You can't truly quantify near Infinite obviously, but in my opinion seeing what has stopped Cain, a body of near Infinite Mass should stop him.
Wally West said his body's mass is approaching Infinity. Based on the context and how he said it, one can say he can reach Infinite Mass.
Based on that, Wally stops him cold.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYup Celestial technology, and an attack that can drive back Galactus.
You can't truly quantify near Infinite obviously, but in my opinion seeing what has stopped Cain, a body of near Infinite Mass should stop him.Wally West said his body's mass is approaching Infinity. Based on the context and how he said it, one can say he can reach Infinite Mass.
Based on that, Wally stops him cold.
Yup Flash's running really fast attack compares to that. Especially since Flash is lacking a key thing from each one.
That being the mystical/otherworldly properties WWH Hulk and Thor had.
Cain should be able to take Flash's attack fairly reasonable.
That obviously wasn't on the same level as that attack on Galactus.
It was a narrow beam, and Thor was extremely weakened. The God Blast comes from Thor's life force.
Yes a Celestial technology amped Hulk stopped him but the point is, sufficient force has stopped him before in the past.
Celestial technology isn't all powerful either. It has been defeated on a number of occasions.
Speed Force = Otherworldly
Like I said, sufficient force has been shown to stop him in the past, and Infinite Mass is obviously sufficient force.
Flash's body mass was increasing towards Infinity.
How someone can say that can't stop Cain when less has obviously done is something I cannot understand.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThor's 'sickness' was on again off again. With no signs it dampened his abilities when it was off.
That obviously wasn't on the same level as that attack on Galactus.It was a narrow beam, and Thor was extremely weakened. The God Blast comes from Thor's life force.
Yes a Celestial technology amped Hulk stopped him but the point is, sufficient force has stopped him before in the past.
Celestial technology isn't all powerful either. It has been defeated on a number of occasions.
Speed Force = Otherworldly
Like I said, sufficient force has been shown to stop him in the past, and Infinite Mass is obviously sufficient force.
Flash's body mass was increasing towards Infinity.
How someone can say that can't stop Cain when less has obviously done is something I cannot understand.
The key point it that Celestial Technology may not be all poowerful but it would have been able to effect Cain's mystical abilities much like Celestial tech has done in the past. Hence why he could stopped.
Speedforce does = otherwordly. Problem it isn't something proven to effect mystical properties.
And I would point out that Cain hasn't been stopped without there being some kinda of mystical nature or mystical negating ability behind it. Even when confronted with those things Cain has proven more than capable of over coming them like he did with the Godforce blast when he started walking again.
So when something like the Godforce blast can nly stop him because of it's mystical nature and yet he still pushed through it how can Flash stand a chance.
Originally posted by EnyalusNah. He stops him totally, and then flings Juggy away with that whip-like thing on his arm.
That's also not true. 😛 Juggy was being moved backwards slowly, then the floor gave. Do you have the issue to re-read? I could post the scans if not, I'm just feeling really lazy and don't have them already done.
That's possible. Regardless, Hulk virtually stopped Juggy's momentum. Its possible. Flash's IMP would probably do the same. [/B]
War hulk stopped him but didn't push him back just threw him away
Originally posted by Newjak
Thor's 'sickness' was on again off again. With no signs it dampened his abilities when it was off.The key point it that Celestial Technology may not be all poowerful but it would have been able to effect Cain's mystical abilities much like Celestial tech has done in the past. Hence why he could stopped.
Speedforce does = otherwordly. Problem it isn't something proven to effect mystical properties.
And I would point out that Cain hasn't been stopped without there being some kinda of mystical nature or mystical negating ability behind it. Even when confronted with those things Cain has proven more than capable of over coming them like he did with the Godforce blast when he started walking again.
So when something like the Godforce blast can nly stop him because of it's mystical nature and yet he still pushed through it how can Flash stand a chance.
It was clearly on for the most of the entire fight. He could barely stand. It got a lot worse to the point where it kept on going as I recall.
Celestial Technology is still technology and has been overcome in the past just like technology.
I don't recall in that instance it being said that it was negating Cain's mystical abilities etc.
The Speed Force is other worldly and it has been shown to affect beings of mystical properties. So I don't see the problem.
A Thor who was severely sick stopped him a with a narrow beam that was his God Blast.
Cain was able to survive, which gets him a thumbs up but the point is, Cain has been stopped in the past.
There are physical forces in the Universe greater than mystical forces.
A body mass approaching "Infinity" falls under that category.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYou cannot 'reach' something infinite. Wally's mass simply approaches infinity (which still doesn't make sense, as infinity is not some fixed variable.) Anyhow, it should've just been called an 'increasing mass punch' - because drastically increasing his mass (to something akin to that of a white dwarf star,) is all Wally is really doing.
If Wally can reach Infinite Mass, he stops Cain.
More on point, if Juggs (especially 8th Day) gains any sort of forward momentum, I don't see Flash doing much more than bouncing off of him.
Originally posted by Scarlet FoxActually. He can be standing in two parts of world, interacting with different people as if he's a static object there.
Can flash really run half way around the world in a few seconds? A Minute would be more understandable and Juggs would be able to get move then a few steps in. It doesnt take much for him to get Momentum.
Originally posted by Galan007
You cannot 'reach' something infinite. Wally's mass simply approaches infinity (which still doesn't make sense, as infinity is not some fixed variable.) Anyhow, it should've just been called an 'increasing mass punch' - because drastically increasing his mass (to something akin to that of a white dwarf star,) is all Wally is really doing.
Speed Force.
Infinity isn't a fixed variable but somehow he can approach it. I don't know how, but the Speed Force defies plenty laws of physics.
Apparently he can approach Infinity, as he was doing it on panel. Yet he held back etc.
Blame the comic, not me.
*shrugs*
Body mass that is approaching Infinity should stop the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Can flash really run half way around the world in a few seconds? A Minute would be more understandable and Juggs would be able to get move then a few steps in. It doesnt take much for him to get Momentum.
Something like circling the Earth in a second is effortless to the Flash.
He can do that, while running on his hands, backwards, while asleep. His hands can also be broken and he could still do it. He could even blind folded. He could even be deaf. He could even have a serious case, of indigestion. He could even be throwing up the entire time he does it.
I think I've run out of stupid scenarios, and I think you get my point.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI know that Flash's mass can 'approach' infinity (as he's done so, on panel) - but the SF isn't the answer to this. Characters like Supreme, and more recently, Superman (to name a few) have reached 'near infinite mass', at speeds approaching c - and they are not tied to the SF whatsoever. What the SF is responsible for is Wally's human body not vaporizing at said speeds.
Speed Force.Infinity isn't a fixed variable but somehow he can approach it. I don't know how, but the Speed Force defies plenty laws of physics.
Apparently he can approach Infinity, as he was doing it on panel. Yet he held back etc.
Blame the comic, not me.
Anywho, the idea that one can 'reach' something infinite, is an oxymoron. It's like saying "I can run to the ends of infinity" or somesuch. Meh.
Originally posted by Galan007
I know that Flash's mass can 'approach' infinity (as he's done so, on panel) - but the SF isn't the answer to this. Characters like Supreme, and more recently, Superman (to name a few) have reached 'near infinite mass', at speeds approaching c - and they are not tied to the SF whatsoever. What the SF is responsible for is Wally's human body not vaporizing at said speeds.Anywho, the idea that one can 'reach' something infinite, is an oxymoron. It's like saying "I can run to the ends of infinity" or somesuch. Meh.
I don't recall it being stated that their body mass was reaching Infinity etc. just that their mass was increasing etc.
I know the apparent logic behind it, but Wally is apparently approaching Infinity. As little sense as that makes, at the context it was used it seems that he was going to reach Infinite Mass.