Originally posted by Battlehammer
also hydra/hand wanted elektra over daredevil as well.also logan has mention on a number of occassions that she the greatest ninja and one of the best fighters.
thats more then what he has said for DD.
Logan said the streets characters were the best. More importantly he was referencing DD at the time since he was fighting him. Hydra wanting Electra could be as well since she is more easily susceptible.
Logan has also referenced to Captain America.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Logan said the streets characters were the best. More importantly he was referencing DD at the time since he was fighting him. Hydra wanting Electra could be as well since she is more easily susceptible.
Also DD was the bait which Logan even states at the end of the fight.
Also there is no way electra is more accptiable if any thing she be harder to controll.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Logan has also referenced to Captain America.
yes and vice vera.
I stopped right there at humiliating Cap.
Humilation is dying to Bullsye. Cap dies too bullets while in custody under "strength dampners" to save a police officer, no street character ever killed him in actual combat.
Tasky got a advantage via surprise and ran away. Thats humiliation.....LOL.........more like Tasky knowing he better run.
Then when they fought Cap had the advantage in the end.
That fact that you change this shows you don't know much and twist and distort to suit your fantasy 🙂
Electra got owned by Bullseye thats........humilation.
Then in a future rematch with her newly skills she still can't defeat Bullseye again even with help.............. 😂
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully thoses are not his thoughts...........so irrelevent.Also DD was the bait which Logan even states at the end of the fight.
Also there is no way electra is more accptiable if any thing she be harder to controll.
yes and vice vera.
Shows that it isn't more stated for Electra on in comparison to DD is my point. Yes her mind was shown to be more weakly has she let her emotions compromise her. As shown with Stick.
Also in the end she lost to Gorgon which Wolverine succeeded.
Originally posted by jinzin
DP beat task due to an increased HF. Moonstone to powers. DD got a lucky plot device. The fact that he needed the plot device speaks volumes for what Elektra did compared to DD.I didn't say Cap was KOed... okay you are dense..
I said he failed to KO taskmaster.. 😐
After coming back but before her second rebirth so it's irrelivent.
I just told you read Wolverine: Agent of Shield. 😬
She infiltrates Wolverine's brain with level 9 psy-blockers.. Just because I don't have access to immediate scans you're just going to ignore this? Pfffft. 🙄
By that lame logic DD defeated Logan easily and speaks volumes in comparison to what Electra did.
Or defeated Bullseye and it speaks volumes and ooodles...LOL in comparison to what Electra did. Electra couldn't even do that at her last encounter with Bullseye to date.
Issue title and # and lets see this psi proof of yours.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Shows that it isn't more stated for Electra on in comparison to DD is my point. ]
but it is more stated...............Wolverine never said anything to DD like he has said about elektra. Hell even what he said in enemy of the state were not even his own words, not to mention the fact he never even commented directly to DD.
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Originally posted by Daredevil1
[B]es her mind was shown to be more weakly has she let her emotions compromise her. As shown with Stick.]
Originally posted by Daredevil1
[B]Also in the end she lost to Gorgon which Wolverine succeeded.
Yea and? DD would have been stomp just as fast if not faster
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I stopped right there at humiliating Cap.Humilation is dying to Bullsye. Cap dies too bullets while in custody under "strength dampners" to save a police officer, no street character ever killed him in actual combat.
Tasky got a advantage via surprise and ran away. Thats humiliation.....LOL.........more like Tasky knowing he better run.
Then when they fought Cap had the advantage in the end.
That fact that you change this shows you don't know much and twist and distort to suit your fantasy 🙂
Electra got owned by Bullseye thats........humilation.
Then in a future rematch with her newly skills she still can't defeat Bullseye again even with help.............. 😂
Cap was dominated the entire fight you're reffering to. 😐
The only way he was able to turn the tide was by pulling out a weapon Taskmaster didn't know he had while Tasky was gloating...
Aside from the fact that you cling to Bullseye killing an all too human Elektra before several upgrades you're ignoring, NOW you're clinging to two plot devices and ignoring that the fight ended before Cap even had a chance of "winning".
He was losing, he was being dominated.
Taskmaster has also beat him in three panels starting with his back to him and was also beating on Cap until Cap had help come.
The man's curbstomped the Cat, Razorfist, and was going hit for hit with Daredevil.. How is beating this guy in two hits using DD's style not impressive?
In a future rematch that's STILL before her second rebirth.. Stop ignoring what you don't like.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
By that lame logic DD defeated Logan easily and speaks volumes in comparison to what Electra did.Or defeated Bullseye and it speaks volumes and ooodles...LOL in comparison to what Electra did. Electra couldn't even do that at her last encounter with Bullseye to date.
Issue title and # and lets see this psi proof of yours.
Wolverine defeated Logan in an Ennis book with a throat chop.. which we all know is hardcore honest writing, especially since Logan had his face shot off curbed Punisher, had his legs sawed into and kep after him, Got run over by a steam roller and was still screamin under it, got hit by a rocket launcher and didn even get KOed, got punched by Hulk from New York to Boston and got on the next train back to the fight AND... IN THE SAME BOOK BY THE SAME WRITER!
But you need Logan not to kill Frank on the spot so he can survive, run away, and set up his "prep" for the heroes for the next issue and DD drops him with a throat chop (In spite of the fact that Logan's had every organ crushed by Namor, and Hulk and been fine with it, In spite of the fact that he's had swords and knives in his throat while he was running around, but he goes down to one throat chop?) It's the very definition of PIS...
Likewise, Wolverine when he's been in his right mind AND wasn't written by Ennis got blindsided by an attacking Daredevil and had him in a full nelson in three panels. Now that's humiliation, it speaks volumes over Wolverine's fights with Elektra and not in a good way. It doesn't help DD's case that Elektra has a win over Logan that's legitimate from before her sceond rebirth... Something DD's still missin on his resume'.
I already gave you the issue.. It's like I'm talking to friggin wall!
Wolverine: Agent of SHIELD issue # 29.
This thread is getting good. Everyday i come, the thread gets longer.
ABC logic should never apply in these battles on KMC. Its all about matchups. Some characters fare better against others. Elektra naturally has hard times with Bullseye. I personally dont know what upgrades shes been given since her second rebirth, so i cant comment on it. I do think shes being highly underestimated here by many, however. Elektra IS the best assasin(sorry any wolvie fans) and ninja in Marvel. Those are facts. Her skills are top notch.
I know this is a bad comparison, but Elektra is like a sith compared to a jedi when it comes to fighting. She fights with rage and emotion. That makes her as good as most top tiers, but then again its the same rage and emotion that can cause her defeat. Her speed is remarkable as well as her strength in her blows. Agility is nice as skills are well practiced.
I dont get why other characters achievements are used as a measuring stick here. If other characters are to be used, it should be as feats as these 2 in the thread. Elektra may have taken Tasky out with 2 hits when he was using DD's style, but noone uses DD's style to their full efficiency like DD does. even fights between her and DD should never be counted due to the fact of their history and that DD holds back on her.
Bats has always been consistent with his ma prowess. His agility is slightly below hers imo. Slightly. Also, eventhough its stated that he knows so many different styles, i dont think hed display any that she wouldnt be familiar with unless its a DC alien type martial art.
The only reason i give Bats the nod here is because hed be more cool in the fight as to where her emotion may get the best of her and leave an opening for Bats to capitalize.
Just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by jrodslamTaskmaster wasn't brought up only because he was using DD's style. That's just a kicker. He was brought up to show how Elektra can take down elites since Daredevil1 seems to be under the impression that she's incapible.
This thread is getting good. Everyday i come, the thread gets longer.ABC logic should never apply in these battles on KMC. Its all about matchups. Some characters fare better against others. Elektra naturally has hard times with Bullseye. I personally dont know what upgrades shes been given since her second rebirth, so i cant comment on it. I do think shes being highly underestimated here by many, however. Elektra IS the best assasin(sorry any wolvie fans) and ninja in Marvel. Those are facts. Her skills are top notch.
I know this is a bad comparison, but Elektra is like a sith compared to a jedi when it comes to fighting. She fights with rage and emotion. That makes her as good as most top tiers, but then again its the same rage and emotion that can cause her defeat. Her speed is remarkable as well as her strength in her blows. Agility is nice as skills are well practiced.
I dont get why other characters achievements are used as a measuring stick here. If other characters are to be used, it should be as feats as these 2 in the thread. Elektra may have taken Tasky out with 2 hits when he was using DD's style, but noone uses DD's style to their full efficiency like DD does. even fights between her and DD should never be counted due to the fact of their history and that DD holds back on her.
Bats has always been consistent with his ma prowess. His agility is slightly below hers imo. Slightly. Also, eventhough its stated that he knows so many different styles, i dont think hed display any that she wouldnt be familiar with unless its a DC alien type martial art.
The only reason i give Bats the nod here is because hed be more cool in the fight as to where her emotion may get the best of her and leave an opening for Bats to capitalize.
Just my 2 cents.
I'd say that if she were fighting a character like DD or Bullseye she'd lose her cool. But fighting other characters she far far far more consistently portrayed as a cool, calm, level headed fighter. But I respect your opinion.
Originally posted by jinzinwhy would she lose her cool against bullseye?
I'd say that if she were fighting a character like DD or Bullseye she'd lose her cool. But fighting other characters she far far far more consistently portrayed as a cool, calm, level headed fighter. But I respect your opinion.
Originally posted by jinzinok cool. I asked cuz I don't know anything about electra, didnt know she was killed by BE.
Cause he killed her... I think you underestimate how much psychological trauma that caused her. Even years and years after the fact other villains have played off of what Bullseye did to her to get under her skin.