Originally posted by KingD19You saying thats the impression that Stryker wanted given, or that thats what would have happened?
Yeah, the fact still remains that he got into the white house, and through the Secret Service. He was dangerous, and were it not for some agent who happened to have a good shot, pres would be dead.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So NC being killed in the hallways outside the oval office would have the same effect? I think not. If anything, if it were me, I'd be like "Dude this guy was killed by bullets, by SS agents, just beef up security and its all good."But, by having NC port into the oval office, that shows more raw power. I think if NC had ported right into the oval office, even MORE fear would have been instilled.
Um, I never said NC getting killed in the hallway.
I thought you meant like if the last agent got a headshot or something, just before the President was about to be stabbed.
He's already proved that even something considered obviously very secure is futile in the face of mutant powers. Of course he would've seemed more unstoppable if he didn't get killed.
Originally posted by KingD19
I'm saying that whether he got killed, killed the president, or followed the path of the movie, the fact still remains that he easily infiltrated the White House, made fools of the Service, and got close enough to the president to see the threads on his Armani. Nobody is safe from mutants.
Pretty much summarizes what we've been saying the last few pages. 🙂
Originally posted by PlacidityNo, what I mean is this:
Um, I never said NC getting killed in the hallway.I thought you meant like if the last agent got a headshot or something, just before the President was about to be stabbed.
He's already proved that even something considered obviously very secure is futile in the face of mutant powers. Of course he would've seemed more unstoppable if he didn't get killed.
It's obvious Stryker wanted to prove mutants were a threat. But, what if a stray bullet had caught NC in the hallways? All that effort wasted.
But, by having NC port directly to the oval office, to display that kind of power, dont you agree that the point would have been driven home even further?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, what I mean is this:It's obvious Stryker wanted to prove mutants were a threat. But, what if a stray bullet had caught NC in the hallways? All that effort wasted.
But, by having NC port directly to the oval office, to display that kind of power, dont you agree that the point would have been driven home even further?
Ok I see what you mean.
Goes back to what I said before.
One reason the opening scene was done is undeniably to show how kickass NC is and again for visual orgasms.
Also, the kickass displayed by NC left much more of an impression. Seriously, who would the president would think is more dangerous? Some dude that somehow got in, possibly by inside leaks, or what he witnessed?
Its possible that NC could've been killed. That would've been most unlikely and Stryker knew how badass NC was.
Originally posted by PlacidityVisual orgasms then. Porting to the oval office would have had the same if not more of an effect.
Ok I see what you mean.Goes back to what I said before.
One reason the opening scene was done is undeniably to show how kickass NC is and again for visual orgasms.
Also, the kickass displayed by NC left much more of an impression. Seriously, who would the president would think is more dangerous? Some dude that somehow got in, possibly by inside leaks, or what he witnessed?
Its possible that NC could've been killed. That would've been most unlikely and Stryker knew how badass NC was.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Reaching. That's all I am saying. All that mattered was the attempt itself. The same could have been accomplished if NC had ported directly to the oval office. Just as much fear would have been placed in the President, and mutants would have been ID'd just as much of a threat.
You can hang on to that desperate last attempt all you like; it doesn't take away that NC can tp-attack-tp so fast, that he can't be tracked by the human eye, when he's in 'I'm going to kick everyones ass' mode.
It's clearly in the video, as all we see is his smoke after he's tp'd-attacked-tp'd and the sercret service are ****ing baffled to what's attacking them.
Rob, I already explained this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You serious? Dude, he POOFS away, the cloud of smoke is where he was, then he reappears in another cloud of smoke, and you can SEE him. I watch the vid and I see him every time. And the delay between jumps is quite evident. The whole oval office scene is slowed down, and thus is LOOKS as if he is moving faster than he really is. His actual speed is the same as it was in the hallways, which is slower than Griffin.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Momentum, strength, whatever, the same result was achieved.The NC oval office scene, it's very easy to be fooled. Why? There are clouds of smoke everywhere, it makes it LOOK as if he is in multiple places at once. Each one of those clouds took several seconds to dissipate.
FACT.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Rob, I already explained this:FACT.
WTF, dude.
The clouds are the aftermath of him tp'ing, the length they linger for has nothing to do with him tp'ing-attacking-tp'ing so fast you can't see his body; that is the point, he couldn't be tracked. So that was a failed point on your part.
Watch from 1:34 on, tell me you can see his body while he's teleporting and attacking. Fact is, you can't, not until everything slows down to illustrate his abilities to the audience.
Originally posted by RobtardNope, I already said I can see him each time, that he is attacking as he appears, and that the clouds take several seconds to dissipate and are all over the place make it LOOK like he is everywhere at once.
WTF, dude.The clouds are the aftermath of him tp'ing, the length they linger for has nothing to do with him tp'ing-attacking-tp'ing so fast you can't see his body; that is the point, he couldn't be tracked. So that was a failed point on your part.
Watch from 1:34 on, [b]tell me you can see his body while he's teleporting and attacking
. Fact is, you can't, not until everything slows down to illustrate his abilities to the audience. [/B]
Originally posted by PlacidityWho the hell is Gibson? Griffin?
In the end, Gibson's reflexes are too crappy since he gets tagged by wired tazers.He also has trouble with normal humans without powers. NC would never have that problem, no matter how well trained his human opponents are.
He is only hit twice by the grappling hooks, in the initial battle with Roland in his lair. The first time, the hook shoots at him, he blocks it with his arm. It had ZERO effect on him, for seconds later he jumped down the hall at Roland (Much faster than NC, it was practically instantaneous), knocked him through a stone wall, sending him rolling twenty feet through the sand. The second time, he follows Roland to Billie's apartment and is caught around the neck by Roland, and again, despite Roland hurling Griffin through a wall, it had ZERO effect on him, for seconds later he reappeared in his lair with the Paladin's jumping device.
I totally forgot about those two instances, but I am glad you brought them up, for now Griffin's strength at jumping is proven to be even stronger than I stated before. Those hooks are designed to keep Jumpers from jumping, and despite being hit in the arm by Roland, and despite having one around his neck, he still jumped. The only thing that stopped him from jumping was a frigging electrical tower. In terms of jumping/TPing strength, Griffin is a damn Juggernaut. And before someone says "Rice Bowl jumped in Billie's apartment when he was strung to the wall by the hooks", he was connected to the building, the hooks were holding him to the building, he jumped her ENTIRE APARTMENT to the library. Can NC jump an entire apartment? And when Rice Bowl jumps Roland to the desert, watch closely, INSTANTANEOUS. And did I mention it was half a world away? Dooooooooooo......And PLEASE stop praising NC's fighting prowess, I have ackowledged it several times, and it's also painfully obvious that Griffin would NOT allow this to be a h2h battle. Even if he has no idea how badass NC is, you think he is gonna take a look at that blue skinned freak with a tail and decide to throw hands with him? Nope. Griffin is gonna jump around faster and farther than NC, hurling everything at him he can. Eventually NC WILL get tagged by a bus or a car or a tank or an APARTMENT BUILDING.
So...Griffin is pretty much immune to the hooks, I just proved that.
Griffin displays strength NC never does by hurling Roland through a stone wall (Even though his jumping created the momentum needed)
Griffin jumps faster.
Griffin jumps farther.
Griffin can jump anything that moves at NC, from anywhere in the world.
The only advantage NC has is h2h combat and agility, and probably physical speed.
Any questions?