Obviously he does. It's in one of the cutscenes in DMC. That's not proving it's infinite. That doesn't prove anything, infact if you were to take his soul away, it would leave his DT. Obviously his stronger form is his devil side.
Play DMC. Why wouldn't it be infinite? Even Nelo-Angelo stayed in his "devil trigger" form when you encountered him.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Obviously he does. It's in one of the cutscenes in DMC. That's not proving it's infinite. That doesn't prove anything, infact if you were to take his soul away, it would leave his DT. Obviously his stronger form is his devil side.Play DMC. Why wouldn't it be infinite? Even Nelo-Angelo stayed in his "devil trigger" form when you encountered him.
It proves he does not have infnite DT
That looks nothing like his DT form and furthermore he is empowered by Mundus, he is Mundus' servant at that point.
Vergils DT:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa71/deyvimaycry/devilmaycry3se/Vergildt.jpg
Nelo:
Originally posted by Burning thought
Moving through dimension teleporting is a diffrent type than displacing your molecules/particles.The orb in DMC 3 is a cinematic cutscene where he holds a small green orb and Jester explains how it sucks souls in replace for power, this gives him infnite DT. Mundus fight shows no infnite DT at all, he doesnt even have it in the next part of the fight.
It prob takes about a split second to activate, its not even worth mentioning such a limit on its usage.
As i said, Dante in canon does not have it, he gives it to Nero at the end of DMC 4, he no longer has the sword.
WRONG. TELEPORTION is the INSTANEOUS movement of matter/energy from one place to another WITHOUT COVERING THE DISTANCE IN BETWEEN. molecular dispersion is NOT teleportation. what dante does is teleport, not molecular dispersion as molecular dispersion has progrssion while dante BEEPS OUT.
he has it in the first and without it, he cudnt FLY through the dimensional battle field. nough said, no more debate on this.
but that FACT of its deactivation is evidence enough.
this is a pathetic argument which is a very transparent attempt at trying to tip the battle against dante just a little bit more. and as i said, yamato exists in hammer space and can be called on by its user instantaneously.
Originally posted by Burning thought
It proves he does not have infnite DTThat looks nothing like his DT form and furthermore he is empowered by Mundus, he is Mundus' servant at that point.
Vergils DT:
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa71/deyvimaycry/devilmaycry3se/Vergildt.jpg
Nelo:
actually, nelo angelo is the SPECIAL devil trigger of vergil in the extended version where he truly acheives the peak of his power. they look IDENTICAL.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
WRONG. TELEPORTION is the INSTANEOUS movement of matter/energy from one place to another WITHOUT COVERING THE DISTANCE IN BETWEEN. molecular dispersion is NOT teleportation. what dante does is teleport, not molecular dispersion as molecular dispersion has progrssion while dante BEEPS OUT.he has it in the first and without it, he cudnt FLY through the dimensional battle field. nough said, no more debate on this.
but that FACT of its deactivation is evidence enough.
this is a pathetic argument which is a very transparent attempt at trying to tip the battle against dante just a little bit more. and as i said, yamato exists in hammer space and can be called on by its user instantaneously.
Thats what transporting molecules is, the matter/energy, although the intantaneous nature is set back by the fact Dantes is fairly slow unfortunaltey, thats nothing to do with traveling dimentions.
Show me "infnite" DT, theres nothing proving it at all, just fanfiction.
hammer space? your inventing things, your prob taking things from uncanon mangas and animes or something, this "hammer" space is not mentioned in the DMC series and Yamato certainly is not part of it, simple ,we dont debate Kain with his BO 1 armour and swords, because he does not canonically have them, neither does Dante canonically have Yamato naymore.
Originally posted by Gumachi
Whatever, man. You don't like to listen.Play DMC3. Vergil is in human form, and when you devil trigger, it's Nelo-Angelo. I probably could post a vid.
I just posted the two images that prove you wrong so dont bother.
zzydMLP4Fjw&feature=related And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT. Charlotte Debel: "That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also)"
The image you posted is Sparda, theres no debate about that at all...
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Sparda
its even on that Wikia page. I think your trying to use uncanon unlockable content as canon....sorry but it just is not.
Vergils DMC 3 human form looks nothing like that and his DT form as ive shown looks nothing like Nelo angelo, he is completly diffrent as Nelo Angelo.
Originally posted by Gumachi
zzydMLP4Fjw&feature=related And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats what transporting molecules is, the matter/energy, although the intantaneous nature is set back by the fact Dantes is fairly slow unfortunaltey, thats nothing to do with traveling dimentions.Show me "infnite" DT, theres nothing proving it at all, just fanfiction.
hammer space? your inventing things, your prob taking things from uncanon mangas and animes or something, this "hammer" space is not mentioned in the DMC series and Yamato certainly is not part of it, simple ,we dont debate Kain with his BO 1 armour and swords, because he does not canonically have them, neither does Dante canonically have Yamato naymore.
I just posted the two images that prove you wrong so dont bother.
no it isnt, unless shown to physically disperse, travel and reform, it is dimensional. the speed of gameplay has nuthing to do with this. it is dimensional.
i just did, first fight against mundus, even when we are out devil trigger he stays in his devil form and canonically he wudnt be able to fly and attack if he wasnt in DT. proven. stop debating
let me guess, you dont know what hammer space is so you try to make a lot of insulting stuff up so i wudnt bring it up??? WRONG. dante and nero both in dmc 4 dont CARRY the yamato around, it materialises in their with a blue glow, whole, when they attack with it then disappears completely with the same glow when they are done with the specific attack, hence it exists in hammer space. this was also scene in a cutscene, although i might be mistaken. hence, yamato exists in hammer space.
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:CO1vl1RFH4MtvM <Sparda's human form. Play DMC3, it does. You can even ****ing google it. QFyZu1KwT-4&feature=PlayList&p=6DA81C4291911765&index=45
And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT. Charlotte Debel: "That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also)"
Originally posted by Burning thought
The image you posted is Sparda, theres no debate about that at all...http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/The_Dark_Knight_Sparda
its even on that Wikia page. I think your trying to use uncanon unlockable content as canon....sorry but it just is not.
Vergils DMC 3 human form looks nothing like that and his DT form as ive shown looks nothing like Nelo angelo, he is completly diffrent as Nelo Angelo.
Rofl, wtf, just because Dante has an Aura hes suddenly got infnite DT? that doesnt even make sense Gumachi, ridiculous....
actually it looks EXACTLY like nelo angelo, you just have to unlock it by reaching the height of vergil;s devil trigger power. lotsa true teleportation here too btw.
Originally posted by Gumachi
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:CO1vl1RFH4MtvM <Sparda's human form. Play DMC3, it does. You can even ****ing google it. QFyZu1KwT-4&feature=PlayList&p=6DA81C4291911765&index=45And that "aura" around Dante should be proof that he has infinite DT. Charlotte Debel: "That aura that he gets when he first transforms into the form close to his father's (and which you also get with costumes that give you unlimited DT- proving that the stuff is canonical and the aura appears in relgular DMC storyline also)"
I just did, all I see is Sparda in his human form, nothing to do with Vergil who looks completly diffrent in his blue jacket.
As i said, unlockable game content is not canon nor is it part of the storyline, its just a goodie you can unlock. You can unlock invincibiliy in some games, as well as cheats, that does not make it canon in those games.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
actually it looks EXACTLY like nelo angelo, you just have to unlock it by reaching the height of vergil;s devil trigger power. lotsa true teleportation here too btw.
As i said, an uncanon unlockable, its not part of the plot, its just a bonus costume that you can have.......gameplay is not canon
Originally posted by leonheartmm
no it isnt, unless shown to physically disperse, travel and reform, it is dimensional. the speed of gameplay has nuthing to do with this. it is dimensional.i just did, first fight against mundus, even when we are out devil trigger he stays in his devil form and canonically he wudnt be able to fly and attack if he wasnt in DT. proven. stop debating
let me guess, you dont know what hammer space is so you try to make a lot of insulting stuff up so i wudnt bring it up??? WRONG. dante and nero both in dmc 4 dont CARRY the yamato around, it materialises in their with a blue glow, whole, when they attack with it then disappears completely with the same glow when they are done with the specific attack, hence it exists in hammer space. this was also scene in a cutscene, although i might be mistaken. hence, yamato exists in hammer space.
Your using gameplay as your evidence of what Trickster can do so dont blunder your own evidence by complaining about the speed of gameplay, show me fast teleportation if you want to give it to Dante.
Its a special event whereby we have an unkown amount of time passing when he fights Mundus, the battle even really bad players cant take much longer than a few minutes to defeat Mundus, theres no evidence of infinite DT here, not that how long gameplay allows you to stay in this form is even evidence at all, its just gameplay, imagine if your DT gauge went down in this fight.....
As i said, prove it excists, prove Hammerspace exists in the game, sounds like a term you invented, show me the evidence. Fact still remains, the sword is given to Nero at the end of DMC 4, thus, Dante no longer has the weapon.
it isnt sparda, your eyes are playing tricks on you, its nelo angelo.
not gameplay, its already stated in the in game database and is a part of dante's natural development and a default no unlockable part of vergils's powers from the beginning. therfore cannon. true teleportation wud happen in zero time, which not only can not be seen in gamplay but cant be comprehended by humans, so you have no argument unless you can show molecular dispersion, otherwise, all true teleportation is dimensional.
all the same, in cannon dante never changes back despite our dt guage finishing. no1 can actually see a movie for an infinite amoutn of time, if it stays indefinately, then it is by reason infinite, like kain's ability to use his telekenesis and the time he can hold people up. or the time he can run for without stopping. dont debate this anymore.
so you have proven that you really dont know what it means and were trying to hide it instead of just asking what hammerspace is. no ididnt create it, its a general term in physics and literature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_space
hammerspace exist because of the appearing and disappearing behavior of yamato. proven.
Originally posted by Burning thought
As i said, prove it excists, prove Hammerspace exists in the game, sounds like a term you invented, show me the evidence. Fact still remains, the sword is given to Nero at the end of DMC 4, thus, Dante no longer has the weapon. [/B]
"Magic satchel is a term often used in reference to computer role-playing games. It refers to the use of a character's inventory in the game, which can often contain more items than is physically possible for the character to carry (or are simply too large), without any visible means to hold or transport them.
A similar concept is hammerspace, the term used to describe the seemingly invisible place from which fictional characters, such as cartoon characters, pull out very large objects, such as mallets."
Yeah...
Originally posted by leonheartmm
it isnt sparda, your eyes are playing tricks on you, its nelo angelo.not gameplay, its already stated in the in game database and is a part of dante's natural development and a default no unlockable part of vergils's powers from the beginning. therfore cannon. true teleportation wud happen in zero time, which not only can not be seen in gamplay but cant be comprehended by humans, so you have no argument unless you can show molecular dispersion, otherwise, all true teleportation is dimensional.
all the same, in cannon dante never changes back despite our dt guage finishing. no1 can actually see a movie for an infinite amoutn of time, if it stays indefinately, then it is by reason infinite, like kain's ability to use his telekenesis and the time he can hold people up. or the time he can run for without stopping. dont debate this anymore.
so you have proven that you really dont know what it means and were trying to hide it instead of just asking what hammerspace is. no ididnt create it, its a general term in physics and literature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_space
hammerspace exist because of the appearing and disappearing behavior of yamato. proven.
Trickster style obviously is not true teleportation then....as said, no canon shows infnite DT, their all limited.
In canon Dante stays in DT for very short amounts of time, there is no canon showing him in DT for long periods.
I know what it means, but what ime saying is that you created it in the DMCverse, its nothing to do with DMC, Yamato is a physical blade that the characters use, theres no "disapearing" unless your talking about gameplay lol....
So in conclusion, in the battle we have Dante who cant sustain his time powers or even his enhanced DT, thus losing a lot of his power regardless of which he chooses to use and Kratos standing gormless miles away from the main fight because he has no way of following a pair of teleporters. This is spite in kains favour because Kain wipes out Dante with ease anyway and Kratos on their own, you should give Kratos enigma rune suit out of the Diablo series to wear, which will give him teleport.
