Anakin Skywalker vs. Mace Windu · Star Wars Versus Forum

ares834 Senior Member

Originally posted by Eminence
Most powerful Jedi of his [b]generation. Generation = 25 years. Mace is 53, Anakin is 23. 53 - 23 = 30. 30 > 25.
And again, the fact that he is more "powerful" does not mean he is physically "stronger," nor does it mean he poses a threat via the Force. This is illustrated rather clearly in his duel with Obi-Wan. [/B]

Agreed. Notice how I say it dosen't mean he beats Mace. As for the generation thing... Nice catch.
"This is Anakin Skywalker:
The most powerful Jedi of his generation. Perhaps of any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace. He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it."
Of course the "He is the best there is at what he does" quote dosen't say exatly what he does but it seems to be referring to the sentances directly before. But this point can be debated.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by Eminence
Amino acids are not bad.

Uric acid though...

Jinsoku Takai CIT Network Technician

Originally posted by ares834
I can also see Pre-mustafar Vader winning. Mace says Anakin may be the best jedi. However, my argument rests on the fact that Anakin man-handled the Count in ROTS and Dooku has defeated Mace.

I don't think that besting someone in a sparring session is quite the same as defeating them in a combat situation (i.e. Dooku > Windu). Also, due to the fact that this was nothing more than a sparring session, Mace's Vaapad wouldn't have come into play here. Moreover, Mace was much younger at the time and not at his peak yet. I also recall reading somewhere that Yoda, who also bested Mace in a sparring session, noted that Mace was holding back quite a bit. Just a thought.

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Case 3:
Vaapad Practitioner in a Sparring setting
The consensus on the boards is that Vapaad does not automatically use the metaphysical aspects of the style in a fight. The combinations of the saber style, the sequences, would be unaffected by the users 'mood'. I take issue with this idea.
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Vapaad was not just a saber style-it was a state of mind

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There was no Jedi restraint here.
Mace Windu was cutting loose.

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Vaapad is a channel for darkness

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Vaapad is as aggressive and powerful as its namesake, but its power comes at great risk: immersion in Vaapad opens the gates that restrain one's inner darkness. To use Vaapad, a Jedi must allow himself to enjoy the fight; he must give himself over to the thrill of battle. The rush of winning. Vaapad is a path that leads through the penumbra of the dark side.

This shows that to use Vaapad at all, one must enjoy the battle, and to do so one must fight the lure of the Dark Side. Simply using the form on Karun Hal (without a lightsaber in his hand) pushed him dangerously close to the Dark Side:

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He knew already he could not match Vastor for raw power. With each breath, he stripped away another layer of restraint and inhibition. Another layer of serenity. He had to move his inner peace out of the way to let in the joy. The thrill. the sheer okay-why-not-let's-FIGHT. Because Vaapad was more than just a form os Lightsaber combat.
It was a state of mind.
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To use Vaapad now, out here was incredibly dangerous-almost as dangerous as not using it.

You can't get Vaapad results without using a Vaapad state of mind.[/quote]

Jinsoku Takai CIT Network Technician

Exactly! The "Count Dooku bested Mace" arguments are often used in these debates. However, from a logical PoV, these stances fall flat on their face, for a number of reasons.

Asajj Ventress Junior Member

Re: Anakin Skywalker vs. Mace Windu

Mace windu would win but its something I would pay to see

Jinsoku Takai CIT Network Technician

To stay on point, I'd wager that Mace would do away w/ Anakin in a relatively short amount of time. Although, I will say that a short amount of time doesn't necessarily translate into an easy victory. Anakin would push the fight at first, then Mace gives himself over to Vaapad, severing Anakin's sword/saber arm (again), thus ending the fight.

Anakin is a great warrior, don't get me wrong. However, he still has a long way to go before he reaches Mace/Yoda status as far as combat prowess goes.

Higilo Member

I would have to change my mind, originally i would think Mace but, in that case some things just don't add up, thinking about quotes and scenes from ROTS, I don't think either side is stronger than the other, and any victory would depend on environmental changes. I understand what i am saying may seem far fetched but to say Mace Windu is definately better seems to one sided, lets not forget Anakin defeated Dooku and claimed he was powerful enough to overthrow Sidious, who we all can agree is better than Windu, if you believe the whole Sidious purposely lost for Anakins favour theory.

The Ground Senior Member

For the 22nd time, Dooku is NOT Mace.

As far as I have seen, you have zero canon. If we go by quotes, then I guess that "Obi-Wan is as wise as Master Yoda and as powerful as Master Windu."
Because Anakin said it does it make it true? Is his word law? NO.
Furthermore, there is no proof that Sidious threw the fight. Give me the quote please.

Mace Windu is more powerful, faster, has a deadlier lightsaber style that Anakin knew he could not keep up with. What does Anakin have? A fighting style that was designed for lightsaber combat and his inner darkness, which is what he used to kill Dooku, which would not work on Mace, but would be made to serve him. This has been stated many, many times. Try to READ the next time.

Higilo Member

Your arguement against mine is weak, quotes from Obi Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu is the subject of my arguement, and aren't Anakin's Force powers stronger (not more sophisticated) than Windu's or have i been mislead, Mace may have skill, but Anakin has brute force, and is naturally gifted as a warrior

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Originally posted by Higilo
Your arguement against mine is weak, quotes from Obi Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu is the subject of my arguement, and aren't Anakin's Force powers stronger (not more sophisticated) than Windu's or have i been mislead, Mace may have skill, but Anakin has brute force, and is naturally gifted as a warrior

Mace ripped an entire Droid Army apart with the Force.
Mace also has Shatterpoint.
Anakin has brute force because of his form Djem So. If he picked Soresu like his Master he wouldn't.
Your saying Mac eisn;t a naturally gifted warrior?
Someone who can punch his opponent in the chest 6 times before his opponent can even notice?

The Ground Senior Member

Where has Anakin displayed any kind of power, be it with the force or with pure strength?

Also, what is your argument? If you seriously labor under the delusion that Anakin can hold his own against Windu, you are mentally hilarious, or just hovering over the border of insanity. What you have presented is that Anakin is stronger physically and with the force, without providing any canon. Mace ripped through super battle droids with his bare hands, and showed us that his telekinesis skill is beyond Yoda's, when he pushed an AT-TE of a cliff with ease. Next, when Anakin witnessed his fight with Sidious, he couldn't track him at all. He was simply too fast.

Another point is you are discounting the loop, which leaves Anakin weak. To touch on the Dooku argument, Dooku was leading them until Skywalker tapped into the dark side. Should he do the same to Mace, his chances won't improve; he will still lose. The loop is what enabled him to defeat Sidious.

mattatom UNSC's finest.

I think his source material is minimal, probably only his memories of the films.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Originally posted by Higilo
Your arguement against mine is weak, quotes from Obi Wan, Yoda and Mace Windu is the subject of my arguement, and aren't Anakin's Force powers stronger (not more sophisticated) than Windu's or have i been mislead, Mace may have skill, but Anakin has brute force, and is naturally gifted as a warrior

Since when is someone that can destroy super battle droids with his bare hands lacking in brute force? Naturally gifted? So is Mace, and he's FAR more experienced than Anakin. Anakin's force powers are NOT stronger!

Red Nemesis The Blind Critic

Mace ripped through super battle droids with his bare hands, and showed us that his telekinesis skill is beyond Yoda's

No and no. Well, maybe and no, to be precise.

It is highly probable that Mace's proficiency with the shatterpoint ability is what allowed him to destroy the droids. Later, in LoE, Mace reflects 'we would need Yoda. Perhaps five Yodas.' (Or some such)

That doesn't mean you're wrong, just that you chose two bad examples (out of like 5). One could even have been fixed simply by not comparing Mace to Yoda. If you set that feat against Anakin then Mace wins more.

But yeah. Mace wins.

The Ground Senior Member

I mentioned this because I was comparing how much Yoda struggled to keep a support beam above 2 jedi, and how easily Mace moved a war machine. Also I attempted to show that Dooku ABC doesn't work because of the above and everything else everyone has posted.

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Mace ripped through super battle droids with his bare hands, and showed us that his telekinesis skill is beyond Yoda's, when he pushed an AT-TE of a cliff with ease.

Wait, are you saying Mace's TK > Yoda's? Wut?

You do realize that in Dark Rendezvouz Yoda pretty much sealed a leak in space using the Force, right? I don't think his actual abilities should be topped with his catching of the crane if you're going to throw out Mace's EU feats. At least compare Yoda's EU abilities if that's the case.

I don't see anything wrong with Mace >>>> Anakin by any margin, but that statement stuck out is clearly silly.

Lightsnake Senior Member

I think the bit where Yoda casually lifts up Mace, throws a blaster bolt out of the way and crushes a guy into a wall with the Force with the same motion should indicate Yoda's superiority to Mace in the force alone.

Luminatus Restricted

Also, what is your argument? If you seriously labor under the delusion that Anakin can hold his own against Windu, you are mentally hilarious, or just hovering over the border of insanity. What you have presented is that Anakin is stronger physically and with the force, without providing any canon. Mace ripped through super battle droids with his bare hands, and showed us that his telekinesis skill is beyond Yoda's, when he pushed an AT-TE of a cliff with ease. Next, when Anakin witnessed his fight with Sidious, he couldn't track him at all. He was simply too fast.

Darth Vader > Confused Lightside Anakin. he Dark side was shown to give a person a powerup very quickly so after fully succumbing to his hatred, Anakin is sttronger than when he rushed in Mace and couldn't see him.

Unless you think Obi-Wan would be unable to see Mace? lol

And with his TK Anakin could have crushed an entire building...by accident.