Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHuh?
I don't recall it being stated that their body mass was reaching Infinity etc. just that their mass was increasing etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusNever did though. On panel, Wally hit with the force 'white dwarf star'. That is decisively sub-infinite.
As little sense as that makes, at the context it was used it seems that he was going to reach Infinite Mass.
Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?
Referring to Superman etc.
Originally posted by Galan007
Never did though. On panel, Wally hit the Martian with the force 'white dwarf star'. That is decisively sub-infinite.
When did it say he hit the Martian with the force of a White Dwarf Star?
It never said how much force he used from what I remember. He simply said his mass was approaching Infinity.
Also, it seems as if some people take it, as that being his limit.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIt wasn't outright stated that Superman's mass was approaching infinite (just that his mass was increasing) - but we can logically assume such. Why? Because it was stated that the mass of both Supreme and Flash were approaching infinite, at speeds just under c (which is the speed Superman was moving.) So...
Referring to Superman etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI can't remember the exact issue, but it was stated.
When did it say he hit the Martian with the force of a White Dwarf Star?
Originally posted by Galan007
It wasn't outright stated that Superman's mass was approaching infinite (just that his mass was increasing) - but we can logically assume such. Why? Because it was stated that the mass of both Supreme and Flash were approaching infinite, at speeds just under c (which is the speed Superman was moving.) So...
It said his mass increased, not that it was approaching Infinity. Completely different levels of mass.
Hence why I said, the Speed Force is obviously playing a key factor in different areas.
Originally posted by Galan007
I can't remember the exact issue, but it was stated.
It was stated a while back. A completely different instance from the White Martian incident.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusI see that you did not understand the point of my post. At all.
It said his mass increased, not that it was approaching Infinity. Completely different levels of mass.Hence why I said, the Speed Force is obviously playing a key factor in different areas.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYeah, the Martian (Zum) instance was even lesser. When Flash IMP'd him in that instance, Zum just reached escape velocity. I've seen several characters hit/throw that hard.
It was stated a while back. A completely different instance from the White Martian incident.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
War hulk stopped him but didn't push him back just threw him away
Originally posted by Galan007
Never did though. On panel, Wally hit with the force 'white dwarf star'. That is decisively sub-infinite.
Originally posted by NewjakOh noes... not a law of physics!!! Surely Flash could never defy one of those!
There's no reason to believe Flash could ever reach infinite to begin with. Since he's never done it, and someone approaching infinite will never reach infinite to begin with because, get this one, something would already have to be infinite to ever actually reach infinite.I mean you can approach infinite just by running doesn't mean you'll ever get there. 😉
Going by what you've stated, the same should hold true for going faster than the speed of light, running faster than instantaneous travel, running through time forwards and backwards, moving people at speeds approaching C without damaging them, etc, etc.
Flash picks and chooses the physics that apply to him at any one moment.
Regardless, Flash can achieve any mass he wishes. Seeing as it is possible to eventually achieve a non-magical amount of force that can stop the Juggernaut (War Hulk), there's no reason there shouldn't be an eventual number that can overcome Cain.
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Physics question:
The IMP is based around the idea that as an object's speed approaches C, his mass increases accordingly. At C and > C speeds, which Flash can achieve, wouldn't he then have access to infinite mass? I thought that one "achieved" infinite mass if they got infinitely close to C- obviously impossible. If you can run faster than C though, wouldn't that then give you access to infinite mass?
Genuine question.
I always figured the reason that Flash didn't strike with infinite mass- only with the mass of a white dwarf star or somesuch- was the same reason that he can ignore IMP's when he picks up people while running. Speed Force allows Flash to vary any physics affecting him at any one point.
One normally can't approach infinity, it's true. But Flash can. He can run faster than C, after all.
Correct whatever of this is wrong... this was just my understanding.
the IMP is a misnomer.
its hits with nowhere near the mass of a white dwarf. if it did, the planet Flash stands on would be absorbed into his fist.
also, pretty much it would be a 1hit kill or KO against virtually anyone...considering punching with the mass of a white star concentrated in the space of a fist would be equivalent to over a million times more powerful than superman's hardest punch
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Physics question:The IMP is based around the idea that as an object's speed approaches C, his mass increases accordingly. At C and > C speeds, which Flash can achieve, wouldn't he then have access to infinite mass? I thought that one "achieved" infinite mass if they got infinitely close to C- obviously impossible. If you can run faster than C though, wouldn't that then give you access to infinite mass?
In the real world, no object that has mass can ever go light speed. That's because as you approach c, mass approaches infinity. In order to deal with that much mass, the energy needed to propel you to those speeds basically does hit infinity. So that IRL an object with mass can't ever hit light speed. I think the equation breaks down for something FTL though, because thats our universe's "speed limit" if you will. Nothing can go faster than light. Nor do they have models for it. So that equation I mentioned wouldn't deal well with such speeds.
Clearly not the case in the comic world, I know. If Flash hits c, in theory he should be packing infinite mass. But, that's never ever been stated. And Flash has several instances of him fighting at or beyond light speed (his battle with Zoom, for instance, where he was multiple times light speed - if his punches were carrying infinite mass, and Zoom's durability is nearly human...he'd have gotten his face caved in.)
Originally posted by Enyalusyep...if flash's punches were carrying infinite mass...even superman's face would cave in by one punch
(his battle with Zoom, for instance, where he was multiple times light speed - if his punches were carrying infinite mass, and Zoom's durability is nearly human...he'd have gotten his face caved in.)
on a side note...I believe black hole sucks in things at faster than light speed (hence light can't escape, therefore it being 'black' hole)
Originally posted by Enyalus
Clearly not the case in the comic world, I know. If Flash hits c, in theory he should be packing infinite mass. But, that's never ever been stated. And Flash has several instances of him fighting at or beyond light speed (his battle with Zoom, for instance, where he was multiple times light speed - if his punches were carrying infinite mass, and Zoom's durability is nearly human...he'd have gotten his face caved in.)
Originally posted by Soljer
Not true. As we've seen in the past, the speed force allows the Flash to utilize and ignore whatever laws of physics he pleases.If he wants to go near-light without the extra mass, he can. If he'd rather allow his mass to approach the infinite in order to deliver a punch, he can.
If he wants to ignore time dilation and actually break the light barrier, he can, if he'd rather utilize that time dilation to make the tiny fraction of a microsecond enough time to evacuate the city, he can do that too.
The speedforce is a fix-all.
Soljer's more concise than I am.
Originally posted by Mindset
If a spaceship has infinite mass, wouldn't the fuel have infinite mass?
Originally posted by Starscream M
on a side note...I believe black hole sucks in things at faster than light speed (hence light can't escape, therefore it being 'black' hole)
Originally posted by EnyalusSo Gravity > Light Speed?
Sure but, why would a ship have infinite mass?Not exactly. The gravitational field is so powerful that the escape velocity is above c, hence why light can't escape. So, just like the escape velocity for Earth is just under 7 miles per second, the black hole has so much more mass and is so much denser than the Earth that its escape velocity is above 300,000 mps.