Originally posted by Burning thought
Your making up nonsense again, nobody is concentrating at all, Kains simply moving his hand and moebius is in the air, his staff was in the air etc. And now your saying kain couldnt TK dante just because he is flying? I hope you have a good explanation for this.....And that video does not display the Agni/Rudra fire whirlwind......thats just the fire explosion, the whirewind is when he has both of them in front of him and spins them, creating a whirewind in front of him, if you talking about that move then it has next to zero range...thats useless against Kain in mist form or any form tbh.
Prove he can automatically do it. Dante isn't some damn stick. He can't TK if he is moving.
There is no fire explosion. Besides, Dante attack immatariel beings, so he fails right there. Aparently you didn't look at it. Besides...you claimed it took as long as Kratos when he casts tornados.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Prove he can automatically do it. Dante isn't some damn stick. He can't TK if he is moving.There is no fire explosion. Besides, Dante attack immatariel beings, so he fails right there. Aparently you didn't look at it. Besides...you claimed it took as long as Kratos when he casts tornados.
Just did, Dante having a little run about makes no diffrence on TK.
That was not a tornado, it was just a fiery explosion, theres no tornado until he uses agni and rudra together in front of him, thats the only whirlwind attack Dante has and its got pathetic range so he could never hit Kain, and Kain is not immaterial, hes just tiny mist molecules so he cant be slashed, stabbed etc.
As I said he has to focus. He can just TK right off the bat.
Didn't you see the damn wind? Anyway, it's not like Kain could hit Dante, soon as he moves, he will use his tornado.
im·ma·te·ri·al
im·ma·te·ri·al [ìmmə tree əl]
adj
2. having no physical substance: not made of matter or not physically real
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He just did, points his hand and thats that, all he has to do is think, if that and Dante is quick but not as fast as the speed of thought. Show me Dantes "tornado" all his moves are extremely short ranged, hes going to need guns to even try and hit Kain.
And mist is physically real so that ****s up your statement doesnt it.....
Originally posted by Burning thought
He just did, points his hand and thats that, all he has to do is think, if that and Dante is quick but not as fast as the speed of thought. Show me Dantes "tornado" all his moves are extremely short ranged, hes going to need guns to even try and hit Kain.And mist is physically real so that ****s up your statement doesnt it.....
That doesn't mean he wasn't focusing. He could've just TKed him right off the bat, but didn't. He has to focus, and he can't do it at the speed of Dante.
Originally posted by Burning Thought Kain can also go Immaterial/ethereal and using a combination of teleport and his floating can almost fly
How is mist physical? So you're bascially saying a ghost is physical?
Originally posted by Gumachi
That doesn't mean he wasn't focusing. He could've just TKed him right off the bat, but didn't. He has to focus, and he can't do it at the speed of Dante.How is mist physical? So you're bascially saying a ghost is physical?
What doesnt mean he wasnt focusing? the fact that he just moved his hand and in a split second had Moebius under control and his staff acros the room....and Dantes speed has no reckoning on TK so I dont think you understand what you are saying.
Mist is physical ffs......and a ghost is not made up out of mist os what bullshit is this? just because mist is tiny droplets of vapour and water does not mean its any less physical....
Why would them moving make a diffrence on TK, the only diffrence is if a beings strength is as high as Kratos.
He can turn into mist is what I meant, although he can go immaterial to a degree using Malachais power but according to you this is not Kain after he has absorbed Raziel so he can become mist. Mist is just water vapour as I said, just because you cant grab it doesnt mean its not physical, water is still physical......
When could you TK someone when they were moving fast? If someone was to hit Moebius, and if Moebius dropped, that means Kain would be focusing on him(which he was).
When could he go immaterial? Water isn't anyhing like mist. Mist is a phenomenon of small droplets suspended in air. It can occur as part of natural weather or volcanic activity, and is common in cold air above warmer water, in exhaled air in the cold, and in a steam room of a sauna. It can also be created artificially with aerosol canisters if the humidity conditions are right.
Originally posted by Gumachi
When has he ever TKed someone right off the bat? It's impossible to TK without focusing, even if it is little focus. If doesn't, how come when he TARGETS someone, and he stays focused on them?Prove it's physical(which you haven't told me yet).
In that video, and he doesnt, he can use telekinetic shackles to keep a foe in TK chains while he can walk away.
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/attackkain.php
"Reinforcing my brute telekinetic abilities with exact technique I am able to temporarily shackle my enemies in mid air with chains of force."
Sigh, your such a child, ill have to prove that Kains sword, his fist, hell you go and prove Dante is physical.....daft.water is physical, air is physical, mist thereforce is physical.
First of all everyone completely blows Kratos' strength out of proportion. Yes the Gods are very strong but Look up your history people the Greek Gods were very strong and tough but even they considered Hercules to be ridiculously strong. So I'd guage Kratos at Hercules Level at God Strength. Now then saying that Kratos could just stomp the hell out of Dante and Kain in his massive lumbering form is just ridiculous. First of all being that big would make him relatively clumsy. It's like a person trying to swat the damn annoying fly that won't go away and fails because it is too small and fast. Also at that size it just makes a bigger target for Kain to steal his soul. Next if He was regular size which makes more sense because I think it would be more entertaining from his point of view, he would probably still be pretty evenly matched though I would still have to say kain has a slight advantage in the manuverability department as does Dante with their teleports. Also the argument that he stole the Sisters of Fates powers is completely basis the only proven fact is that Kratos took over the loom of fate not the powers of the fates themselves to send himself back in time. It is not an at will thing it is more along the lines of most people know how to use a microwave not necessarily how to build one that works. Anyways I'd say Kain would probably in the end kill Kratos with the Soul Reaver he has way to much experience and variety of powers to be overcome by Kratos's raw strength and agression. Now onto Dante and Kain. Dante and Kain are probably smart enough to identify the "God" as the biggest threat and would probably try and take him down first not barring eachother as fair game if the opportunity were to present itself. Anyways Overall I would have to give the fight to Dante. Dante is probably one of the worst matchups for Kain. His Devil Trigger probably gives him the biggest advantage as well as the various guns and weapons he has. Even without guns his ease of teleportation and limited time warping allows him to put the battle into his favor into an attrition of endurance. I'm a big fan of Kain but I have to say Dante has the best chance of winning this one because while Kain probably has the better variety of powers Dante just has the counters to them. Hell he has the counter to most powers i.e. teleport instantaneously 5 steps to the left 😄.