Originally posted by Battlehammer
I am asking you what level you precieve him to be.
Whatever he needs to be in a given situation. He obviously isn't herald level though.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
No it was really him using his chi to stop the bleeding. His body was not healed and he was clearly damage. If he had healed the wound he would have been fine not clutching it.
The captions read that it was a "spiritual discipline."
Clutching it? He didn't even notice the wound until his teacher pointed it out.
I'm not saying the wound was completely healed, but the bullet hole closed and the bleeding stopped in one panel. This indicates a degree of accelerated healing. I really don't see how this can be argued.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That’s really nothing to impressive I mean most top MA have done similar things.
Now you're reaching. What martial artist has closed a bullet wound in one panel because of his training?
And I don't mean you saying Iron Fist and that being enough. You stated most top MA have done things like that, so I want to see a legitimate list.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
also it was not label any were as a spiritual healing factor.
I guess you missed this part of my post...
Originally posted by batdude123
I was ad-libbing on the scan calling it a "spiritual healing factor" because that's practically what it is.
Originally posted by jinzin
Uh, yes I have. Read Wolverine: Agent of Shield, she infiltrates Wolverine's head, even with is high telepathic resistance.Again, you're comparing DD's feats to before Elektra had her second "rebirth". It wasn't until her second series that she started doing these crazy superhuman things. 😐
And ABC logic HAS to be applied here since her CIS affects her too much for it not to come into play in a comparison with DD.
DD has batted back one or two bullets at a time NEVER has he deflected automatic gunfire like Elektra did are you F*cking kidding me? That's a speed feat on level with Wonder Woman. So what if he's gone toe to toe with Spiderman he's outmatched over 90% of the time he does. That also proves nothing since Spidey has an affinity when it comes to skilled street levels..
And, you missunderstand, YOU show me where DD has put down someone of Taskmasters caliber in two hits because Elektra has done it to TM himself!
LOL still feats that are irrelevant. I've seen Gambit block multipile bullets but he faired bad against Bullseye.
Heck I've seen Zaran block multiple bullets and yet he loses a bunch.
Since your so obsessed with bullets. I've seen Daredevil keep up in a race with a bullet, big deal. I've also seen DD put down Logan easily at one point in his career. Doesn't mean much on how real fights go. Its on consistency and a basis........Electra not so much.
Originally posted by batdude123
Whatever he needs to be in a given situation. He obviously isn't herald level though.
Originally posted by batdude123
The captions read that it was a "spiritual discipline."
Also the caption said “a spiritual discipline huh?”
Originally posted by batdude123
Clutching it? He didn't even notice the wound until his teacher pointed it out.
Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not saying the wound was completely healed, but the bullet hole closed and the bleeding stopped in one panel. This indicates a degree of accelerated healing. I really don't see how this can be argued.
Also what issue is that from?
Originally posted by batdude123
Now you're reaching. What martial artist has closed a bullet wound in a panel because of their training?
I believe both DD and Elektra have done similar feats.
Logan has amplified his healing through training. IF has healed wounds due to his MA chi abilities as has shang-chi. Stick and Ogun have defied death through training.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
So his powers and abilities fluctuate?
He fights and defeats metahumans on a regular basis, if that's what you're asking.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Which in one way means a spiritual healing factor.Also the caption said “a spiritual discipline huh?”
What?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
That’s due to adrenalin. Notice how he standing weakly and hurt.
Uh, sorry, but adrenaline doesn't just stop all of a sudden two seconds after you have a guy at knife point.
And if you look at the scan again, he wasn't even holding his leg.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Nothing to suggest it was healed, but simply stopping the bleeding as stated.
...
Are you actually reading my posts? I didn't say the wound was completely healed. However, the bleeding did stop, and the bullet hole closed in one panel, as shown here...
Once again, it shows an accelerated degree of healing from Bruce.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Also what issue is that from?
I can't remember if it's from one of the early issues of Legend of the Dark Knight, or Batman: Year One.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
All he did was stop the bleeding.I believe both DD and Elektra have done similar feats.
Logan has amplified his healing through training. IF has healed wounds due to his MA chi abilities as has shang-chi. Stick and Ogun have defied death through training.
What specifically have they done? And show me examples, or give me issue numbers. Ambiguous claims aren't going to help you here.
Also, isn't Stick dead? And for that matter, Ogun? Besides, Ogun is a character of mystical origins.
Originally posted by batdude123
You know, for somebody as well acknowledged as Batman, he doesn’t seem to get the credit he deserves when it comes to fighting prowess. Elektra really should lose the majority in a h2h fight against Batman. She’s damn impressive, no doubt about that. However, if you look at the caliber of opponents Batman has beaten in his career, you’ll see why he wins this.I’ll start with actual battles he’s had against superhumans.
Takes down Solomon Grundy with pressure point strikes:
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Again, beats Solomon Grundy into unconsciousness:
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http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page409be.jpgKnocks Gorilla Grodd the f*ck out with a kick:
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http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfbx7.jpgGains the upper hand on Wonder Woman in a sparring session:
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Stuns Wonder Woman with a pressure point strike:
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http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfvl0.jpgHe was beating a demon-possessed Wonder Woman until she toppled debris on him:
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http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfqd7.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfrx7.jpgGains the upper hand in a h2h fight against Lobo until some chick breaks it up:
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http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanlobodeadlyseriousoo8.jpgFends off an attack by Lobo with a back hand of his own:
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http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanlobodeadlyseriousok0.jpgBeats down Aquaman in a fight:
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http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzo0.jpgPunks the Ray pretty easily:
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http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ray2.jpgDefeats numerous cybernetically enhanced Gorillas with heavy armor and telekinetic abilities using pressure points:
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Bloodies up Darkseid:
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Makes Hawkgirl look like a CHILD here:
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http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batvhawkgirl4zc3.jpgReverts Captain Marvel to Billy Batson here with a kick:
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Now for some impressive showings of strength…
Splits a tree in half like nothing:
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Rips out a metal duct easily and demonstrates great agility in the process:
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Another instance of him batkicking down trees:
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Here, he hurls Dr. Death through a reinforced door designed to withstand the impact of f*ckin’ MISSLES (beats the shit out of anything Elektra has done when it comes to strength):
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http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfde3.jpgKicks down a steel door:
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Bends the barrel of a gun with his hands:
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Knocks out Deathstroke with one kick:
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Here he is benching roughly over a ton (considering we see a 500 lb. plate in there):
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Now for some agility/speed feats…
Mr. Freeze can’t do shit to Batman at point blank range with his freeze gun:
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Dodges gunfire at close range and then takes down the gunmen:
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Moving in-between machine gunfire with ease and then kicks the Reaper (who is an expert marksman):
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Ducks under a bullet fired at point blank range from Deadshot then takes him down with 1 punch:
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Blitzing various gunmen straight up while evading/withstanding gunfire from other thugs:
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Surrounded by armed guards, he's able to blitz and disarm them before they can react:
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http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfhl8.jpgEasily blocking Ivy and Black Spider's rapidly shot poisonous tranqs at the same time with a single batarang and taking them out quickly afterwards:
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Grabs Impulse while he’s speeding around Batman:
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Here he’s able to dodge Superman’s flying punch:
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Here he dodges a sneak heat vision attack before being taken out:
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This is awesome… he steals GL Kyle’s ring away from him, and Kyle had no idea what the f*ck just happened (and jinzin thought Elektra stealing Punisher’s gun was impressive):
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http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfcm6.jpgDisappears out of sight from everyone in front of him despite Deadshot shooting rapidly at him within close range… almost super speedster-like:
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Detects a bullet fired by a sniper [b]after
its shot at him and quickly dodges it:http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page218f.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=detectivecomics8042005page229q.jpgShowing off impressive speed as he eludes bullets at close range, disarms a man with a shotgun before he can react, and purposely falls out the way of bullets only inches away from his body:
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http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfyt7.jpgEvades and disappears out of sight of bullets shot at him at 5,000 rounds per minute within close range to the surprise of his evil counterpart The Wrath.
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http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wrathgun2so6.jpgCatches an arrow shot by Green Arrow behind his back without looking:
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Here, Bruce is hiding in a tree, and an arrow is shot at him without him being aware of it. Then, before the arrow can reach him, he tosses a batarang at it casually, splits it in half, and splits the bow in half as well. This just goes to show how awesome Batman's reflexes/reaction speeds and accuracy are:
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Excellent points
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
🙂He also opened a vault under water before... a f*cking locked vault with his f*cking hands.
Really... I don't get why Batman is so underestimated here. If not in MA, he's underrated in strength, durability... hell, even in his gadgets.😐
Exactly.
Did you read my two posts on page 4?
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistDid you catch this bit?😆
🙂He also opened a vault under water before... a f*cking locked vault with his f*cking hands.
Really... I don't get why Batman is so underestimated here. If not in MA, he's underrated in strength, durability... hell, even in his gadgets.😐
Originally posted by Battlehammer
....................she was trained by stick.........................
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ya. Nobody (or few) listened.... or even seemed to peak at it. 🙁
Took me a few hours to put all of that together. 😂
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Heh...
And Batman was only trained by like every martial artist on the planet (of merit).
And he pretty much surpassed all of them.
✅
