Originally posted by ares834
Wrong. Anakin has soloed her a couple of times.
Obi Wans Soled her as well. In fact he completely owned her. She ran away from him! HAHA! and she didnt go to save anyone, or decide its not worth the risk... she was just plain out loosing and Ran Away!! Just like she Ran from Mace. It just shows the denial people are in here.
Originally posted by Eminence
You should probably watch the fight before talking out of your ass. Notice how Dooku knocks Anakin to the ground [third time] with a Force-push [second time], then stands back and pulls out his hologram. He taunts and angers Anakin, who then hops up and punches Dooku, who is now holding the hologram in one hand and wielding his lightsaber with the other. He doesn't overpower him, he doesn't beat him through a show of skill.Hell, he doesn't even beat him. Anyone with an ounce of sense would see clearly that Dooku had the upper hand in that duel the entire time.Oh, he takes Force hits all the time. Problem is that they usually end up knocking him on his ass, which is sort of a problem.
Your completely Blind... Dooku culdnt outduel him.. thats why he tried Dun Moch on him. Dooku only had the advantage with the Force thats it!!
He knocked Anakin down twice. Probably didnt bother trying to kill him the second time he knocked him down, as he still had his lightsaber. Because the first time he knocked the lightsaber out of his hand, and yet he still culdnt kill him!!!! Anakin got back to his lightsaber before Dooku could kill him! and was on the floor with his lightsaber and Dooku still culdnt do anything!!! HAHAHA!!
So no wonder he didnt try anything the second time he knocked him down... he knew it was pointless, especially when hes still holding his lightsaber.
Oh and you cant even count. Dooku knocked him down twice, not three times. Anakin Staggered Dooku once and Knocked him down once as well. And that no excuse he was holding the holocron.. No one was forcing him to keep holding it, when the lightsaber duel started again.
Originally posted by Eminence
Again, read. It isn't [b]conclusive proof of mastery, it is a potential indication. Mace, meanwhile, is a confirmed "high-level master" of multiple forms, plus Juyo, plus Vaapad. [/B]
Anakins proof of mastery is there. Your just in Denial. Hes not only masteres it but clearly "Completley" Mastrted it. But you wnt beleive it because the only way you can win this debate is by being in Denial.
Oh and Djem So is better for Sword Duelling than Vapaad. Its more skilled for Duelling. And it will deflect Mace's Vapaad Power attacks back on to him, and then follow it up by some Djem So Power attacks backed by Anakin's ever growing strength. Mace wnt be able to handle it.
and his mastery of multiple forms is impressive, but i dnt see how its going to help him, as hes going to use nothing but Vapaad. Also to Master Djem So, you have to first Perfect the Art of Soresu, because Djem So is like Soresu but deflects attacks back to the opponent, instead of deflecting them randomly. Which Means Mace wnt be able to get past Anakins Defences, just like Dooku culdnt(in duelling), not even in the Clone Wars, and just like ObiWan culdnt(in duelling)
Originally posted by Eminence
Reported for the fanboy remark, because it's the third time you've said it without any substantiation and, surprisingly enough, you're not nearly as entertaining as the usual trolls.
Its the SECOND time weve had this debate, not Third. Again im arguing with someone who cant even count.
And iv given plenty of eveidence, from ROTS novel, the Movie, the Animated movie, and just from general infromation on Djem So.
Its you whose in Denial about Anakins Mastery of Djem So.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIf you feel that Anakin can take Mace, then holy shit, Anakin is up on the scale. He's so far up that his chances of actually defeating Palpatine are real and tangible. But... that's not true.
well if your just talking about "Taking them On" with no chance of actually defeating them.... then Dooku can Take On Yoda, so it would be silly to think Anakin cant even "Take On" Sidious.Or do you really think hed go down in a second Like Agen Kolar??
And we already know Dooku culdnt take Anakin out with the Force as easily as he could Obi-Wan, so we know Anakin has much resistance to Force Attacks than the likes of Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERRight. Because if you're actually trying to kill your opponent, the obvious thing to do is to whip out a hologram and laugh when he's face down in the sand for the third time in under sixty seconds.
Your completely Blind... Dooku culdnt outduel him.. thats why he tried Dun Moch on him.
You must be, like, the greatest fighter on the playground or something. Teach me plz.
Dooku only had the advantage with the Force thats it!!The Force factors into a duel, genius.
He knocked Anakin down twice.Twice with the Force, and then Anakin stumbled to the ground on his knees after having his backpack slashed in half.
Probably didnt bother trying to kill him the second time he knocked him down, as he still had his lightsaber. Because the first time he knocked the lightsaber out of his hand, and yet he still culdnt kill him!!!! Anakin got back to his lightsaber before Dooku could kill him! and was on the floor with his lightsaber and Dooku still culdnt do anything!!! HAHAHA!!Are you high?
So no wonder he didnt try anything the second time he knocked him down... he knew it was pointless, especially when hes still holding his lightsaber.Yeah, it's not like he could've, y'know, used the Force or anything...
Again, you're pretending PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity) doesn't exist.
HAHA ur in denial!1 anikan fanboy1!!
Oh and you cant even count. Dooku knocked him down twice, not three times.Pot, kettle, black. [This version admittedly flows better than mine]
Anakin gets knocked to the ground at 1:15, again at 1:26, and then once more at 2:07. So the first time is at 1:15 (one, the second time is at 1:26 (two), and the third time is at 2:07 (three).
OR
1. 1:15
2. 1:26
3. 2:07
1, 2... 3? OMGRLY?!
HURRAY 4 MATH! [hahha c wut i did dare?!]
Anakin Staggered Dooku onceYeah, how'd that work out?
and Knocked him down once as well.At the end of the battle, when Dooku is goading him on with a hologram in his hand.
And that no excuse he was holding the holocron.. No one was forcing him to keep holding it, when the lightsaber duel started again.So you agree that he didn't need to hold the hologram, which meant when Anakin was lying on the ground he could have done something other than pull it out, right? Like, choke him with the Force, or pull away his lightsaber and electrocute him, or just shove him around for fun? And since we've already seen that Dooku holds the clear advantage in the Force department - which you've admitted to - we know he'd be able to do all of that, so we can conclude that Dooku could easily have killed Anakin had he been trying as hard as he could.
Follow?
Anakins proof of mastery is there.No it isn't.
Your just in Denial. Hes not only masteres it but clearly "Completley" Mastrted it.Why are you quoting something that's never been stated? You realize what a "quote" is, right?
But you wnt beleive it because the only way you can win this debate is by being in Denial.I win this debate every time I post, sometimes multiple times per post. I only repeatedly post because people like you balance out the rampant oppression and make this place fun, so I don't want you to leave.
Yes, in a stunning reversal from yesterday, I now find you mind numbingly entertaining.
Oh and Djem So is better for Sword Duelling than Vapaad.Prove it.
Its more skilled for Duelling.How does a "form" have "skill"?
And it will deflect Mace's Vapaad Power attacks back on to him,That makes no sense.
You're just making shit up as you go, aren't you?
and then follow it up by some Djem So Power attacks backed by Anakin's ever growing strength. Mace wnt be able to handle it.Mace is stronger, faster, smarter, more skilled, and for all relevant intents and purposes, more powerful.
and his mastery of multiple forms is impressive, but i dnt see how its going to help him, as hes going to use nothing but Vapaad.More flat out lying and poorly thought out bullshit.[quote][b]Also to Master Djem So, you have to first Perfect the Art of Soresu, because Djem So is like Soresu but deflects attacks back to the opponent, instead of deflecting them randomly.
Which Means Mace wnt be able to get past Anakins Defences, just like Dooku culdnt(in duelling),I distinctly remember Dooku turning his back on Anakin and kicking him into a wall.
not even in the Clone Wars, and just like ObiWan culdnt(in duelling)Dooku does, Obi-Wan does.
I'd fully expect for you to conveniently ignore the first one, despite the fact that the video's linked in the very post you responded to, but pretending that Obi-Wan never breached Anakin's defenses is a new low for you.
Educate yourself. Ignoring the body hits, as well as the segment of the novel pointing out that at one point, Obi-Wan had Anakin unarmed and at his mercy, the duel ends with Obi-Wan cutting off three of Anakin's limbs at once.
Its the SECOND time weve had this debate, not Third. Again im arguing with someone who cant even count.Third time you've called me a fanboy, directly or otherwise (to my knowledge).
agen im arguing wit some1 hoo kant evuhn reeed Or kownt
And iv given plenty of eveidence, from ROTS novel, the Movie, the Animated movie, and just from general infromation on Djem So.Your "general infromation" = complete bullshit.
Its you whose in Denial about Anakins Mastery of Djem So.I'm not familiar with Djem So according to DARTH POWER.
I'm going to start picking on your spelling and grammar next post. There's a veritable goldmine there.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERGood God, are you high? "Deflect Vaapad?" What the f*ck?
Oh and Djem So is better for Sword Duelling than Vapaad. Its more skilled for Duelling. And it will deflect Mace's Vapaad Power attacks back on to him, and then follow it up by some Djem So Power attacks backed by Anakin's ever growing strength. Mace wnt be able to handle it.and his mastery of multiple forms is impressive, but i dnt see how its going to help him, as hes going to use nothing but Vapaad. Also to Master Djem So, you have to first Perfect the Art of Soresu, because Djem So is like Soresu but deflects attacks back to the opponent, instead of deflecting them randomly.
And are you saying that Djem So is a defensive form like Soresu? Or are you saying that Anakin's knowledge of Soresu will serve him well in a fight? Because if it's the latter, then why do you think Mace's intricate mastery of ALL the forms wouldn't serve him well?
Originally posted by Eminence
No. [b]OT Vader is 80% as powerful as OT Palpatine. I don't understand why people can't make the distinction. Or why they say someone is [a fraction of] a person.You also managed to pack three ABC arguments into one post. Nice. [/B]
So an ABC argument is invalid?
Hypocrite!
My point still stands, Mace wins.
He's refusing to distinguish between ABC arguments (notice the strawman that all ABC arguments are invalid simply because his was) and by doing so he lumps any of yours that did work into the realm of faulty logic. As you certainly have constructed effective ABC comparisons and we are no longer recognizing that the transitive and substitutional properties apply to characters' characteristics (speed etc.) he makes you a hypocrite.
It isn't logical but he doesn't have to be- the audience here is all that matters- the unseen pastwatchers and archivists that have lost the art of reason and will notice that 'lulz eminence did something wrong'.
Originally posted by Red NemesisThe audience will then be swiftly and ruthlessly whipped into shape.
It isn't logical but he doesn't have to be- the audience here is all that matters- the unseen pastwatchers and archivists that have lost the art of reason and will notice that 'lulz eminence did something wrong'.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If you feel that Anakin can take Mace, then holy shit, Anakin is up on the scale. He's so far up that his chances of actually defeating Palpatine are real and tangible. But... that's not true.
Yes i feel like the guy who completely overpowered Count Dooku is easily in the same league as Mace. Unless your claiming Count Dooku is no where near Mace's league, then I can understand why you wuldnt think Anakin would even hav a chance against Mace.
And no being as Powerful as Mace doesnt mean you can take down Palpatine, because only Vapaad can form a Superconducting loop to temporarly put the user in the same league as someone like Palpatine. This is where ABC doesnt work. However the ABC logic does work with Anakin, Dooku and Mace in the sense that Anakin must at least be as Powerful as Mace(whether he beats him in a fight or not).
Originally posted by Eminence
Right. Because if you're actually trying to kill your opponent, the obvious thing to do is to whip out a hologram and laugh when he's face down in the sand for the third time in under sixty seconds.
Well the previous portions of the fight suggest that even if Dooku did try to kill anakin at that point, he probably culdnt considering Anakin was lying on the floor and Dooku still culdnt kill him. As long as Anakin has his Saber hes still in the picture. And the animated movie made it clear even as of the Clone Wars Anakin was a match for Dooku in Sabers at least.
Which means even as of the clone wars Anakin was most probably already the 3rd Most Powerful Jedi after Yoda and Mace. Then by ROTS he was even more powerful.
Originally posted by Eminence
The Force factors into a duel, genius.
Well it didnt stop Anakin even in the animated movie. and in ROTS novel when Anakin had let himself loose Dooku "used all the power of the darkside" to throw a piece of a durasteel table at him but Anakin simply "Smashed it aside".. There was simply no stopping him at that point.
Originally posted by EminenceHow does a "form" have "skill"?
Djem So is not a specific form itself. It is a variant of Form 5. A variant specifically adapted for duelling. Vapaad is deadly, but no where is it said to be best specifically for saber to saber duels.
Originally posted by Eminence
Mace is stronger, faster, smarter, more skilled, and for all relevant intents and purposes, more powerful.
Mace is not proven to be better at any of those things than the person who is said to be Possibly the Most Poweful, the Fastest and the Strongest Jedi of Any Generation. Mace himself argues Anakin is arguably the most powerful jedi alive as of ROTS.
And hes certainly not Stronger than the guy who completely Overpowered Count Dooku, and the guy who gets Stronger and Stronger as the fight goes on.
Originally posted by Eminence
More flat out lying and poorly thought out bullshit.
Well wookipedia says Form 5 was created by Masters of Soresu, who felt a more offensive strategy was needed to actually win a fight.
and the darkjedibrotherhood site says you have to perfect soresu before mastering djem so due to the nature of form 5 being a continuation of soresu. and ALL sites say Anakin had Mastered both aspects of Form 5, Shien and Djem So. Your gna say its not cannon but where did you get you have to be "a master of multiple forms" to master form 7, because i can only find that on sites like wookipedia.
also Vader was learning Juyo by RODV. So he must have been a master of multiple forms by then as well. So its quite clear he must of at Least Mastered his Own form by ROTS, as RODV does not take place long after ROTS.
Originally posted by Eminence
I distinctly remember Dooku turning his back on Anakin and kicking him into a wall.Dooku does, Obi-Wan does.
I'd fully expect for you to conveniently ignore the first one, despite the fact that the video's linked in the very post you responded to, but pretending that Obi-Wan never breached Anakin's defenses is a new low for you.
They dnt get past his saber defences. Kicking is something different. Otherwise your claiming Obiwans soresu defences were breached several times by Anakin when he kept kicking him, and by Dooku when he foprce choked him???
Anakins proved several times Kicking and Force pushing him doesnt stop him. And for GOD's sakes Obiwas didnt outduel Anakin. He tactically outsmarted a guy whos head was in a complete mess.
Originally posted by Eminence
Educate yourself. Ignoring the body hits, as well as the segment of the novel pointing out that at one point, Obi-Wan had Anakin unarmed and at his mercy, the duel ends with Obi-Wan cutting off three of Anakin's limbs at once.
Obi Wan had him at his mercy when he did a tirck on his mechanical arm. Thats hardly the defintion of outdueling someone. Oh and just before that Anakin force pushed Kenobi and had him completely winded(the novel suggests Anakin was better with the force than Obiwan).
Originally posted by Eminence
Your "general infromation" = complete bullshit.I'm not familiar with Djem So according to DARTH POWER.
Youve probably not read much on Djem So. Its lethal in sword fighting.
If you have the Physical Strength to use it, then its probably the best duelling form to use, even better than Makashi. Thats why of all the forms Kasim advised Bane to use Djem So as he had the Strngth and Power to make the most of it.
Originally posted by Eminence
I'm going to start picking on your spelling and grammar next post. There's a veritable goldmine there.
Not bothered. Whatever gives you a buzz.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Good God, are you high? "Deflect Vaapad?" What the f*ck?And are you saying that Djem So is a defensive form like Soresu? Or are you saying that Anakin's knowledge of Soresu will serve him well in a fight? Because if it's the latter, then why do you think Mace's intricate mastery of ALL the forms wouldn't serve him well?
Form 5 was formed by Soresu masters as a continuation of the soresu, but with and emphasis of attacking back. It was seen not to be practile to wait for an openiong to attack.
Soresu deflects away randomly whilst Form 5 deflects the attack back at the Opponent, and Djem So after doing this and throwing the opponent off balance, continues to leash out powerful attacks to completely dominate the opponent. Theres nothing that suggests this wuldnt work on Vapaad.
As for Mace's multiple forms, are you suggesting hes going to slip in and out of vapaad? because if he does hes going to lose any speed or power advantage he may have.
also whatever form he uses, Soresu is the Best for defence, and Djem So the best for Deflecting Maces attack back at him.