Originally posted by Battlehammer
I don't think she more skilled at all. I think she wins h2h though.
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 😱
If he is more skilled than he should win!
Why do you think that Electra would win if she is less skilled? 🤨
This thread is based on there Martial Arts abilities, nothing more.
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Originally posted by Mr Marvel
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 😱If he is more skilled than he should win!
Why do you think that Electra would win if she is less skilled? 🤨
This thread is based on there Martial Arts abilities, nothing more.
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No it based of who would win in h2h not who more skill. Elektra has physical advantages that give her the win along with TP, but now that the TP taken away im not sure.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
🤨..... doh...... so there're just throwing punches and kicks, no skill is involved, right?
when some one says blank h2h vs blank we do not assume it automatically about skill. Nor do with take away peoples powers and abilities becuases we dislike the fact on favorite character loses.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
TP has nothing to with a h2h fight. You clearly gave Elektra an advantage. Why not give Batman his utility belt or take away Elektra's TP?Those are the rules you maded.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
What are talking about? So you think that it is fair for someone to have their abilities because it's apart of them, and Batman doesn't get everything that makes him complete in any kind of fight? If Elektra does defeat Batman using TP. How would that prove that she really has what it takes to win, if she can't do it without it? I truly think that Batman would thrash her anyway. Batman's utility belt is what will trump Elektra's TP. But this a h2h only battle. So if Elektra get to use something other than her h2h skills alone, so should Batman.
She's not getting anything past what she's earned through training.
It's not like we put Hulk into slugfests with other bricks and then expect that he doesn't get his healing factor, that's part of what makes the character what he is.
But equiptement and abilities are different beasts my friend.
Batman's equiptment doesn't play into h2h fighting, while Elektra's abilities do.
What? The next time we throw spiderman in a h2h contest with street levels are we gonna assume he doesn't have his Spider Powers anymore?
Ridiculous...
and again, we're not even talking about powers per'se more like learned abilities.
Originally posted by Mr Marvel
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? 😱If he is more skilled than he should win!
Why do you think that Electra would win if she is less skilled? 🤨
This thread is based on there Martial Arts abilities, nothing more.
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It's like how Shang Chi can amp himself and Iron Fist can use energy blasts.. it's a result of their training.
But you're right it really doesn't matter seeing how Elektra's strong enough to punch through plated bullet proof armor while passing out from getting tazed, fast enough to block machine gun fire, and good enough to 3 shot Bullseye and 2 shot taskmaster without her TP.
Originally posted by thadarknite84Sure it is.
A hand 2 hand fight is a test of "physical" skill. The way someone gains an ability is not the point. It's the nature of that ability, and the nature of TP is not physical in anyway.
Look I get that you like Batman but how is Elektra's TP any different from Batman's ability to channel his energy to hurt bricks or take punishment no human'd be able to withstand.
Elektra's training took her a different route.
The nature of Elektra's ability is gained through her training. That's how advanced her abilities have become. I'm sorry you don't like it.
And again, it doesn't matter.
Is Batman good enough to compete with her physically anyway?
When she's blocking machinw gun fire, blitzing Punisher, and giving three hitter quiters left and right to high tier streeters accross the board.. I don't think so.
Not in my opinion.
Originally posted by jinzin
Sure it is.
If Elektra can use it to kick the crap out of Batsy..Look I get that you like Batman but how is Elektra's TP any different from Batman's ability to channel his energy to hurt bricks or take punishment no human'd be able to withstand.
Elektra's training took her a different route.The nature of Elektra's ability is gained through her training. That's how advanced her abilities have become. I'm sorry you don't like it.
And again, it doesn't matter.
Is Batman good enough to compete with her physically anyway?
When she's blocking machinw gun fire, blitzing Punisher, and giving three hitter quiters left and right to high tier streeters accross the board.. I don't think so.
Not in my opinion.
when talking to him the phrases "batman wanking" is pritty much a must.
Originally posted by jinzin
Sure it is. If Elektra can use it to kick the crap out of Batsy.
So if Elektra and Psylocke took an IQ test and Elektra used her TP instead of her intelligence, would that be fair?
Originally posted by jinzin
how is Elektra's TP any different from Batman's ability to channel his energy to hurt bricks or take punishment no human'd be able to withstand.
Because reading someone's mind to help you beat them is not the same as breaking bricks. It is different because he is physically breaking the brick with his hands, and every human has chi. If someone trained harder to understand how to use their life force better than someone else, in a h2h fight that's fair game. Not using an ability that allows you to peek into someone else's mind, as a advantage to win a physical contest.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
no different then shiva abilities to read moves, or batman ability to channle chi ect.
If Someone can see with their own eyes and predict an opponents next move, through instincts. Is not the same as entering someone mind to see what their next move is. Instincts and TP are not the same.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it is though. Both there abilities are activated by the mind and both are from MA training.
If it was a game of chest instead. And one player is so good, that they can see and know the other player's next move through instinct and years of experience. Is that the same as using TP? No. The only thing that is the same is the result, not the means that they uses to achieve it.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
If it was a game of chest instead. And one player is so good, that they can see and know the other player's next move through instinct and years of experience. Is that the same as using TP? No. The only thing that is the same is the result, not the means that they uses to achieve it.
Agreed. It could even be argued that instinct and experience could be better than TP, but that depends on how much info you get from the TP and the training of the person with TP.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
So if Elektra and Psylocke took an IQ test and Elektra used her TP instead of her intelligence, would that be fair?
So then do we also strip away any advantages in strength and speed that any character ever has over another in a h2h foum fight?
In any case you're missing the point. The thread starter
specified that this be a hand to hand contest, the stipulation of no TP was never implied. So you can whine and ***** all you want about how it's not fair but Elektra gets her learned abilities in this fight. Deal with it.
Originally posted by thadarknite84Your own reasoning discredits your argument here.. 😬
Because reading someone's mind to help you beat them is not the same as breaking bricks. It is different because he is physically breaking the brick with his hands, and every human has chi. If someone trained harder to understand how to use their life force better than someone else, in a h2h fight that's fair game.
Elektra has TP because she's learned it through training, "to use her lifeforce better". It's not an innate ability and is completely reflective of how she uses her h2h skill. She should be able to use her learned abilities because they play into how she fights the same way Shiva reads bodies, the same way Taskmaster emulates movements.
Originally posted by thadarknite84Well, not on your sayso at least because you like Batman. 🙄
Not using an ability that allows you to peek into someone else's mind, as a advantage to win a physical contest.