Griffin versus Nightcrawler.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
NC's true attack speed is shown in the hallways outside the oval office, thats where the delay can be seen between jumps. Open your eyes, dude, it's right there in the vid. Whats laughable is that you are falling for camera tricks instead of focusing on NC shown at full speed in the hallways, which, sorry to say, is shit compared to Griffin, hell, even to Rice Bowl.

And NC would have to catch Griffin first. How, pray tell, is NC gonna get close enough to Griffin to go h2h? Hmm?

No way is NC faster than Griffin. Just face it, The "Jumper" teleporters are on a whole different level than NC. Compare Hancock to Spider man, you get the idea. Compare Hulk to Wolverine, thats another fair comparison. In no way, shape or form is NC as fast or as powerful a Jumper as Griffin is. Go ahead, tell me I am full of shit, tell me that NC is faster and better, you know deep down it just aint true.

NC avoided gunfire from STATIONARY AGENTS. Griffin will be all over the world, faster than NC can follow, with objects coming at him from all angles. How's he gonna defend against that? Wait, dont answer that, he CANT.

CGI was used because as you well know, teleporting mutants and superpowers don't exist in real life, so "camera tricks" (aka special effects) were used to illustrate that NC has the ability to teleport, attack and teleport [again] so swiftly that the human eye misses it. They then used more "camera tricks" (aka special effects"😉to do a slowed scene so the audience could see his powers in action at their zenith.

You're wrong, I know you won't own up to it, but clearly NC is the faster teleporter, his mutant abilities are just superior over the Jumper crew, the exceptions being distance and possibly bringing objects along.

P.S. the bullets that were shot weren't stationary, they were travelling at several hundred feet per second.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was clarifying before it got off as a tangent. Some times, we (as in, all of use) start saying things that WE would do in the scenario so we have to come back down to reality and make sure we are also sticking with the personalities of the characters.

Sort of..but not really. That doesn't work. You see, NC was brainwashed with that mutant's brain control liquid thingie. That's all NC with those abilities...he's just been tricked and brain washed into doing things he doesn't normally want to. Case in point, Xavier almost killing all humans or mutants beacuse he was under the same control...that was all Xavier, bro.

NC was established as being able to "jump" wherever he can see unless he's got a hot black chick in his arms.

So, if you want to get technical and be all uber n'stuff.

NC jumps right out of the sensory range of Griffin, but still well within his own uber mutant sensory range, then teleports right behind Griffin and knocks him out....that sounds remarkably similar to what NC did to everyone in the office...sounds in character enough. There, let's go with that. 😄

Yup. He can't jump if he's knocked out, right? 😉

How do you know? the humans were certainly capable of prying it open large enough to fit through. Who knows what NC could do with his senses...maybe he could follow the wake like the humans without having to pry it open? AHA! 😆

Cool.

So, Griffin remains untagged by the paladins the whole movie?

That's not what I remember. I could have sworn he eventually got the beat down from the Paladins.

In terms of distance and things that can be teleported, you betcha. As far as the ability to use it in combat, NC has the advantage.

If NC and Griffin were playing jump games, sure, I'd give it to Griffin.

Dude, NC cannot follow Griffin. Fact.

No, Griffin was only hit by Roland twice, he shrugged it off like it was nothing.

And yeah, coliseum battle, Griffin was never touched.

So since NC has no idea where Griffin will be at any given moment, and vice versa, advantage Griffin.

NC dies.

Originally posted by Robtard
What ****ing "camera tricks"?

CGI was used because as you well know, teleporting mutants and superpowers don't exist in real life, so "camera tricks" (aka special effects) were used to illustrate that NC has the ability to teleport, attack and teleport [again] so swiftly that the human eye misses it. They then used more "camera tricks" (aka special effects"😉to do a slowed scene so the audience could see his powers in action at their zenith.

You're wrong, I know you won't own up to it, but clearly NC is the faster teleporter, his mutant abilities are just superior over the Jumper crew, the exceptions being distance and possibly bringing objects along.

P.S. the bullets that were shot weren't stationary, they were travelling at several hundred feet per second.

NC, on the other hand, has never encountered another jumper, has never fought one. All he has fought is humans. Experience, bro.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, NC cannot follow Griffin. Fact.

No, Griffin was only hit by Roland twice, he shrugged it off like it was nothing.

And yeah, coliseum battle, Griffin was never touched.

So since NC has no idea where Griffin will be at any given moment, and vice versa, advantage Griffin.

NC dies.

But a regular black guy with white hair can?

He's still human and NC has shown what happens when he kicks, punches or tosses a human.

But he was touched, while NC was never touched, right?

Or advantage to NC for the same reasons, that and he's faster.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And during these attacks, I can see him easily. Think about it, you and I are SS agents and we have never seen a teleporter before. We are hanging out in the oval office hallways talking about bewbz, then BAM NC is in our faces. Surely we will have a hard time hitting him, even if we are crack shits, even if he is the slowest teleporter alive. Griffin wont be surprised by anything NC can throw at him, he has seen and done it all.

NC, on the other hand, has never encountered another jumper, has never fought one. All he has fought is humans. Experience, bro.

Not in the Oval Office from 1:34 until it slows down you can't.

No, they couldn't hit him because he was going so fast they had no idea what the hell was going on. There was a noise, a guy would fly about and some smoke would linger, they might as well have been blind. While the Paladins could track the Jumpers and were able to catch them at times

That would probably count for something, but NC's teleporting speed combined with his exceptional h2h and an ability to KO guys with one hit, means Griffin goes down just as quickly.

Originally posted by Robtard
But a regular black guy with white hair can?

He's still human and NC has shown what happens when he kicks, punches or tosses a human.

But he was touched, while NC was never touched, right?

Or advantage to NC for the same reasons, that and he's faster.

NC will never punch or kick Griffin. If you were Griffin, and you knew NC's h2h capabilities, would you go toe to toe with him, or would you keep jumping away and attacking from different angles?

Yes, Griffin was hit twice by Rolands grappling hooks, and it had no affect on him jumping. Point? NC was stupid enough to turn his back on an armed agent, see?

If Rice bowl cna jump an entire apartment, just think what Griffin can do.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not in the Oval Office from 1:34 until it slows down you can't.

No, they couldn't hit him because he was going so fast they had no idea what the hell was going on. There was a noise, a guy would fly about and some smoke would linger, they might as well have been blind. While the Paladins could track the Jumpers and were able to catch them at times

That would probably count for something, but NC's teleporting speed combined with his exceptional h2h and an ability to KO guys with one hit, means Griffin goes down just as quickly.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, its remarks like this that makes me think you had your head up your ass while watching Jumper. Roland had his "machine", it kept wormholes open for the Paladins to follow. Either you missed this part of the movie, or you are just being an ass. NC has no such machine, therefore, he cannot follow Griffin.

NC will never punch or kick Griffin. If you were Griffin, and you knew NC's h2h capabilities, would you go toe to toe with him, or would you keep jumping away and attacking from different angles?

Yes, Griffin was hit twice by Rolands grappling hooks, and it had no affect on him jumping. Point? NC was stupid enough to turn his back on an armed agent, see?

If Rice bowl cna jump an entire apartment, just think what Griffin can do.

Point being, you don't need special powers to follow through a Jumper's gateway, just need the path made available. It's possible NC could follow, since he's fast. Probably not, but saying "No, fact!" as you did was faulty.

They both know about each other, so NC will be doing the same thing, and as I said in the opening page, they both can jump/teleport, so it comes down to speed and skill, which NC has over Griffin, easy as that.

He was hit though; that is the main point. NC wasn't and by bullets no less. I recall Griffin being gimped a bit by the hooks though, that is irrelevant though, he was hit, he wasn't fast enough to avoid everything, like NC is.

Can't jump an entire apartment building? The jumpers have different limits on their abilities, so who knows. Even then, that isn't going to help him take down NC, jumping an apartment building. You're confusing having the ability to bring back a car or bus with winning this fight, it has no real bearing here.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They couldnt hit him because he was teleporting, his speed has nothing to do with it. They had never plaid eyes on a teleporter, so, speed or not, they were pretty much fighting blindfolded. Hell, even Rice Bowl could have avoided being hit.

Because NC was teleporting and attacking so swiftly they couldn't zero in on him.

The Jumpers got tagged by slower moving weapons, they'd get destroyed in that room with multiple guys firing at them.

Edit: Who's more deadly, guy with one of those electrical hooks or a guy with a 9mm?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude, NC cannot follow Griffin. Fact.

Not fact, since this is all fiction to begin with.

We do know that humans are able to pry open the holes created by jumpers. We do know that another jump can follow right through in the wake of a previous jumpers. Those are facts inside the Jumper universe.

Sooo...why wouldn't night crawler, who exhibits ALL of the same abilities as a regular jumper EXCEPT the size of objects that NC can jump with

Knowing this, it should be quite logical to assume that NC can follow a Jumper's wake, and vice versa.

However, I'm just getting all logical with it...not need for us to take it that far, imo.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, Griffin was only hit by Roland twice, he shrugged it off like it was nothing.

I don't remember all the times...I know he was hit and disabled, though.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And yeah, coliseum battle, Griffin was never touched.

I can't watch youtube, I could have sworn someone hit him or shocked him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So since NC has no idea where Griffin will be at any given moment, and vice versa, advantage Griffin.

NC dies.

The exact opposite, actually.

"So since NC has no idea where Griffin will be at any given moment, and vice versa, advantage [NC because NC also has his mutant senses].

[Girffin gets knocked out.]"

I say knocked out because NC is a nice chap and wouldn't go for the kill, unlike Griffin.

Originally posted by Robtard
Because NC was teleporting and attacking so swiftly they couldn't zero in on him.

The Jumpers got tagged by slower moving weapons, they'd get destroyed in that room with multiple guys firing at them.

Edit: Who's more deadly, guy with one of those electrical hooks or a guy with a 9mm?

You are missing the point. The paladins are TRAINED JUMPER KILLERS. They know the capabilities jumpers have and can adjust accordingly. The SS agents were all WTF MAN when NC appeared. They had never seen nor heard of him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Point being, you don't need special powers to follow through a Jumper's gateway, just need the path made available. It's possible NC could follow, since he's fast. Probably not, but saying "No, fact!" as you did was faulty.

They both know about each other, so NC will be doing the same thing, and as I said in the opening page, they both can jump/teleport, so it comes down to speed and skill, which NC has over Griffin, easy as that.

He was hit though; that is the main point. NC wasn't and by bullets no less. I recall Griffin being gimped a bit by the hooks though, that is irrelevant though, he was hit, he wasn't fast enough to avoid everything, like NC is.

Can't jump an entire apartment building? The jumpers have different limits on their abilities, so who knows. Even then, that isn't going to help him take down NC, jumping an apartment building. You're confusing having the ability to bring back a car or bus with winning this fight, it has no real bearing here.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not fact, since this is all fiction to begin with.

We do know that humans are able to pry open the holes created by jumpers. We do know that another jump can follow right through in the wake of a previous jumpers. Those are facts inside the Jumper universe.

Sooo...why wouldn't night crawler, who exhibits ALL of the same abilities as a regular jumper EXCEPT the size of objects that NC can jump with

Knowing this, it should be quite logical to assume that NC can follow a Jumper's wake, and vice versa.

I don't remember all the times...I know he was hit and disabled, though.

I can't watch youtube, I could have sworn someone hit him or shocked him.

The exact opposite, actually.

"So since NC has no idea where Griffin will be at any given moment, and vice versa, advantage [NC because NC also has his mutant senses].

[Girffin gets knocked out.]"

I say knocked out because NC is a nice chap and wouldn't go for the kill, unlike Griffin.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, facts in the JUMPER universe, not the X MEN universe. Can Griffin wield the force? Nope.

Griffing certainly CAN wield the force. He even found "the droids you were looking."

Get with the program, dude. 😉

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
NC isnt shown on screen doing so, end of story. Why doesnt Griffin leave a black cloud when he jumps? Why do Sith Lords not exist in The Big Lebowski? Why does Ricky Bobby not have a car like the Mach 5? Ask your self these questions, then maybe you'll get it.

Well....who else has teleporting ability in the X-men world? Since their powers are very much the same....we are going to assume that NC can follow a jumper's wake just as well as any other Jumper. As the thread starter, I now declare that part of this versus thread.

Since NC's teleporting ability is quite handily explaned in the comic book...

"Nightcrawler has several mutant abilities, but his primary power is to teleport instantly from one place to another; he does this by consciously triggering an internal biochemical reaction which somehow opens a portal to the parallel "darkforce" dimension."

Other than the extra dimensional travel, it sounds remarkably close to what jumpers do. He's just using that extra dimension to his advantage to work in 3D space. Pretty cool.

Oh...and....that cloud stuff is from the darkforce dimension. That's why we see it in the movies. 😐

That means I win the threadz, hands down. 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hit yes. Disabled no. fact.

Buy the DVD then, because your facts are all mixed up.

I usually only watch a movie once, and for a good reason. You can watch the movie for me and tell me if Griffin is disabled. (By electrocuting wires, etc.)

I may be getting my recolection wrong...was Hayden the only one tied down with that electrocution stuff?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mutant sense? Since when is Griffin a mutant?

*facepalm*

Dude, NC, not Griffin.

OK time to end this:

Griffin's battlefield is the planet. He can jump anywhere he has been or has seen, whether in real life or online, or in a magazine. He has possibly hundreds of thousands of places he can jump. He can also return in an instant with anything that moves.

NC can only jump as far as we see him jump ON SCREEN. Let's say the X Jet was going twice the speed of sound (That's a really generous estimate, but what the hell.) Well, that's roughly 1540 mph. When Rogue was sucked out of the X Jet, he TP'd to her, caught her, and returned to the X Jet. The whole scene lasted like 5 seconds, roughly. Do the math. If the X Jet was at point A (When NC jumped out of it) and NC ported out and ported back say, five seconds later,(To point B the X Jets current location), then that means the X Jet had travelled around 100 miles from the time he ported out to the time he ported back. So, according to what we see ON SCREEN, NC's can only jump within 100 miles. I'll even say 125, just to be optimistic.

NC's only weapons are his hands and his feet. And he can jump within a radius of 100ish miles. Griffin can jump anywhere in the world and can return with anything that moves to chuck at NC.

NOW...Seeing as how NC will have to get REALLY close to Griffin to have a chance of winning, while Griffin can stay a football field away, throwing anything he can get his hands on (that moves), His chances of hitting NC with a bus or a truck or a van or a frigging plane are FAR higher than NC getting close enough to Griffin to go h2h.

Hell, Griffin can stop off for lunch in Rome, get some ass in Rio, then return with a bus, then jump to Brazil, see the rain forest, and return with a tank.

All NC would be able to do is jump around a limited distance, hoping to hit Griffin with a punch or a kick.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Well....who else has teleporting ability in the X-men world? Since their powers are very much the same....we are going to assume that NC can follow a jumper's wake just as well as any other Jumper. As the thread starter, I now declare that part of this versus thread.

Have you seen the scene where Griffin is chasing Hayden cause he had the bomb remote?

That was so pathetic. He is chasing him in a straight line, and they TP a few meters at a time, still in a straight line.

Originally posted by Placidity
Have you seen the scene where Griffin is chasing Hayden cause he had the bomb remote?

That was so pathetic. He is chasing him in a straight line, and they TP a few meters at a time, still in a straight line.

Originally posted by omgchos
U can't simply declare something to be true if you are the thread starter.
You can make certain rules regarding how, where, when, and who people fight. I can't just make a thread about the terminator, but cuz i feel like it say he can now transform into a tank when he wants to.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He knows, h'e just actng a fool haermm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK time to end this:

Griffin's battlefield is the planet. He can jump anywhere he has been or has seen, whether in real life or online, or in a magazine. He has possibly hundreds of thousands of places he can jump. He can also return in an instant with anything that moves.

NC can only jump as far as we see him jump ON SCREEN. Let's say the X Jet was going twice the speed of sound (That's a really generous estimate, but what the hell.) Well, that's roughly 1540 mph. When Rogue was sucked out of the X Jet, he TP'd to her, caught her, and returned to the X Jet. The whole scene lasted like 5 seconds, roughly. Do the math. If the X Jet was at point A (When NC jumped out of it) and NC ported out and ported back say, five seconds later,(To point B the X Jets current location), then that means the X Jet had travelled around 100 miles from the time he ported out to the time he ported back. So, according to what we see ON SCREEN, NC's can only jump within 100 miles. I'll even say 125, just to be optimistic.

NC's only weapons are his hands and his feet. And he can jump within a radius of 100ish miles. Griffin can jump anywhere in the world and can return with anything that moves to chuck at NC.

NOW...Seeing as how NC will have to get REALLY close to Griffin to have a chance of winning, while Griffin can stay a football field away, throwing anything he can get his hands on (that moves), His chances of hitting NC with a bus or a truck or a van or a frigging plane are FAR higher than NC getting close enough to Griffin to go h2h.

Hell, Griffin can stop off for lunch in Rome, get some ass in Rio, then return with a bus, then jump to Brazil, see the rain forest, and return with a tank.

All NC would be able to do is jump around a limited distance, hoping to hit Griffin with a punch or a kick.

No.

Speed of sound at see level is 1125 ft/s. 5*1125 = 5625 feet.

5120 ft = 1 mile.

so...

1.09 miles.

AHA!

😆

Since you did your math wrong, that means I'm right, and NC can travel through the semi-open portals of Griffin.

See, NC wins the threadz, hands down.

Your forget one thing.

NC is jumping into and out of our entire universal fabric, holmes. 😄

Mwahahahaha...mwwwwhahahahahaaaaa.

Originally posted by omgchos
U can't simply declare something to be true if you are the thread starter.
You can make certain rules regarding how, where, when, and who people fight. I can't just make a thread about the terminator, but cuz i feel like it say he can now transform into a tank when he wants to.

Dude.

😆 😆 😆

RJ knows what's up. He knows I'm just being a dumbass for the sake of a laugh.