Kratos & Dante vs Kain

Originally posted by Burning thought
Trickster style obviously is not true teleportation then....as said, no canon shows infnite DT, their all limited.

In canon Dante stays in DT for very short amounts of time, there is no canon showing him in DT for long periods.

I know what it means, but what ime saying is that you created it in the DMCverse, its nothing to do with DMC, Yamato is a physical blade that the characters use, theres no "disapearing" unless your talking about gameplay lol....

So in conclusion, in the battle we have Dante who cant sustain his time powers or even his enhanced DT, thus losing a lot of his power regardless of which he chooses to use and Kratos standing gormless miles away from the main fight because he has no way of following a pair of teleporters. This is spite in kains favour because Kain wipes out Dante with ease anyway and Kratos on their own, you should give Kratos enigma rune suit out of the Diablo series to wear, which will give him teleport.

it OBVIOUSLY does as i have proven with evidence while you have given none. show molecular dispersion or concede dimensional teleportation, there is no debate here.

you are referring to gameplay, in cannon he remains in it indefinately as seen in dmc1 and proven, stop arguing without evidence.

no you didnt, your lying and here is proof.

sounds like a term you invented

it ISNT gameplay, 1:56 the sword goes back into nero's hammer space in the cutscene so its cannon.

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ofcourse, this proves that you havent played devil may cry...

Originally posted by Burning thought
I just did, all I see is Sparda in his human form, nothing to do with Vergil who looks completly diffrent in his blue jacket.

As i said, unlockable game content is not canon nor is it part of the storyline, its just a goodie you can unlock. You can unlock invincibiliy in some games, as well as cheats, that does not make it canon in those games.

Obviously you weren't paying attention.

Yeah, and? Infinite DT is canon. You can unlock infinite reaver charge, doesn't mean it's canon, either. Those are just gameplay mechanics, infinite DT is not.

BTW, you claim Dante can't use Yamato, but Kratos' powers from God of War are used, and he lost those powers...canoncially.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it OBVIOUSLY does as i have proven with evidence while you have given none. show molecular dispersion or concede dimensional teleportation, there is no debate here.

you are referring to gameplay, in cannon he remains in it indefinately as seen in dmc1 and proven, stop arguing without evidence.

no you didnt, your lying and here is proof. no1 can know the meaning of a term they think sum1 else has INVENTED. start accepting your faults already.

it ISNT gameplay, 1:56 the sword goes back into nero's hammer space in the cutscene so its cannon.

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ofcourse, this proves that you havent played devil may cry...

The burdon of proof is on you, a gameplay video displaying unkown methods of very short ranged teleportation which is fairly slow means nothing.

show me him remianing indefinaltey in DT

Theres no "hammerspace" stated in the DMC universe so your "inventing" the whole thing being in the DMC unvierse, theres no "hammerspace" in that fiction, just because its in animes or elseware does not mean it excists in DMC.

Weve seen Yamato as physcal object in many many areas, both used by Dante, Vergil and Nero, and I dont see a video there...you must have posted it wrong.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Obviously you weren't paying attention.

Yeah, and? Infinite DT is canon. You can unlock infinite reaver charge, doesn't mean it's canon, either. Those are just gameplay mechanics, infinite DT is not.

BTW, you claim Dante can't use Yamato, but Kratos powers from GOWI are used, and he lost those powers...canoncially.

obvioulsy you blundered

infnite DT is nothing but something you get from an uncanon unclockable costume, in the canon, DT is never infnite. 🙂

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it OBVIOUSLY does as i have proven with evidence while you have given none. show molecular dispersion or concede dimensional teleportation, there is no debate here.

you are referring to gameplay, in cannon he remains in it indefinately as seen in dmc1 and proven, stop arguing without evidence.

no you didnt, your lying and here is proof. no1 can know the meaning of a term they think sum1 else has INVENTED. start accepting your faults already.

it ISNT gameplay, 1:56 the sword goes back into nero's hammer space in the cutscene so its cannon.

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ofcourse, this proves that you havent played devil may cry...

*Fixed the video link.

Originally posted by Burning thought
obvioulsy you blundered

infnite DT is nothing but something you get from an uncanon unclockable costume, in the canon, DT is never infnite. 🙂

No.

Actually is it. You have to prove it isn't. Which you still haven't. And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT. Charlotte Debel: "That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also)"

no it isnt, teleportation is defined as dimensional. its an axiom, to challenge the definition of words puts the burden of proof on you. show me its molecular dispersal or concede to the default definition of telportation, which is dimensional.

first round of fight against mudus which you have seen before. proven

so again, you dont know the definition. there is also no AIR in dmc fiction, yet it inevitably exist as an axiom of the world. disappearing and reappearing of items without being on the person is a direct reference to hammerspace, your comeback ic pathetic. hammerspace is an informal term like MAGIC or SUPERNATURAL which is used to descrive the paradigm of the fictional world. yamato's behaviour proves it exist in dmcverse. no debate here.

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it isnt gameplay, 4:05 it teleports to hammerspace. its cannon. and you havent played dmc.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no it isn't, teleportation is defined as dimensional. its an axiom, to challenge the definition of words puts the burden of proof on you. show me its molecular dispersal or concede to the default definition of telportation, which is dimensional.

first round of fight against mudus which you have seen before. proven

so again, you don't know the definition. there is also no AIR in dmc fiction, yet it inevitably exist as an axiom of the world. disappearing and reappearing of items without being on the person is a direct reference to hammerspace, your comeback ic pathetic. hammerspace is an informal term like MAGIC or SUPERNATURAL which is used to descrive the paradigm of the fictional world. yamato's behaviour proves it exist in dmcverse. no debate here.

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it isn't gameplay, 4:05 it teleports to hammerspace. its cannon. and you havent played dmc.

Show me your definition, there is no definition that ive seen that claims Teleportation is always dimensional at all.

Ive played it, as I said, I can complete it in minutes, theres no infnity of time and furthermore its gameplay your basing this on.

Hammerspace is a fictional term, you cant add fictional rules from one universe to another without that universe adding it. You cant claim something is magical or supernatural in one universe without them pointing it out, you cant claim just because something happens beyond reality in a fiction that its immediately magic or supernatural, for example I cant claim every act in the luny toons or tom and Jerry that is beyond real physics as magic or supernatural powerz!

Prove it teleports to hammerspace, I think its just absorbed into his arm which is why his arm glows, if the sword just disapeared by itself then maybe you would have a point IF the DMC universe accepted hammerspace, what hammerspace is, is simply the explanation for usually gameplay objects appearing from thin air, e.g. items in most first person shooters, when a charatcer has access to a lot of weapons that do not fit on his/her person, this is not the case in DMC, Yamato as shown in every DMC is an actual sword that has an actual holster.

That still however does not point to Dante having the weapon anyway. its like saying Kain will access hammerspace and pull out Yamato.....

Originally posted by Gumachi
No.

Actually is it. You have to prove it isn't. Which you still haven't. And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT. Charlotte Debel: "That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also)"

I don't have to prove something isn't, that's called a burden of proof fallacy, you have the burden of proof because its your claim that it is infinite, nothing suggests it is, therefore until you prove it is, it is not infinite...understand? 🙂 I don't have to disprove your negatives.

BT, aparently your dumbass doesn't like to listen. I'm tired of listenting to your dumbass making stupid arguments. It's already been proven, and the aura is proof enough. Your being a dumbass, it's infinite, and now you wanna make up stupid points. You keep saying the same stupid shit, **********. Aparently your ass can't prove it. Thanks for proving my point. You can't prove it's infinite, i'm defending, and you have to prove it isn't infinite(offence). All you do is same the same shit, because you know i'm right. Peace, mother****er. Now go ahead and report me; run to your little mods, because you know you can't handle me.

Originally posted by Gumachi
BT, aparently your dumbass doesn't like to listen. I'm tired of listenting to your dumbass making stupid arguments. It's already been proven, and the aura is proof enough. Your being a dumbass, it's infinite, and now you wanna make up stupid points. You keep saying the same stupid shit, **********. Aparently your ass can't prove it. Thanks for proving my point. You can't prove it's infinite, i'm defending, and you have to prove it isn't infinite(offence). All you do is same the same shit, because you know i'm right. Peace, mother****er. Now go ahead and report me; run to your little mods, because you know you can't handle me.

Originally posted by Gumachi
BT, aparently your dumbass doesn't like to listen. I'm tired of listenting to your dumbass making stupid arguments. It's already been proven, and the aura is proof enough. Your being a dumbass, it's infinite, and now you wanna make up stupid points. You keep saying the same stupid shit, **********. Aparently your ass can't prove it. Thanks for proving my point. You can't prove it's infinite, i'm defending, and you have to prove it isn't infinite(offence). All you do is same the same shit, because you know i'm right. Peace, mother****er. Now go ahead and report me; run to your little mods, because you know you can't handle me.

Theres no proof at all, you would have to be damn foolish to think a random Aura is proof of infnite DT, nothing in DMC proves he has infnite DT, and from what youe said before, youve never even played DMC 4 and ive played and had experiance with both GOW series, DMC series AND ofc LOK, I know full well he does not have infnite DT.

Originally posted by Gumachi
BT, aparently your dumbass doesn't like to listen. I'm tired of listenting to your dumbass making stupid arguments. It's already been proven, and the aura is proof enough. Your being a dumbass, it's infinite, and now you wanna make up stupid points. You keep saying the same stupid shit, **********. Aparently your ass can't prove it. Thanks for proving my point. You can't prove it's infinite, i'm defending, and you have to prove it isn't infinite(offence). All you do is same the same shit, because you know i'm right. Peace, mother****er. Now go ahead and report me; run to your little mods, because you know you can't handle me.

I warned you just yesterday about this behavior.

Time for a time out.

Originally posted by Peach
I warned you just yesterday about this behavior.

Time for a time out.

😆 Don't disrespect Mama Peach's rules. 😉

Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me your definition, there is no definition that ive seen that claims Teleportation is always dimensional at all.

Ive played it, as I said, I can complete it in minutes, theres no infnity of time and furthermore its gameplay your basing this on.

Hammerspace is a fictional term, you cant add fictional rules from one universe to another without that universe adding it. You cant claim something is magical or supernatural in one universe without them pointing it out, you cant claim just because something happens beyond reality in a fiction that its immediately magic or supernatural, for example I cant claim every act in the luny toons or tom and Jerry that is beyond real physics as magic or supernatural powerz!

Prove it teleports to hammerspace, I think its just absorbed into his arm which is why his arm glows, if the sword just disapeared by itself then maybe you would have a point [b]IF the DMC universe accepted hammerspace, what hammerspace is, is simply the explanation for usually gameplay objects appearing from thin air, e.g. items in most first person shooters, when a charatcer has access to a lot of weapons that do not fit on his/her person, this is not the case in DMC, Yamato as shown in every DMC is an actual sword that has an actual holster.

That still however does not point to Dante having the weapon anyway. its like saying Kain will access hammerspace and pull out Yamato.....

I don't have to prove something isn't, that's called a burden of proof fallacy, you have the burden of proof because its your claim that it is infinite, nothing suggests it is, therefore until you prove it is, it is not infinite...understand? 🙂 I don't have to disprove your negatives. [/B]

doesnt matter how long you can complete it in, that is gameplay. cannon cutscenes and non mechanics say that it stays indefinately and this isproven when you can keep flying while having no DT. you fail

you havent seen any definition of teleportation nor do you know much about physics. regaurdless, teleportation is dimensional. axiom, dont debate this.

hammer space is a term you knew nuthing about until a second ago. it exists not only in gaming but in phsics, its the physical definition i was referring to. i dont have to prove anything, if any1 can make a tangible weapon appear and disappear at moment's notice without teleporting it away in the same world then its hyperspace, axiom, deal with it. plus, dante does it too without the devil arm so your wrong. ofcourse, if you had played the game...........

again, this is a pathetic argument to take away obvious powers of characters which no1 but you wud use in a debate. as i said, dante gets all his powers including sparda, reguardless of any fanboy's whining. and even if we look at it from your point of view, hammerspace proves that he has acces to it whenever he pleases. stop debating facts.

as for the burden of proof, proof ha been provided, and the correct term is negetive evidence fallacy or russel's teapot.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
😆 Don't disrespect Mama Peach's rules. 😉

dude....... she isnt even in her late twenties...................... dont wanna mess with a woman's age......

Originally posted by leonheartmm
doesnt matter how long you can complete it in, that is gameplay. cannon cutscenes and non mechanics say that it stays indefinately and this isproven when you can keep flying while having no DT. you fail

you havent seen any definition of teleportation nor do you know much about physics. regaurdless, teleportation is dimensional. axiom, dont debate this.

hammer space is a term you knew nuthing about until a second ago. it exists not only in gaming but in phsics, its the physical definition i was referring to. i dont have to prove anything, if any1 can make a tangible weapon appear and disappear at moment's notice without teleporting it away in the same world then its hyperspace, axiom, deal with it. plus, dante does it too without the devil arm so your wrong. ofcourse, if you had played the game...........

again, this is a pathetic argument to take away obvious powers of characters which no1 but you wud use in a debate. as i said, dante gets all his powers including sparda, reguardless of any fanboy's whining. and even if we look at it from your point of view, hammerspace proves that he has acces to it whenever he pleases. stop debating facts.

as for the burden of proof, proof ha been provided, and the correct term is negetive evidence fallacy or russel's teapot.

The whole amount of time you fight Mundus is gameplay in that first area, there is no cutscene, the only cutscene is Dante flying to meet Mundus and the end, when Dante is defeated and loses his DT at the end of his fight....so no, theres no proof of infnite DT at all.

Ofcourse I have, show me your defintion or quit trolling me

It doesnt excist at all, its fictional and is a name given to a fictional activity.

Its not really an argument, ime just stating facts, Dante does not have Yamato, fact....giving a weapon he doesnt have in the canon of the game is ridiculous, but sure "zomg Kain pulls out the Infinity Gauntlet out of Hammerspace!"

Theres no proof at all, your assuming that Hammerspace exists in DMC, your assuming theres no other explanation, your assuming Dante has infnite DT without any evidence.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The whole amount of time you fight Mundus is gameplay in that first area, there is no cutscene, the only cutscene is Dante flying to meet Mundus and the end, when Dante is defeated and loses his DT at the end of his fight....so no, theres no proof of infnite DT at all.

Ofcourse I have, show me your defintion or quit trolling me

It doesnt excist at all, its fictional and is a name given to a fictional activity.

Its not really an argument, ime just stating facts, Dante does not have Yamato, fact....giving a weapon he doesnt have in the canon of the game is ridiculous, but sure "zomg Kain pulls out the Infinity Gauntlet out of Hammerspace!"

Theres no proof at all, your assuming that Hammerspace exists in DMC, your assuming theres no other explanation, your assuming Dante has infnite DT without any evidence.

except the cutcene in which date turns into the flying demon. cannon. the time is a variable gameplay mechanic and doesnt count. you lose

no you havent. teleportation=instantaneously moving from one point in space to another point in space without travelling the distance in the middle on account of travelling through dimensional space higher than three.

its physical if you know about physics. but you dont. and it exists because of the described behavior of the weapon, which makes it an axiom. to dispute an axiom puts the burden of proof on you and you havent delivered, stop playing games.

pathetic argument and pathetic condition. its part of the game and his powerset, hammerspace makes it available reguardless. your arguing against axioms, either provide evidence or concede your loss.

give me another explanation backed by cannon database or physical axiomix evidence. otherwise, you fail.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
except the cutcene in which date turns into the flying demon. cannon. the time is a variable gameplay mechanic and doesnt count. you lose

no you havent. teleportation=instantaneously moving from one point in space to another point in space without travelling the distance in the middle on account of travelling through dimensional space higher than three.

its physical if you know about physics. but you dont. and it exists because of the described behavior of the weapon, which makes it an axiom. to dispute an axiom puts the burden of proof on you and you havent delivered, stop playing games.

pathetic argument and pathetic condition. its part of the game and his powerset, hammerspace makes it available reguardless. your arguing against axioms, either provide evidence or concede your loss.

give me another explanation backed by cannon database or physical axiomix evidence. otherwise, you fail.

So? he turns into a flying demon ,that does not mean its infnite. Not at all...

Traveling instanteously does not mean its going through another dimension.

As I said, ill wait until you provide some evidence, youve made a lot of claims, simply no evidence, and considering Ive played DMC 1 through 4 I know theres no hammerspace, I know theres a physical sword called Yamato that is continually physical, I know that in canon Dante does not have Yamato anymore either, he gives it to Nero.

So according to provided evidence, Dante has limited DT, QS, no use of Yamato and Kratos is useless in the battle anyway. Ill w8 until someone can provide a debate with evidence.

he is in devil trigger then and that last indefinately. completion time ids gameplay mechanics. proven

yes it does, read some physics. axiom. proven

no you havent, since you didnt know it materialised out of gameplay. ive given you video which shows this. axiom, such behaviour represents hammer space. proven. dont debate this anymore

no accoring to your reasoning which is bullshit. a pathetic argument as i said, and no1 is accepting it. hammerspace usurps the agrument anyway and infintie devol trigger is cannon. proven. kain loses.

Kratos and Dante stomp badly when together /thread.