Originally posted by quanchi112facepalm
Thanos since his upgrade is greater than Odin imo.
Originally posted by MekrobNo, I don't agree. Had Thanos never made use of the Stone of Illumination's power against Thor, I would agree. But he did. And he did to such an extent, that he pretty much destroyed a good portion of Thor's amp as well.
I realize that. Thor managed to get close to him while Thanos was trying to destroy the universe, and hitting him with energy with iirc his other hand, or eyes.However, he only managed to defeat Thanos via Resident Evil glaring weakness. If the dangle wasn't there, Thor would have never won that fight.
Which is the PIS at its best, no?
Compare this fight and Captain Marvel's fight against Thanos with the Cosmic Cube. The Cosmic Cube was just lying there on the roof and after getting batted around by CC-Thanos' power, Captain Marvel happened to find himself next to it and destroyed it. This is very similar to when Nebula stole the IG. It was just lying there. Sure, Nebula got her butt handed to her by the IG's power all throughout, but in that instant, IG-Thanos simply did not apply his power against Nebula to protect it. I think these situations are what you are considering.
The distinction I find between this fight and those instances is that Thor didn't happen to find himself next to the Stone of Illumination, completely unprotected. He had to wade directly through SoI-Thanos's attacks which were amped in order to reach the Stone of Illumination. Both Captain Marvel and Nebula happened to find themselves next to Thanos' source of power. Thor had to fight his way to Thanos' source of power, while Thanos was using it against him. Thoughts?
^^^^^ Yes but your still using a clone of thanos with an amp and his attention diverted against classic Thor with an amp. That to me says nothing about how this fight would go.
Now Rage... I honestly don't think you owned Quan in the least. I don't agree that Thanos beats Odin either. I think it's a close fight with Odin maybe taking the slight majority. However, your arguments are really suspect...
Your using collateral damage as your basis to how much power Odin was using. That is such faulty logic it's not even funny. Odin clearly stated he was going to kill thanos... He was invading Asgard and had his some held captive. It's quite clear he was out for the kill and to put thanos down. So, to say then he was holding back.. show me proof of him holding back. Show me where it says this or even implies this? You can't and thus your argument holds no water. Your basing your argument of how other writers protray odin and write fights and you think that is a sound argument... Its not.
Then your tying to say Gungir offers no added power to Odin... Again that goes against logic and reason. Clearly, it offers him some benefit or why else would he bring it out. It clearly makes his attack more powerful and that is evidenced by him gaining the advantage on Thanos when he brought it out. It's clear it was brought out for a reason not just for show like your trying to imply. So, again I actually think you got owned in this argument with your horrible logic. I think Quan goes overboard in his thanos love and is bias. however, some of the things you stated which I referenced are just as bad.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThanos' attention was not diverted. He was looking at Thor. He was blasting Thor. He was talking to Thor. How is his attention diverted? And unless you think a Stone of Illumination and Chalice of Tears enhanced-Thanos clone is far weaker than current Thanos or that Odinforce Thor is far weaker than Odin-armored + Belt of Strength classic Thor, then there is value in extrapolating from that fight.
^^^^^ Yes but your still using a clone of thanos with an amp and his attention diverted against classic Thor with an amp. That to me says nothing about how this fight would go.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thanos' attention was not diverted. He was looking at Thor. He was blasting Thor. He was talking to Thor. How is his attention diverted? And unless you think a Stone of Illumination and Chalice of Tears enhanced-Thanos clone is far weaker than current Thanos or that Odinforce Thor is far weaker than Odin-armored + Belt of Strength classic Thor, then there is value in extrapolating from that fight.
Hey One,
I pretty much agree with most of what you said in your post but that has always been the case. I think you can extrapolate exactly what you have but that still isn't a good measuring bar for how current thor does against current thanos. I'm sure you would agree with this. Those amps can't be quantified in a way that would let us know how it strong it made them compared to their current versions. Thor as you say has been upgraded and thanos has been upgraded and both are really still hard to define. It stands to reason both are more powerful and I would even venture that maybe Thor got a bigger upgrade. However, can you say whether a Thanos clone would be able to use the amps it had like regular Thanos would? Nobody can say one way or another but it's logical to think and what has been said about that clone from Thanos's own mouth that the clone was certainly inferior to Thanos. Thus, trying to gather and quantify information from that fight and compare it to current versions is a tough thing imo. I see what your saying I just don't think you can gather very much with how much the variables are different.
On another note One, what do you think of the arguments between Quan and Rage? Do you feel like Rage does that... 1. Odin wasn't out for the kill or trying hard? 2. Basing this on the lack of collateral damage? 3. Gungir doesn't increase Odin's attack at all and is more for show then go?
I think it was pretty clear that Odin never used his full power. He was ready to fight on and without a scratch on him. He also didn't need the Odinsleep afterwards. So, I don't believe Thanos pushed Odin to the brink or anything, but that Odin was greatly surprised that he hadn't been put down yet, and was reluctant to release his full power (because of being unavailable afterwards.)
Most recent Thanos shown vs. Odin in a rematch would be a very good fight, IMO.
Originally posted by Enyalus
I think it was pretty clear that Odin never used his full power. He was ready to fight on and without a scratch on him. He also didn't need the Odinsleep afterwards. So, I don't believe Thanos pushed Odin to the brink or anything, but that Odin was greatly surprised that he hadn't been put down yet, and was reluctant to release his full power (because of being unavailable afterwards.)Most recent Thanos shown vs. Odin in a rematch would be a very good fight, IMO.
I never said he used his full power. However, he clearly was out for the kill and ever said so. He also had reason to be pissed in that asgard was being invaded and his son was held captive. So, to say he wasn't excerting himself to me contradicts what was shown on panel. I agree he wasn't putting everything he had into the fight cool. However, when he pulls out his special weapon to get the job done clearly he's trying to put away or kill his opponent.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOk, here goes. I want you to take a look at some scans for me.
Are you blind?I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that based on how Odin is portrayed at times, on his overall feats of power, and based on these boards rules, Odin caves Thanos' head in.
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm reading the issue as we speak, and it's obviously not Odin at his best etc. and like his other stories he is at times portrayed to hold back etc. It's just common sense.
Did we read the same fight?
After the initial attack, Odin even while using his hands sent Thanos rocking etc. Gungnir only channels his power. Nothing more.
I know collateral damage is not the definition of power output in all cases but the sheer difference of power is obvious and when the gap is that big, it obviously says something. Christ.....
Odin should have done better against the Celestials.
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I never said that.....
You know what, lets agree to disagree. I'm obviously not getting through to you.
Here is the Sentry battling Genis. It says in the scan that their was enough power being released to shred entire worlds.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewThunderbolts014page14-1.jpg
Here is a little bit later where Sentry clearly stated he was even holding back.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/NewThunderbolts014page18-1.jpg
Now here is the Sentry clearly using more power than he ever has been against the WW Hulk.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/wwh016-1.jpg
Wow, even though the energy is clearly all over the place the city remains intact. Hmmmm. One writer had the Sentry while holding back using enough energy to shred an entire world while another writer had him go all out and yet the city remained. Do we ignore the writer's intent despite the lack of collateral damage.
According to you this would mean he exerted less power.
Now, let's take a look at Odin.
Here is Odin in the destroyer armor up against his greatest threat the Celestials.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_300-27.jpg
Now let's take a look at his fight against Seth.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Journey_Into_Mystery_513_05.jpg
Hmmmmm. He was affecting the entire multiverse against Seth while he wasn't even at full power and his memory was still hazy. Against the Celestials he got his ass handed to him and a galaxy wasn't even destroyed.
Two different writers with two different situations. Do we suggest that Odin used more power against Seth than against the Celestials. Sure, if you want to say f--- you to common sense and the writer's intent.
We know it's clear that the Celestials are much more powerful than Odin and despite the lack of destruction that Odin was going all out.
Odin was going all out against Thanos despite the lack of destruction as well. Everything I said was spot on.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Thanos' power has increased since their first battle. I still don't understand why you are comparing a clone to the real Thanos.
facepalmNo, I don't agree. Had Thanos never made use of the Stone of Illumination's power against Thor, I would agree. But he did. And he did to such an extent, that he pretty much destroyed a good portion of Thor's amp as well.Compare this fight and Captain Marvel's fight against Thanos with the Cosmic Cube. The Cosmic Cube was just lying there on the roof and after getting batted around by CC-Thanos' power, Captain Marvel happened to find himself next to it and destroyed it. This is very similar to when Nebula stole the IG. It was just lying there. Sure, Nebula got her butt handed to her by the IG's power all throughout, but in that instant, IG-Thanos simply did not apply his power against Nebula to protect it. I think these situations are what you are considering.
The distinction I find between this fight and those instances is that Thor didn't happen to find himself next to the Stone of Illumination, completely unprotected. He had to wade directly through SoI-Thanos's attacks which were amped in order to reach the Stone of Illumination. Both Captain Marvel and Nebula happened to find themselves next to Thanos' source of power. Thor had to fight his way to Thanos' source of power, while Thanos was using it against him. Thoughts?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin was going all out against Thanos despite the lack of destruction as well. Everything I said was spot on.
Odin was not going all out against Thanos. Like I've told you before, we've actually seen him do far more impressive things than just a few simple blasts. Plus, he wasn't exhausted in the least bit like he has been against more powerful enemies.
Originally posted by celestialdemonRead the above post, brah. It's covered. The situation, Odin's respect for Thanos, the love of his son, and Odin outright admitting he wants to kill Thanos is proof of this.
Odin was not going all out against Thanos. Like I've told you before, we've actually seen him do far more impressive things than just a few simple blasts. Plus, he wasn't exhausted in the least bit like he has been against more powerful enemies.
You have no proof whatsover. Oh and if it's because of the lack of destruction read my response to rage where I slaughter that horrible line of reasoning.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Odin was not going all out against Thanos. Like I've told you before, we've actually seen him do far more impressive things than just a few simple blasts. Plus, he wasn't exhausted in the least bit like he has been against more powerful enemies.
I agree, there was nothing in the book that stated or implied Odin was "going all out".
Originally posted by quanchi112
Read the above post, brah. It's covered. The situation, Odin's respect for Thanos, the love of his son, and Odin outright admitting he wants to kill Thanos is proof of this.You have no proof whatsover. Oh and if it's because of the lack of destruction read my response to rage where I slaughter that horrible line of reasoning.
You didn't cover anything special. You covered collateral damage. I'm talking about Odin's attacks themselves. Odin has done far more than what he showed against Thanos. That is fact. And as what has been shown before, whenever Odin does go all out, he tires and needs to sleep. He didn't look the least bit fazed after his fight with Thanos.
Originally posted by iceman24567I just wanted to point out the facts. What we know is that Odin wanted Thanos did and he didn't do it and had more than enough time to do so.
We all are speculating 😐
Originally posted by celestialdemonSentry's attacks have been far more powerful than when against WW Hulk yet the writer actually told us he went all out. I guess you didn't read my post afterall.
You didn't cover anything special. You covered collateral damage. I'm talking about Odin's attacks themselves. Odin has done far more than what he showed against Thanos. That is fact. And as what has been shown before, whenever Odin does go all out, he tires and needs to sleep. He didn't look the least bit fazed after his fight with Thanos.
The fight wasn't over so had it continued who are you to say he wouldn't have needed to sleep after it actually concluded. Odin complimented Thanos and said it's been eons since he has battled with as worthy a foe as Thanos.
Most of the posters want to dismiss Odin's words and the situation because they can't handle Thanos being on his level.
