DARTH POWER
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Originally posted by Gideon
Henceforth, those who do not use logic shall be shunned, ridiculed, and then put on ignore. I, Gideon, the duly appointed arbiter of logic as per the orders of the KMC Holy Trinity, haff spokin.
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Originally posted by Gideon
That's just it. While Mace and Dooku may be equal in raw bladework, that isn't exactly how Mace fights; Vaapad and the shatterpoint charism are two advantages that would tip the overall combat scale in his favor, hence why Dooku ceased the engagement on Boz Pity and relied on Magnaguards to survive, despite the fact that he instructed his underlings to "leave the Jedi to [Dooku]."
I never denied Mace wuldnt win a Saber fight against Dooku.. Your right Vapaad + Shatterpoint would favour Mace to tip the odds on his side.
But Dooku running means nothing.. Thats just a strategic retreat from fighting someone whose easily his equal, but willing to give his life to take out Dooku.. Dooku on the other hand was not willing to give his own life.. Thats the cowardice Sith way, the same reason why Sidious tried to flee from Yoda.
Anyway if Dooku and Mace are equal in pure bladework, then that would make Anakin superior to Mace in pure bladework, and he would need Vapaad's advantage on Darksiders to win.
Originally posted by Gideon
This is fairly inept. Yoda made it explicitly clear to everyone that Dooku "must be captured." It's a qualifier; he wasn't seeking to kill Count Dooku, though we can all speculate that he was willing to go there. Intent makes a great deal of difference. This, coupled with the fact that Yoda didn't even try to attack Dooku until the last salvo with the Force and that he would later embarrass his former protege on Vjun -- a planet steeped in the dark side of the Force and thus an environment where Dooku's powers were at their apex -- is proof enough: if Yoda attacked Dooku the way he attacked Sidious in the Rotunda, Dooku would be utterly destroyed.
Dooku must be "captured" which is only said in the novel not the film, was said to stress the fact that dooku has to be stopped to stop this war.
The word "Captured" means jack.. Thats just the Jedi way, unless absolutley neccesary to kill. Mace also went to "Arrest" Palpatine not kill him(before the FL started), yet Anakin noticed there was no Jedi restraint there. Anakin also did not hold back against Dooku, and yet still had the "option" of capturing him or killing him.
So using the word "Capture" from the novel, to some how suggest Yoda was not going to try very hard to stop Dooku is quite stupid. Yeah fine hed rather "capture" him... so what was stopping him from Knocking him out with the Force, or chopping off his arms and legs in the Saber fight?? Nothing.
As for Vjun, where Yoda was overpowering Dooku "Slowly, slowly" most people like yourself have completely missed the fact that the atmosphere of Vjun was affecting Yoda as well making him much more fierce than he usually is. "The sight of Yoda was terrible to behold", and he admitted his intentions were always to Kill Dooku. "Even here in this dark place Love you enough to Kill you I DO"
Originally posted by Gideon
This, too, is fairly inept. Vaapad is a variant of Juyo, which requires its users to be "high end masters of multiple forms." It is commonly referred to as the most demanding and technical of forms; Yoda has personally referred to it as "the deadliest." So, yeah, it's a lot better..
Oh and deadliest has got nothing to do with the extra speed and power it grants? Of course it does.. But "technical skill" for a Saber Duel is something totally different.. Thats why Makashi's the best for that despite Vapaad being the deadliest. And Vader knew Juyo by RODV,not lonf after ROTS meaning he must also have been a high level master of many forms.
Originally posted by Gideon
"But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue. Impasse. Which might have gone on forever, if Vaapad were Mace's only gift.[...]
Feeling for its shatterpoint."
Page 331 of the hardback novel. You lose.
Yeah if you stop reading there. If you carry on reading Shatterpoint didnt help him. Just pointed him to Anakin, and he had no idea how to take advantage of that. I lose Nothing.