Thor vs Thanos

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Very simple. Thanos couldn't harm Odin in the slightest. He didn't even make him budge. Thanos was able to knock Tyrant back several times.

Prep doesn't matter when comparing their personal powers. Fact is Thanos blasted Odin to no effect. Thanos hit Tyrant and knocked him back.

Preparing yourself to take on an opponent certainly does as opposed to just happening to be at odds with that person.

Tyrant caused Thanos to leave while Odin failed to get him to submit. Tyrant also destroyed his clothing. Tyrant also affected him without having to pull a weapon out like Odin did. Tyrant used less attacks and no concentrated energy blasts.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos prepped for Tyrant and used an orb. Thanos didn't prep for Odin and had no weapon. It just sort of happened.

Preparing yourself to take on an opponent certainly does as opposed to just happening to be at odds with that person.

Hey Quan, see what you think of this line of reasoning...tell me what you think:

Originally posted by Enyalus
As usual, Kris was probably initially correct with the quoted statement. I went back through some things, and found a lot of strong evidence to support that not only did the orb not contain Morg's Power Cosmic (as CelestialDemon pointed out), but it didn't contain any power whatsoever besides knowledge. Evidence for this is pretty conclusive. First off, the event of Thanos stealing Tyrant's orb is mentioned here:

Tyrant clearly has a lot of them...which Jakar and a few others steal. Take a look, because it seems like the same type of orb that Thanos stole:

That being said...its explicitly referred to as a 'globe of knowledge' by multiple people. Nothing regarding a power amp is mentioned:

And this interpretation fits in perfectly with what Thanos says afterwards when he's studying his own orb which he stole from Tyrant:

"I sought knowledge...because in knowledge there is power. From that knowledge arose a goal. And I have conquered that goal. Now I probe the spoils of my struggle...attempting to learn its secrets and gain more knowledge."

So...a reasonable argument could be made that Thanos took on Tyrant with his base power. And I think a lot of the textual evidence supports it.

^ Just realized I screwed the linkage up on the above post, and can't edit it now.

Corrected:

Originally posted by Enyalus
As usual, Kris was probably initially correct with the quoted statement. I went back through some things, and found a lot of strong evidence to support that not only did the orb not contain Morg's Power Cosmic (as CelestialDemon pointed out), but it didn't contain any power whatsoever besides knowledge. Evidence for this is pretty conclusive. First off, the event of Thanos stealing Tyrant's orb is mentioned here:

Tyrant clearly has a lot of them...which Jakar and a few others steal. Take a look, because it seems like the same type of orb that Thanos stole:

That being said...its explicitly referred to as a 'globe of knowledge' by multiple people. Nothing regarding a power amp is mentioned:

And this interpretation fits in perfectly with what Thanos says afterwards when he's studying his own orb which he stole from Tyrant:

"I sought knowledge...because in knowledge there is power. From that knowledge arose a goal. And I have conquered that goal. Now I probe the spoils of my struggle...attempting to learn its secrets and gain more knowledge."

So...a reasonable argument could be made that Thanos took on Tyrant with his base power. And I think a lot of the textual evidence supports it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Assuming he held back is just the same.

Not as much of an assumption, because we've actually seen Odin do a lot more in a fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does spiderman and firelord have to do with Thanos and Odin? I mean seriously.

You claimed we can't ignore character matchups when they meet in comics. So, we can't ignore this fight either, right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I did. In the first scan Odin already admits he was shocked that Thanos was still breathing meaning he was out to kill him. Thanos was fine also at that point. Odin severely underestimated, but didn't at the end of the day. Nicely done.

Again, the fact that he is surprised Thanos is still alive is more a testament to Thanos' durability rather than the amount of power Odin released. He released what he thought was enough, which was enough to one-shot SS and Drax, whom by the way didn't die either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, this shows how wrong Odin was again. Nicely done.

Which has nothing to do with his power level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin already thought he killed Thanos. Nice job trying to ignore that. I mean in one of your own scans he was shocked Thanos was still breathing. Keep ignoring his words I am used to it by now.

That was at the very beginning of the fight. And your own words said Odin told Thanos about it being eons since fighting someone like him BEFORE he thought he was dead. I just proved you were lying. 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin didn't physically affect Thanos until he pulled gungir out. Both were posturing and claiming superiority over the other.

Wrong again (what a surprise).

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, but blasts usually are what Galactus employs in a battle. That didn't work so he tried another method. That didn't work either. Take into consideration the fact that Tyrant took his herald from him. Not many beings can punk Galactus the way Tyrant did. I mean come on. Galactus would never back down from Odin imo.

What was the other method? Grabbing Tyrant's cables? 🙄

Tyrant didn't punk Galactus. They BOTH agreed not to fight each other at that time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant won the fight. 😂

By reversing Galactus' tech. He was useless before then.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was losing, but the fight wasn't over. Everything I said was spot on.

You make it sound like Thanos was actually holding his own equally in the fight, when in truth, he was completely outclassed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ps. Thanos knocked Tyrant around with an orb that wasn't present against Odin. Tyrant was fine too by the way.

And how much power did that orb have in it? You still have yet to answer that question.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos prepped for Tyrant and used an orb. Thanos didn't prep for Odin and had no weapon. It just sort of happened.

An orb with an unknown amount of power, if any power at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Preparing yourself to take on an opponent certainly does as opposed to just happening to be at odds with that person.

It affects your strategy on how to handle the opponent. It doesn't affect how much your blasts hurt your opponent.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant caused Thanos to leave while Odin failed to get him to submit. Tyrant also destroyed his clothing. Tyrant also affected him without having to pull a weapon out like Odin did. Tyrant used less attacks and no concentrated energy blasts.

Tyrant didn't cause Thanos to leave. Thanos left of his own volition after setting out to do what he wanted to do. To Thanos, he won, not Tyrant.

Odin affected Thanos before he pulled out Gungnir, also.

No concentrated energy blasts? 😮

His clothing? Oh no! That convinced me.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Not as much of an assumption, because we've actually seen Odin do a lot more in a fight.

You claimed we can't ignore character matchups when they meet in comics. So, we can't ignore this fight either, right?

Again, the fact that he is surprised Thanos is still alive is more a testament to Thanos' durability rather than the amount of power Odin released. He released what he thought was enough, which was enough to one-shot SS and Drax, whom by the way didn't die either.

Which has nothing to do with his power level.

That was at the very beginning of the fight. And your own words said Odin told Thanos about it being eons since fighting someone like him BEFORE he thought he was dead. I just proved you were lying. 😆

Wrong again (what a surprise).

What was the other method? Grabbing Tyrant's cables? 🙄

Tyrant didn't punk Galactus. They BOTH agreed not to fight each other at that time.

By reversing Galactus' tech. He was useless before then.

You make it sound like Thanos was actually holding his own equally in the fight, when in truth, he was completely outclassed.

And how much power did that orb have in it? You still have yet to answer that question.

There are exceptions. Spiderman and Firelord isn't the same as Thanos and Odin. Both are easily above top tier.

The first blast from Odin didn't even make Thanos budge. Odin also didn't pull out gungir against Surfer or Drax. He also didn't salute them. He was trying to kill Thanos not the others.

How doesn't it?

Huh? Odin mistakenly thought he killed Thanos. There is nothing to lie about. All plain as day in the comic.

Yes, Thanos took the blasts and barely moved. There was no physical damage until he pulled out gungir. Hint hint. There is a reason he didn't continue blasting.

Tyrant took the one herald Galactus wanted. Galactus got punked. You can deny it because of your hatred of Tyrant, but that doesn't change that Tyrant punked him and took Morg away.

No, Galactus was useless before then. His one blast powered up Tyrant. Reread the fight please.

Thanos wasn't completely outclassed and Odin's words back me up. Thanos wouldn't have risked death in order to save Thor.

Doesn't matter. Thanos didn't knock Tyrant around without the orb. The orb wasn't present in the Odin fight.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
An orb with an unknown amount of power, if any power at all.

It affects your strategy on how to handle the opponent. It doesn't affect how much your blasts hurt your opponent.

Tyrant didn't cause Thanos to leave. Thanos left of his own volition after setting out to do what he wanted to do. To Thanos, he won, not Tyrant.

Odin affected Thanos before he pulled out Gungnir, also.

No concentrated energy blasts? 😮

His clothing? Oh no! That convinced me.

Thanos didn't take Tyrant on without the orb. He wasn't just blasting Tyrant like he did against Odin.

Thanos didn't object to Tyrant killing him while he did object to Odin's superiority. Odin praised him while Tyrant did not.

No, he really didn't physically affect him. He might have moved but he really showed no visible damage until gungir entered the battle.

Yes, Odin blasted Thanos at a distance while Thanos ran through it. That was a long concentrated blast. Tyrant also manhandled Thanos while Odin physically did not.

Thanos left the fight meaning he lost against Tyrant while he didn't back down from Odin meaning it ended with no winner.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have also seen Odin do a lot more than say in the Celestials fight. That's why your logic is flawed. It's very selective.

Yet, we've seen the Celestials feared by beings that are far above Odin. And they were called upon with the abstracts to fight Thanos w/IG. Pretty good indicator that they are way above Odin's level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There are exceptions. Spiderman and Firelord isn't the same as Thanos and Odin. Both are easily above top tier.

My point is the reason we know Spiderman vs Firelord is crap is because of what each one have done outside of this battle. Same thing with this fight. Thanos has never shown to be even close to Odin's level until this fight. So, taking their other showings into account, this should have been a stomp for Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The first blast from Odin didn't even make Thanos budge. Odin also didn't pull out gungir against Surfer or Drax. He also didn't salute them. He was trying to kill Thanos not the others.

He didn't salute them because they went down in one shot. Thanos didn't. I've already said that. What I said was the only time Odin thought Thanos was dead was at the beginning. At the end of the fight, he knew Thanos wasn't dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How doesn't it?

Are you honestly trying to say Odin mistakenly thinking Thanos was dead is a respesentation of Odin's power? 😆

Originally posted by quanchi112
Huh? Odin mistakenly thought he killed Thanos. There is nothing to lie about. All plain as day in the comic.

😆 Don't backtrack now. Here are your exact words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, wrong again. He didn't think Thanos to be weak he called him the greatest opponent he had faced in eons ages prior to him realizing he survived. Keep ignoring Odin's words as it's actually humorous to me now.

See that? You said PRIOR to him realizing he survived. I just proved with scans that you lied.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Thanos took the blasts and barely moved. There was no physical damage until he pulled out gungir. Hint hint. There is a reason he didn't continue blasting.

Why would Odin continue blasting if Thanos was getting knocked back with single blasts?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant took the one herald Galactus wanted. Galactus got punked. You can deny it because of your hatred of Tyrant, but that doesn't change that Tyrant punked him and took Morg away.

Oh please. Tyrant is my 4th favorite cosmic behind Thanos, Warlock, and Genis-Vell. You should probably re-read the comic without putting your own personal bias in it. Galactus wanted the captives released. Tyrant wanted to keep them. Neither one of them wanted to get into a fight about it. So Tyrant agreed to release them all except for Morg. That's what happened sans the bias.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Galactus was useless before then. His one blast powered up Tyrant. Reread the fight please.

I have several times. Unlike you, I can read it without drooling over my favorite character.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos wasn't completely outclassed and Odin's words back me up. Thanos wouldn't have risked death in order to save Thor.

Wait. Are you actually trying to say that Thanos, whom has worshipped Death all his life, is actually scared to die?

It's not in Thanos' nature to help Thor at all, yet there he was doing it. He even stated himself that he was serving the greater good but hated doing it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't matter. Thanos didn't knock Tyrant around without the orb. The orb wasn't present in the Odin fight.

So, an orb with possibly no power other than knowledge somehow mysteriously increased Thanos' physical might enough to harm Tyrant? 😘

Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't matter. An unknown variable that was used in one fight and not in another.

Thanos didn't take Tyrant on without the orb. He wasn't just blasting Tyrant like he did against Odin.

An orb that quite possible had no power in it at all.

Why would Thanos just blast Odin instead of trying to punch him like he did with Tyrant? More, importantly, why would that even matter?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos didn't object to Tyrant killing him while he did object to Odin's superiority. Odin praised him while Tyrant did not.

You actually expect Tyrant to praise someone?

Thanos didn't object to Tyrant, because he was being smug with him. He told Tyrant right afterwards that given the opportunity Tyrant probably could kill him, but he won anyway since he accomplished his goal, That's clearly pissed Tyrant off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he really didn't physically affect him. He might have moved but he really showed no visible damage until gungir entered the battle.

Thanos also showed no physical damage after the Tyrant fight. Only his clothes were torn. Thanos was still smiling just fine.

Odin was able to knock Thanos back with a casual backhand blast and Thanos couldn't budge Odin when Odin wasn't even fully paying attention to him. That's a big difference in power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Odin blasted Thanos at a distance while Thanos ran through it. That was a long concentrated blast. Tyrant also manhandled Thanos while Odin physically did not.

So what? Maybe because Tyrant is physically stronger than Odin, or it was easier to manhandle him since Tyrant is so much taller, or just because Tyrant is more ruthless. Whatever the reason, it doesn't mean Tyrant is more powerful overall than Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos left the fight meaning he lost against Tyrant while he didn't back down from Odin meaning it ended with no winner.

Read the comic. Thanos specifically states that he won the encounter, not Tyrant.

Upgraded Thanos would not beat Odin. Nuff said. 😐

Good fight, undecided.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Upgraded Thanos would not beat Odin. Nuff said. 😐

^ facepalm

^ 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ facepalm

Also before Thanos fought Odin, he had to fight through numbers of asgardians and prior to that he had just gone at it with PG Thor, whilst Odin was fresh for the fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Upgraded Thanos would not beat Odin. Nuff said. 😐

Originally posted by Badabing
1. Thor

2. Thor

Quoting Bada = Auto Fail.

😛

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Yet, we've seen the Celestials feared by beings that are far above Odin. And they were called upon with the abstracts to fight Thanos w/IG. Pretty good indicator that they are way above Odin's level.

My point is the reason we know Spiderman vs Firelord is crap is because of what each one have done outside of this battle. Same thing with this fight. Thanos has never shown to be even close to Odin's level until this fight. So, taking their other showings into account, this should have been a stomp for Odin.

He didn't salute them because they went down in one shot. Thanos didn't. I've already said that. What I said was the only time Odin thought Thanos was dead was at the beginning. At the end of the fight, he knew Thanos wasn't dead.

Are you honestly trying to say Odin mistakenly thinking Thanos was dead is a respesentation of Odin's power? 😆

😆 Don't backtrack now. Here are your exact words.

See that? You said PRIOR to him realizing he survived. I just proved with scans that you lied.

Why would Odin continue blasting if Thanos was getting knocked back with single blasts?

Oh please. Tyrant is my 4th favorite cosmic behind Thanos, Warlock, and Genis-Vell. You should probably re-read the comic without putting your own personal bias in it. Galactus wanted the captives released. Tyrant wanted to keep them. Neither one of them wanted to get into a fight about it. So Tyrant agreed to release them all except for Morg. That's what happened sans the bias.

I have several times. Unlike you, I can read it without drooling over my favorite character.

Wait. Are you actually trying to say that Thanos, whom has worshipped Death all his life, is actually scared to die?

It's not in Thanos' nature to help Thor at all, yet there he was doing it. He even stated himself that he was serving the greater good but hated doing it.

So, an orb with possibly no power other than knowledge somehow mysteriously increased Thanos' physical might enough to harm Tyrant? 😘

In the very comic warlock says Thanos' upper limit has never been tested. It's right in the friggin comic when someone else states that maybe Thanos isn't near Odin's power level. It was in one of the scans you posted.

Yes, Odin saluted Thanos because he was a great opponent. One he didn't even beat so this superiority crap is just that, crap.

No, I am saying that it's a testament of Thanos and his power level. He is clearly on Odin's level and the fight proved it.

Meh. He thought he was defeated/ killed.

I didn't lie.

Odin wasn't really damaging Thanos. The blasts were having minimal effect.

Galactus wanted Morg. Tyrant then said you can have them all except the one you want. He took what Galactus wanted and he did nothing about it. That's called punking someone, son.

I am saying Thanos avoids death. He avoided it against Galactus in his own series. He told Galactus to stay his hand. One more blast would have killed him. Not so against Odin though I am afraid. Common sense says Thanos won't just let himself be killed. LOL.

Thanos was still there aiding them. It wasn't a personal goal or anything.

Pay attention. The orb was the variable not present for the Odin fight. We don't know either way but he still used something against Tyrant that he didn't use against Odin.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
An orb that quite possible had no power in it at all.

Why would Thanos just blast Odin instead of trying to punch him like he did with Tyrant? More, importantly, why would that even matter?

You actually expect Tyrant to praise someone?

Thanos didn't object to Tyrant, because he was being smug with him. He told Tyrant right afterwards that given the opportunity Tyrant probably could kill him, but he won anyway since he accomplished his goal, That's clearly pissed Tyrant off.

Thanos also showed no physical damage after the Tyrant fight. Only his clothes were torn. Thanos was still smiling just fine.

Odin was able to knock Thanos back with a casual backhand blast and Thanos couldn't budge Odin when Odin wasn't even fully paying attention to him. That's a big difference in power.

So what? Maybe because Tyrant is physically stronger than Odin, or it was easier to manhandle him since Tyrant is so much taller, or just because Tyrant is more ruthless. Whatever the reason, it doesn't mean Tyrant is more powerful overall than Odin.

Read the comic. Thanos specifically states that he won the encounter, not Tyrant.

The point is Thanos didn't try punching Tyrant either. He used the orb which wasn't present in the Odin fight.

Thanos' clothes were completely destroyed in less time. Thanos didn't laugh off any blows from tyrant like he did against Odin either.

No, because Thanos didn't have the orb against Odin. Tyrant also picked Thanos up and manhandled him. Thanos was running through blasts fighting for control of gungir. Tyrant is more powerful than Odin. It's plain as day.

No, Thanos agreed with tyrant. If Tyrant had the chance he would probably kill Thanos. Thanos withstood him until that point and considered that a victory in and of itself.

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