to have his first "High End" feat like 616 Cap.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
He looked calm via not angry or yelling.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Prove it cite issue number of there confrontation. No offense but since our last debate your credibility isn't that great. Of course you would laugh about it since it doesn't remotely help your case gas and no sign of him anywhere sheeesh. And that feat of him stopping a sword? So what Cap has wrestled with Lady Octopus arms and even tackled down Thor,Giantman, and Ironman when he woke up after being suspended in ice. He even tackled down Ironman recently in Avengers/Invaders, but I guess you wouldn't know that.

No were has it ever been stated U.Cap can press 10 tons. You saying he's as strong as U.S.Agent is not even remotely accurate.

Lulz at you trying to downplay Ult. Cap blocking Zarda's axe-swing without a force-absorbing shield. Do you even know who Zarda is? The mess that Avengers/Invaders is has nothing to add to this. Especially when you cite to a fight where Cap pummels Ironman with his fists. 😐

Please read the comics that have been published since our last debate before wasting space with your posts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Barring how ridiculous that sounds... he got angry again and was yelling after he had a tank dropped on his head. Pretty obvious if you simply read the panels where he rips through the tank to get to Ult. Cap. 😐

And thats my point he got angry again but since he was calm who knows how much the tank drop affected him. Attacks do hurt and affect Hulk making it a circumstantial for U.Cap downing him. Pretty obvious.

No sign of him anywhere? So you've been talking this whole time and you never even read Ultimates #3. facepalm

Lulz at you trying to downplay Ult. Cap blocking Zarda's axe-swing without a force-absorbing shield. Do you even know who Zarda is? The mess that Avengers/Invaders is has nothing to add to this. Especially when you cite to a fight where Cap pummels Ironman with his fists. 😐

Please read the comics that have been published since our last debate before wasting space with your posts.

Yes no sign of him being downed by Cap with the room filled with gas. I've already debunked that one of your claimed feats. I was talking about that one.

Cite the issue number for this "other" one. Like I said can't trust your credibility. I notice you ignore 616 Cap feats. But applaud at U.Caps. uh huh.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Actually yes he did. He saved Spiderman from Hulk and even made Hulk bleed. Spiderman helped with one punch but Cap did most of the work.

Originally posted by Trackz
That's not current captain america.

True current is Bucky but usually U.Cap is compared to Steve.

Although Bucky as Cap vs U.Cap is also a good fight. That bio-arm is no joke. It tore through Ironmans armor IIRC.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
True current is Bucky but usually U.Cap is compared to Steve.

Although Bucky as Cap vs U.Cap is also a good fight. That bio-arm is no joke. It tore through Ironmans armor IIRC.

Originally posted by Trackz
usually yes, but unless otherwise stated, Captain America is Bucky (this has ben confirmed by the OP)

Well I concede to that. Current Bucky it is, my mistake. I give it to U.Cap but not easy. Current Buck is no joke.

I'd still like to see this so called high end feat of U.Cap of his second fight with U.Juggs though. GO if you don't have the scans if you could cite the issue number I would appreciate it. 🙂

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And thats my point he got angry again but since he was calm who knows how much the tank drop affected him. Attacks do hurt and affect Hulk making it a circumstantial for U.Cap downing him. Pretty obvious.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes no sign of him being downed by Cap with the room filled with gas. I've already debunked that one of your claimed feats.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cite the issue number for this other one. Like I said can't trust your credibility. I notice you ignore 616 Cap feats. But applaud at U.Caps. uh huh.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. It sounds quite stupid actually. The same type of stupid when you actually argued that Ult. Cap was never really hit by Ult. Abomination back in the other thread and trying to downplay his durability then.

No just said it wasn't a full impact hit as his head or face are not under his massive fists and his legs are dangling out and he's moving back. Still impressive as I see you distort my words. Nice try though. It would have been real impressive if he was lying flat on his back and then the hammer fists came straight down on him. Other wise 616 Cap has feats that match that one.

Ha. Lemme guess, the gas weakened Ult. Juggernaut greatly. The gas didn't even knock out Hard-Drive or Vanisher. Good job. And gas isn't going to magically help Ult. Cap lift Ult. Juggernaut off the ground and send him crashing through the wall horizontally. Is this magical gas? Is that was it is? It magically sucks the power and durability away from Ult. Juggernaut and levitates him too? facepalm

Crashing through the wall doesn't mean he was shown out or KO'ed. Gas enough for U.Cap to wear. And was this a magical hit that it magically shows Jugg magically off panel in your magical world were we don't see Juggs out? 🙂

Ultimates 3 #5. Lulz at credibility when you have actually stated that 616 Cap has one-shotted Korvac and Hulk. That was pretty epic. Still dodging the amount of strength necessary to block Zarda's attack without a force-absorbing shield, I see. Keep it up.

I retracted my Korvac statement still its impressive what he did since he hurt Korvac. You on the other hand don't and stick to Juggs was out in that encounter which you could never prove so. Good job.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
No just said it wasn't a full impact hit as his head or face being under the fists and his legs are dangling and he's moving back. Still impressive as I see you distort my words. Nice try though.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Crashing through the wall doesn't mean he was shown out or KO'ed. Gas enough for U.Cap to wear. And and was this a magical hit that it magically shows Jugg magically off panel in your magical world were we don't see Juggs out? 🙂

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I retracted my Korvac statement still its impressive what he did since he hurt Korvac. You on the other hand don't and stick to Juggs was out in that encounter which you could never prove so. Good job.

And keep dodging Zarda. part of me wonders if you even know who she is without wiki. 😕

LOL o my god. Just saw the fight with ultimate Cap vs Ultimate juggs.

You forgot to leave out that Logan rammed him with a dinosaur, a Triceratops and this dino's head was the size of Juggz to boot as Juggs was down and practically whipped. His armor was wrecked from it and U.Juggs was down and Logan is taunting him as he's not even able to do anything to Logan or anything about it. And then U.Cap asks Logan to let him have his turn.

LOL.

Seriously your crediblity is finished after that one.

At least in mine I stated Spiderman helped with a wimpy non confident punch. Again you fail to tell the circumstances. ha.

The more we disscuss U.Cap feats the less impressive they become.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL o my god. Just saw the fight with ultimate Cap vs Ultimate juggs.

You forgot to leave out that Logan rammed him with a dinosaur, a Triceratops and this dino's head was the size of Juggz to boot as Juggs was down and practically whipped. His armor was wrecked from it and U.Juggs was down and Logan is taunting him as he's not even able to do anything to Logan or anything about it. And then U.Cap asks Logan to let him have his turn.

LOL.

Seriously your crediblity is finished after that one.

At least in mine I stated Spiderman helped with a wimpy non confident punch. Again you fail to tell the circumstances. ha.

The more we disscuss U.Cap feats the less impressive they become.

Did you miss the part in the previous issue before Logan intercedes where Ult. Juggs is literally stomping on Ult. Cap? Do you still not understand what it means to block Zarda's axeblow?

why not just compare there feats. I remeber this debate before and onces the feats were compared with scans and comic numbers it was shown ultimate capt was not much stronger if at all if i recall correctly

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
As I said before, Ult. Cap got the last shot. Does the fact that he's even able to affect Cytorrak enhanced Ult. Juggernaut mean nothing to you? 😐

Did you miss the part in the previous issue before Logan intercedes where Ult. Juggs is literally stomping on Ult. Cap? Do you still not understand what it means to block Zarda's axeblow?

Nope saw it. Yes its impressive that he can affect a badly hurt and down U.Juggs? But again the feat does not yell superiority to 616 Cap(steve) or Bucky with his super strong bio-arm.

Just saw the beat down he took from U.Juggs its impressive. But he is wearing a similar black suit could be vibraniam making it help.

Impressive but 616 Cap has also taken a legit beat downs from Ironman, Namoretc etc. So not a superior feat.

U.Juggs just seemed to job there as did 616 Hulk vs Cap. Doesn't surprise me since Loeb did "both" those books.

The Loeb 616 Hulk vs Cap is >>>>>> then the Loeb U.Juggs vs U.Cap.

My point remains the same........ a lot stronger doesn't seem to show.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
why not just compare there feats. I remeber this debate before and onces the feats were compared with scans and comic numbers it was shown ultimate capt was not much stronger if at all if i recall correctly

Exactly. I mean as you saw in this debate fans still site him downing Giant man as a reason why he's stronger.

But it doesn't even come close. GO claims he's as strong at USAGent yet he can't even cite him having 10 ton strength anywhere. I think a hand book the eariler one said like 2 or 5 tons can't remember. Maybe it was 4 tons but sheeeesh nothing like USAgent or 616 Spiderman like they try to make it sound.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Nope saw it. Yes its impressive that he can affect a badly hurt and down U.Juggs? But again the feat does not yell superiority to 616 Cap(steve) or Bucky with his super strong bio-arm.

Just saw the beat down he took from U.Juggs its impressive. But he is wearing a similar black suit could be vibraniam making it help.

Vibranium? Where did you get this? Ult. Cap has sparred with Ult. Black Panther before and beat him. If Ult. Black Panther had a vibranium suit, Ult. Cap wouldn't be able to hurt him at all. Your incredulity at him sustaining such a beating at Ult. Jugg's hands is dubious. Ult. Cap has taken a lot of beatings before and has only been knocked out once, when a Rocketman blitzed him from the sky after he had been shot full of tetrodotoxin.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Impressive but 616 Cap has also taken a legit beat downs from Ironman, Namoretc etc. So not a superior feat.

U.Juggs just seemed to job there as did 616 Hulk vs Cap. Doesn't surprise me since Loeb did "both" those books.

My point remains the same a lot stronger doesn't seem to show.

The only thing that remains is you still dodge Ult. Cap blocking Zarda's attack.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Well, we disagree.

Vibranium? Where did you get this? Ult. Cap has sparred with Ult. Black Panther before and beat him. If Ult. Black Panther had a vibranium suit, Ult. Cap wouldn't be able to hurt him at all. Your incredulity at him sustaining such a beating at Ult. Jugg's hands is dubious.

There are weakness on Vibranium on were to hit or the weave as seen from 616 BP so not necessarily so.

[QUOTE]Ult. Cap has taken a lot of beatings before and has only been knocked out once, when a Rocketman blitzed him from the sky after he had been shot full of tetrodotoxin.No. 616 Cap has survived beatdowns. He has not sustained such beatdowns without nearly dying. So yes, they are superior feats. Don't even try to argue against Ult. Cap's superior durability. Please.

His durability does seem better but its bounces as well when he fights guys with much less or weaker strength then guys like Juggs. For example Nightowl, Russian Super Soildier, Black Panther, Tariq(however u spell his name). Now maybe if guys like them couldn't hurt U.Cap at all with strikes, you would have a point on "superior" durability. Maybe he just has a better ability of remaining conscious. The more he fights his street level characters the more they show him getting hurt from there singe strikes.

[QUOTE]The only thing that remains is you still dodge Ult. Cap blocking Zarda's attack.

Even though his shield doesn't absorb impact it still offers protection otherwise he would use it. Sounds impressive but not superior.

Also a regular human who was using 616 Cap shield, died blocking Thunder ball's attack. Cap has withstood guys who are much stronger then him and did not come close to dying like Thor, Hulk and many more. Plus it just doesn't sound that impressive to me blocking a sword strike. 616 Cap still has the better higher end durability feats like his own shield crushing him with Wonderman unable to remove it. I see you dodge his feats as well.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
There are weakness on Vibranium on were to hit or the weave as seen from 616 BP so not necessarily.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
His durability does seem better but its bounces as well when he fights guys with much less or weaker strength then guys like Juggs. for example Nightowl, Russian Super Soildier, Black Panther, Tariq(however u spell his name). Now maybe if guys like them couldn't hurt U.Cap at all with strikes, you would have a point on superior durability. Maybe he just has a better ability of remaining conscious. The more he fights his a list street groups the more they show he getting hurt from them.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Even though his shield doesn't absorb impact it still offers protection otherwise he would use it. Sounds impressive but not superior.

Also a regular human who was using 616 Cap shield, died blocking Thunder ball's attack. Cap has withstood guys who are much stronger then him and did not come close to dying like Thor, Hulk and many more. Plus it just doesn't sound that impressive to me blocking a sword strike. 616 Cap still has the better higher end durability feats like his own shield crushing him with Wonderman unable to remove it. I see you dodge his feats as well.

Yup. You didn't read Ultimate Hulk Annual either. I knew it, despite arguing over it for 2 pages. You don't even know who Zarda is without wiki, do you?

It doesn't sound impressive to you because apparently you have no idea how strong Zarda is. Or that when you have no force-absorbing shield, in order to stand your ground after blocking the attack of a 100+ class Zarda would require strength well over 616 Cap's. Have you seen 616 Cap when he tries to block a strong foe's attack without a force-absorbing shield? http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2015/capiii08p15and16zq7.jpg Try again.

And how can I dodge a feat of 616 Cap's that you haven't mentioned up until now? Am I psychic? Can I see the future? Post the scan of the instance you're speaking of so I can see what you're talking about before projecting your baseless inanity.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
A hulk who was hurt from Ironman/calmed down by wasp/tank drop. Yes he put him down "briefly". Once the Hulk fought back U.Cap didn't stand a chance.

Calmed down?

How was he calmed down?

He was far from calm. He was hornier than ever after Janet flashed him.

Iron Man hurt him by using thought scramblers and all that did was slow him down for a few seconds.

Dropping a tank on him far from calmed him down. It made him angrier than ever.

Ultimate Captain America survived a beating from Ultimate Hulk with only a fractured/broken arm and some bleeding to show it. The same Ultimate Hulk, whom right after beating on Ultimate Captain America, downed Thor in one hit.

So?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap has downed The wrecking crew members as the Rhino. He even batted around King Thor with "circumstances" like U.Cap as well.

Context is important.

All he did was throw himself and his shield in front of a single blow and was sent flying. A shock absorbing Vibranium composed shield. It still was severely dented from that one attack.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Giant Man you mean the one he beat with falling girders? Yeah thats impressive but 616 Cap's rival Taskmaster beat 3 Giant Men and much easier then U.Cap. 616 Cap has done well against Giant Man as well.

Context.

Ultimate Captain America, literally manhandled Giant Man.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan1.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan2.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan3.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan4.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan5.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/UltCapvsGiantMan6.jpg

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap has held his own against a Superhuman Scroll that was very durable and has held his own against many superhuman strong characters.

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What the **** is a "Superhuman Scroll"?

Now I "know" you made that up.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Don't get me wrong I think U.Cap is stronger but not by a lot.

Whatever you say....

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