Originally posted by EminenceThe difference is that Griffin can TP around shooting the whole time, whereas the security personnel were stationary. NC will never know where the shots are coming from.
And how is a single guy shooting an automatic or a flamethrower going to hit someone who can dodge shots from over a dozen trained security personnel at once in an enclosed room, at least three of whom were carrying SMGs?
The more I think about this, this will come down to luck. NC is gonna be damn lucky to get close enough to go h2h on Griffin, and Griffin is gonna be damn lucky to get a clean shot at NC.
Nightcrawler said he couldn't see where he was going, it was a long shot, but he did it. You notice that the Jumpers all had pictures of where they were going, they're in the same boat Kurt is. And Xavier said he was jumping all over the place too fast for him to track, so as far as we know, he could teleport across the country if he wanted to. They never showed him porting that far, but nothing says he can't in the movie. Plus Kurt has the whole sticking to walls thing, and enhanced durability, fighting skills, etc...
But we dont SEE him TPing countries away at a time. NC's fighting prowess only comes in handy of he gets within arms reach of Griffin, you think Griffin is gonna stand by and allow that?
Never mind whats implied, what do we SEE? If Xavier actually said "Dude just jumped from Japan to Sweden", that'd be different.
Jumpers having pics of where they are going is a no brainer, how is someone, anyone with TP powers gonna jump if they dont know where they are going? My whole point about NC saying "I have to see where I am going" relates to him having to physically see it, like right there in person, a picture wont cut it. Yes, NC overcame this weakness, but I am just saying that Griffin has been doing it for years, fighting the whole time, while it's all new to NC.
Here, same vid as before:
Show me one scene where NC doesnt have line of sight as to where he jumps.
I'll say this, if NC gets in close on Griffin, Griffin will die quickly. BUT, what are the odds on him getting that close? About the same as NC presenting himself as a target for Griffin while Griffin is armed with whatever weapon he chooses.
I'll say now this is evenly matched. NC is a better h2h fighter, Griffin is a better jumper and has access to a shitload of weaponry.
Originally posted by Rogue JediThat makes no sense. Kurt at one point in his past had a "weakness" that Griffin never had, so despite the fact that he no longer has that weakness Griffin still has some sort of advantage in a versus scenario?
Exactly, he overcame this weakness, as I stated. At first he couldnt do that, he had to physically eye where he was going, think line of sight. Griffin has never known such a weakness, so yeah, advantage Griffin.
When he gets past the 1st guard, he turns right down the hallway, then ports to another hallway he hadn't been down or seen.
And hand to hand, Kurt wins, even his tail was strong enough to flip a man several feet in passing.
And Eminence, Griffin, and every Jumper has the same weakness. They can't easily jump to a place they've never been to or seen. Well, Nightcrawler can, but no Jumper was ever shown doing it.
Originally posted by EminenceIt makes Griffin a more experienced Jumper, which might make all the difference in this battle. Griffin has been battling Paladins for years, he is hunted 24/7 by a highly financed orginization, how long has NC been jumping around fighting?
That makes no sense. Kurt at one point in his past had a "weakness" that Griffin never had, so despite the fact that he no longer has that weakness Griffin still has some sort of advantage in a versus scenario?
Originally posted by KingD19You talking about at :23? NC pwns the asian guy, then runs down the hall, makes a right, then runs past the other agent. He makes another right, then a split second later we see him running past the same guard, who says "Multiple subjects." He backtracked, he had already been there.
When he gets past the 1st guard, he turns right down the hallway, then ports to another hallway he hadn't been down or seen.And hand to hand, Kurt wins, even his tail was strong enough to flip a man several feet in passing.
And Eminence, Griffin, and every Jumper has the same weakness. They can't easily jump to a place they've never been to or seen. Well, Nightcrawler can, but no Jumper was ever shown doing it.
Tell me, why didnt NC just TP to the oval office dircetly? Why fight his way, instead of taking a more direct route? If it were Griffin, you can bet your ass he would have went directlyto the oval office with a bomb.
Yes h2h Kurt pwns, but it wont be h2h. Not likely anyway.
Originally posted by KingD19Is this stayed in X2? Is it shown?
Well apparently, Kurt had been hunted for years and fighting as well, he was captured by Weapon X after all. And since Xavier never found him from the circus, that meant he'd been fighting at least since his teens.
Griffin "I've been hunting them for years."
I don't think he backtracked, if you look at the hallways, he took a different one.
It doesn't have to be shown, in the comics, Xavier found him as a teen, in the movies, he was never found until the White House scene, where he was clearly well into adult hood. Weapon X found him, and I can guarantee you it wasn't instantly. If they couldn't keep track of Wolverine, how hard do you think it would of been for them to keep up with Kurt, even if he was blue?
Originally posted by KingD19All those hallways connect, he came from where he had previously been, a blind man can see it.
I don't think he backtracked, if you look at the hallways, he took a different one.It doesn't have to be shown, in the comics, Xavier found him as a teen, in the movies, he was never found until the White House scene, where he was clearly well into adult hood. Weapon X found him, and I can guarantee you it wasn't instantly. If they couldn't keep track of Wolverine, how hard do you think it would of been for them to keep up with Kurt, even if he was blue?
Comics have no bearing here.