Kratos & Dante vs Kain

Originally posted by Gumachi
Space has nonething to do with this. Space might not even exist in God of W ar. Your not making sence, that has nonething to do with lifting up the Earth. The lifted up the Earth. End of story.

NO feats suggest it, only oppose it, as I said, ill come back when you have evidence since ime just wasting my time if I just sit here with you constantly stating without evidence bullshit when everything goes against you.

Originally posted by Phanteros
hades is the god of the underworld. what you expected? and Kain didn't even fought the whole continent.

Expected what? none of the Gods have near to Earth defeating feats, so I dont know what your getting at, by the conclusion that Atlas has Earth lifting strength, his slam on the ground should have smashed it wide open or cracked the whole world in two, or at least slaughtered Hades, not even Zeus has close to world lifting strength so assuming Hades does is absurd, he overpowered Atlas AND then ripped out his soul, therefore Atlas has no Earth lifting feats.

How would you know he didnt? and furthermore thats unimportant, he defeated the EG which consistsof that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
NO feats suggest it, only oppose it, as I said, ill come back when you have evidence since ime just wasting my time if I just sit here with you constantly stating without evidence bullshit when everything goes against you.

You mean the pathetic ass squid with no feats? Lifting up the Earth has nonething to do with feats. Get the **** outta here, man. Aparently you don't have evidence, either. Dumbass.

Knock it off with the namecalling. You've been told this before. Consider that a warning.

Originally posted by Burning thought
NO feats suggest it, only oppose it, as I said, ill come back when you have evidence since ime just wasting my time if I just sit here with you constantly stating without evidence bullshit when everything goes against you.

Expected what? none of the Gods have near to Earth defeating feats, so I dont know what your getting at, by the conclusion that Atlas has Earth lifting strength, his slam on the ground should have smashed it wide open or cracked the whole world in two, or at least slaughtered Hades, not even Zeus has close to world lifting strength so assuming Hades does is absurd, he overpowered Atlas AND then ripped out his soul, therefore Atlas has no Earth lifting feats.

How would you know he didnt? and furthermore thats unimportant, he defeated the EG which consistsof that.

Dante and Kratos have something that Kain doesn't... Battle speed. Kratos may be slow as Kain but he has a faster battle speed with the blades. Dante is agile enough to avoid the reaver. Raziel is the ONLY reason why Kain was able to even get to the Elder God. without him Kain will be clueless as hell.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Hades is the god of the underworld master of souls he doesn't need strength to out brute Atlas. Skill sets we didn't even seen the whole fight. and judging by how everything is ravaged it must be a hell of a fight. Plus zeus threw a mountain on a giant. you know the level where you have to find prometeus. and before you say that there is no feat to suggest that the mountain was thrown by zeus, typhon, the name of the giant, was created by gaia to kill zeus in mythology and when Zeus returned from edgpt he gain strength to throw the mountain on him. the characters are are based on their mythic counter parts just eviler.

Yes he does, he defeated Atlas and pulled him to the ground, that requires strength, having power over souls means nothing with pulling someone to the ground otherwise Kain by your logic could physically overpower Kratos.

As i said, the world would be split in two, weve seen Atlas smash the ground in the battle, if he had the strength to lift the planet that ground would have shattered the world, it did hardly anything but cause a small wave of destruction.

Their based on but their a completly diffrent fiction altogether, you cannot take one feat and combine it with another, just because a being is based on something does not mean it gains all the respective powers of that element that its based on.

Originally posted by Phanteros
Dante and Kratos have something that Kain doesn't... Battle speed. Kratos may be slow as Kain but he has a faster battle speed with the blades. Dante is agile enough to avoid the reaver. Raziel is the ONLY reason why Kain was able to even get to the Elder God. without him Kain will be clueless as hell.

Not true if Kain has one of his time slowing powers up and Kains teleportation powers, especially the dimentional variant is more than enough.

No, the Balance guardians combined power that Raziel purified Kains sight with allowed him to see and hit Elder.

dante has time slowing powers as well as dimensional teleportation powers along with dimensional licing powers to cut physical things................

His time slowing powers are far more limited because they use the same energy that powers his DT, thus he can only choose and once hes run out of power he cant even DT or use those powers. Show me his dimentional teleportation and slicing powers......

same with kain, he cant keep up time slowing indefinately, and those limitations, like the limitaions on devil trigger are gameplay and in super mode, he can do it indefinately.

air trick- a move in dmc3 and 4 makes you teleport behind the enemy in whichever way you choose.

yamato cuts through dimensions with each slice aending a dimensional ditortion in the direction of the slice as well as two moves called slash dimensions. game database descrition - create a vortex of dimensional cuts.

i gave videos in quite afew other threads. i cud look them up if you really want them.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
same with kain, he cant keep up time slowing indefinately, and those limitations, like the limitaions on devil trigger are gameplay and in super mode, he can do it indefinately.

air trick- a move in dmc3 and 4 makes you teleport behind the enemy in whichever way you choose.

yamato cuts through dimensions with each slice aending a dimensional ditortion in the direction of the slice as well as two moves called slash dimensions. game database descrition - create a vortex of dimensional cuts.

i gave videos in quite afew other threads. i cud look them up if you really want them.

He could just start the time powers again so technically he can. Their not just gameplay, Dante states quite clearly in DMC 3 that he has a power supply on DT, regardless, you cant assume he can stay in DT for long because he has never done so.

Thats not dimentional teleport, thats just a typical teleporting move and its extremely short ranged and low scale.

News flash, Dante does not have Yamato

He stayed long when he fought Mundus. QS can't be limited, why would it be?

He also teleports in DMC4, if I remember correctly. Dante losing "devil power" when he QSs is (a) gameplay (mechanic). Chrono's Heart, Bangle of Time, or QS 😄

BT: If the player uses a weapon, canoncially, then they're allowed to use it. Dante used Yamato, canoncially, so he can use it in debates(Terry already said something about this).

How would you know? you dont even have a cinematic of how long he took to fight Mundus in canon, we simply know that his DT was gone after the first fight. QS cant be limited? explain why.....its a power like all his others, and all his others have certain limts.

As I said, Dante has outlined that DT has power source when in DMC 3 he touches that soul orb and it gives him great power which is represented by infnite DT. But I dont even have to debate that point, the fact Dante has never stayed in his DT mode for a long duration means it is limited anyway.

QS lasts extremely short time as well.

Caonically Dante no longer has Yamato, the blade itself is passed on to Nero at the end of DMC 4, meaning Dante canonically does not have that weapon at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-a4wGE2po&feature=related

3:34 slash dimension yamato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vtkm3SSK38

dante yamato dimensional cut cutscene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwUWTRTlJQ&feature=related

the guy in the video uses air trick{teleportation } a bunch of times if you can see it, and no it isnt just a gameplay move as it is specifically a part of the development and mentioned in the in game database as teleportation.

It took his soul away, and that has nonething to do with infinite DT. Explain him staying in infinite DT when he fought Mundus. As said by Charlotte, that was too much power. Your still not proving how it isn't infinite(when it was).

I'd say it lasts for 10-15 secs(even though it is infinite). I mean, the game would be too easy if it was infinite(minus the Super Dante).

I allowed Dante to have all abilities. Saying that would be like saying Kain can't use his abilities in BO.

all teleportation is dimensional. turning intangible and appearing sumwhere else isnt true teleportation.

the orbs are gameplay, dante when enraged has remained in devil trigger canonically indefinately as seen in his fight against mundus in devil may cry 1. and he can also stay in that mode indefinately in super dante mode as well as indefinate time slow powers.

kain can not use it without pause repeatedly.

dante has all the weapons he had, whether he chooses to use them or not is upto him. amd yamato is stored in hammer space and appears whenever its called on, he doesnt have to have it on his body to use it.

Originally posted by Gumachi
It took his soul away, and that has nonething to do with infinite DT. Explain him staying in infinite DT when he fought Mundus.

I'd say it lasts for 10-15 secs(even though it is infinite). I mean, the game would be too easy if it was infinite(minus the Super Dante).

No it slowly drained his soul, in replace for power and obviously youve not played the level then because that gives you infnite DT. He didnt stay in infnite DT at all, his Mundus fight had an unkown time strapped onto it.

It doesnt last that long, prob 8 seconds at max.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-a4wGE2po&feature=related

3:34 slash dimension yamato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vtkm3SSK38

dante yamato dimensional cut cutscene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwUWTRTlJQ&feature=related

the guy in the video uses air trick{teleportation } a bunch of times if you can see it, and no it isnt just a gameplay move as it is specifically a part of the development and mentioned in the in game database as teleportation.

As I said, Dante does not even canonically have that weapon anymore.

That video does not actually prove anything, apart from the fact Dantes only teleport is probably slower than his usual speed....

all non intagibilit based teleportation is dimensional. to argue this is useless.

he has the weapon as it is always in hammer space and can come whenever called upon unless sum1 else worthy fforcibly keeps it in their posession. to argue that he doesnt have use of it in this fight, is to show obvious bias to weaken to opposition as no1 sane wud say that dante doesnt have access to yamato in a vs.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No it slowly drained his soul, in replace for power and obviously youve not played the level then because that gives you infnite DT. He didnt stay in infnite DT at all, his Mundus fight had an unkown time strapped onto it.

It doesnt last that long, prob 8 seconds at max.

Mission 12. In exchange for his soul, it gives him power(this was Dante's weakest incarnation btw), just because he was in DT, doesn't mean he didn't actually get power. Play DMC, he stay in infinite DT, until you defeat Mundus.

It does; I timed it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
all teleportation is dimensional. turning intangible and appearing sumwhere else isnt true teleportation.

the orbs are gameplay, dante when enraged has remained in devil trigger canonically indefinately as seen in his fight against mundus in devil may cry 1. and he can also stay in that mode indefinately in super dante mode as well as indefinate time slow powers.

kain can not use it without pause repeatedly.

dante has all the weapons he had, whether he chooses to use them or not is upto him. amd yamato is stored in hammer space and appears whenever its called on, he doesnt have to have it on his body to use it.

Moving through dimension teleporting is a diffrent type than displacing your molecules/particles.

The orb in DMC 3 is a cinematic cutscene where he holds a small green orb and Jester explains how it sucks souls in replace for power, this gives him infnite DT. Mundus fight shows no infnite DT at all, he doesnt even have it in the next part of the fight.

It prob takes about a split second to activate, its not even worth mentioning such a limit on its usage.

As i said, Dante in canon does not have it, he gives it to Nero at the end of DMC 4, he no longer has the sword.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Mission 12. In exchange for his soul, it gives him power(this was Dante's weakest incarnation btw), just because he was in DT, doesn't mean he didn't actually get power. Play DMC, he stay in infinite DT, until you defeat Mundus.

It does; I timed it.

Wtf are you talking about, you just proved my point, he requires extra power from items such as that little orb to have infnite DT, thus....obvioulsy he doesnt have infnite DT by default. So? thats what gameplay is, its funny how you claim how the time you can stay in DT is gameplay, then you use gameplay to claim its infnite...ridiculous, and I can defeat Mundus in a few minutes, so obvioulsy thats not infnite DT...

No canon showing has Dante with unlimited DT usage.